Karen(paid analyst) on MSNBC just made a good point. The democratic base panics too much from

[mfcorey1]

droppings on a daily base from the right and some left. The daily deluge of negative polls are simply to generate that panic. Stop believing all that junk and move forward. When those posts pop up here, check to see how often that person has a negative post and see if it is more about the panic they can create than the information they are sharing.

OBAMA 2012

[MineralMan]

1. No fooling. Some seem to be looking for every negative news

item they can find. That's not a good strategy, it seems to me, unless you're hoping for the Republicans to gain even more ground.

[Whiskeytide]

10. That's why it is so counterproductive to threaten to abandon the party...

You have dems here unintentionally doing EXACTLY what Sean O'Limbeck intentionally does every day - trying to fracture, sully and tar the democratic party. Bitch all you want - I mean, it used to be a free country, right?. I'll bitch too. I have no problem with we, the people, pointing out when we're disappointed in a dem leader - and I'm often as disappointed as the next person. But if you drop out of the dem party because you're unhappy about issues 23 and 571-A, and Frankenstein gets elected, you forfeit your right to bitch further, IMHO.

[madfloridian]

2. Not panic. Anger. About time.

Would that be Karen Finney, Dean's voice as well? I notice he does not speak much for himself anymore.

It is not panic, it is true anger at having no party to stand for us.

[teddy51]

3. It's not polls that I find troubling, it's the stupid American voter and the fact

that the country is controlled (80%) by voting machines that are not secure. I find it ludicrous that we allow voting machines that do not provide a paper trail.

[Bluenorthwest]

11. Elections are run by the States...

My State does not allow machine voting and provides a huge paper trail. You should work on your State to do something similar, but it is only those who live in a State who can change those methods.

[teddy51]

13. California has delt with it. They banned e-vote machines and sued

Diebold (which was settled) for something like 1.6 million I believe. Now if the other States would follow suit, we might have a safe vote come 2012.

[Bluenorthwest]

15. Well let me tell you a story from before they ever used them in

CA. Each and every registered voter was sent notices of invitation to use and comment on the possible use of 'e-voting' machines. I lived there then. Late 90's. I called everyone I knew to get them to attend one. Each and every one of them refused. One kind of mocked me for caring. So I went to the event in my area, one of the most populated zip codes in the US and there were 2 people attending other than myself. We all raged against the machines, me and two old ladies.
Flash forward to election 2000 aftermath. Suddenly, the very people I tried to organize against the e voting were calling me furious that 'this was done without our permission' and all this rot.
Never should have let that happen, CA. Better late than never. But still.

[sufrommich]

4. Yep. nt

[Fumesucker]

5. Maybe if we hadn't had so many alarms that turned out to be true?

According to a thread on GD right now Republicans are already starting to paint Obama as wanting to cut Medicare, just as many here predicted when Obama offered up that program as part of his "grand bargain".

Why Obama would give the Republicans this weapon to use against him in return for absolutely nothing I have no clue, it was roughly as predictable as the results of dropping an anvil on your bare foot.

[HappyMe]

6. When there is some good news, it drops like a rock.

Or gets shredded looking (almost hoping) for some of the beloved 'bad'.

[madfloridian]

7. Cutting Soc. Sec. Medicare, public education.....not "droppings"...facts.

And I hate being talked down to like I am an idiot child.

It is very obvious how things are going, and the pretense and denial is getting scary.

[aSpeckofDust]

8. Wait, the base? No. The Media. The base isn't beating that drum 24/7, the Media is.

Panic and fear get viewers, so they will continue to beat that drum.

[vi5]

9. I could care less about the polls....

What upsets and angers me on a daily basis are not polls showing support for Obama and the Dems dropping. I believe that, because what DOES upset and anger me on a daily basis are what Obama and (most) of the Dems do and say on a daily basis.

If they were doing the right thing and the polls were dropping I'd be worried and upset But I can relate to the polls dropping because we (and I use "we" loosely) are not giving the people anything to clearly and vigorously support Dems because of. I believe polls are dropping, because I believe that "Republican policies but with the stuff you sort of like instead" is not a winning slogan for any political party.

[Bluenorthwest]

12. She made the wise crack she was paid to make, indeed.

Polls are for saps, especially electoral polls this far out. But a paid shill never has a good point, just a paid for bit of chatter. Never forget that. More badmouthing of Democratic voters. Just not a good way to win a contentious election cycle if you ask me. The ultra low turn out in the NY 9th should give all the snark 'n remark vendors pause. The mean, nasty, sarcastic tactics are a huge turn off, and people stay home. It breeds apathy.
We lost two seats this week because Democrats did not do enough, not because they were too engaged. They stayed home. In droves. That is not what panic does that is what apathy does.

[mfcorey1]

14. That one ignores what the others are paid to do like those on Moaning Joe. She calls it as she

sees it. I have a lot of respect for her debate.

[Bluenorthwest]

16. Yeah, I don't watch your Joe, or any of that stuff really

Because of people like her, who can look at abysmal turnout in this week's elections, Democratic turn out, and call that 'panic' rather than apathy. People are not bothering to vote, and then they turn on the TV to be told they are too bothered, too engaged? How does it help?
Again, I think all the sarcastic and mean spirited bullshit needs to stop, all the finger pointing at voters needs to cease. We lost two seats this week as that attitude has ruled for a while now, how many do you want to lose just to get jollies by criticizing the very people who hold the keys to our victory? 'Oh they panic, they want ponies, blah, blah' and you got 2010 for that, and again this week.
I will not sit by and let petty tongued snark merchants destroy our chances for their own sport and profit. It has to stop. Characterizing our own voters is not debate. It is just a mistake.