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xoom (120 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-15-11 07:59 AM Original message |
Cherokee Indians: We are free to oust blacks |
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Nye Bevan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-15-11 08:02 AM Response to Original message |
1. Disgusting. They should lose their tribal recognition |
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xoom (120 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-15-11 08:14 AM Response to Reply #1 |
2. I agree. |
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Liberal_Stalwart71 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-16-11 11:25 AM Response to Reply #2 |
140. On edit: the OP's title of the thread is misleading!! |
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Freddie Stubbs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-15-11 08:26 AM Response to Reply #1 |
12. What part of tribal sovereignty do you not understand? |
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Nye Bevan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-15-11 08:55 AM Response to Reply #12 |
22. Agreed, until they start violating the civil rights of racial minority groups. |
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catbyte (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-15-11 09:11 AM Response to Reply #22 |
31. What's your point? Usually to be a tribal member you have to be blood. This is unique |
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mac56 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-15-11 09:35 AM Response to Reply #31 |
41. +1 |
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glinda (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-15-11 09:47 AM Response to Reply #31 |
44. Unique since their records are the worst unless there are some in a Church somewhere. For that |
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yellerpup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-16-11 08:49 AM Response to Reply #44 |
132. It is a requirement to prove your lineage |
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glinda (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-16-11 02:33 PM Response to Reply #132 |
144. Perhaps more recently. Not the case for many years. Yes there was intermarrying. Yes some Cherokee |
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yellerpup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-16-11 04:04 PM Response to Reply #44 |
147. Actually, there are better records kept for Native Americans |
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ProgressiveProfessor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-15-11 10:17 AM Response to Reply #31 |
52. Per some reports many of those excluded are of mixed blood |
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tblue37 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-15-11 07:11 PM Response to Reply #31 |
102. Since Blacks, especially runaway slaves, often were taken in by |
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JuniperLea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-15-11 07:16 PM Response to Reply #22 |
103. Is it their civil right? |
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Bandit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-15-11 10:18 AM Response to Reply #12 |
53. They are each and every one of them American citizens |
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Freddie Stubbs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-15-11 10:57 AM Response to Reply #53 |
58. So, you think that every American citizen should be entitled to be a member of the Cherokee Nation? |
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Bandit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-15-11 11:08 AM Response to Reply #58 |
62. I think every American citizen should be treated equally, don't you? |
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mac56 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-15-11 11:21 AM Response to Reply #62 |
64. Sooo.... I can just wander in, claim to be a tribal member |
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Bandit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-15-11 12:14 PM Response to Reply #64 |
75. You are talking about different citizenship than I am.. |
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mac56 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-15-11 09:28 PM Response to Reply #75 |
109. You're being confusing, and I can't tell if it's on purpose. |
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Bandit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-16-11 11:45 AM Response to Reply #109 |
142. I think you are the one being deliberately obtuse here. |
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mac56 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-16-11 04:15 PM Response to Reply #142 |
148. Okay, tell me EXACTLY what you mean by |
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Freddie Stubbs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-15-11 01:18 PM Response to Reply #62 |
79. Of course not |
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JuniperLea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-15-11 07:17 PM Response to Reply #58 |
104. Bingo... |
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MH1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-15-11 11:46 AM Response to Reply #12 |
67. It's an 1866 treaty between Cherokee Nation and the U.S. |
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nomb (884 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-15-11 05:01 PM Response to Reply #67 |
85. Can't have these pesky Indians ignoring their treaty obligations now can we? |
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MH1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-16-11 11:25 AM Response to Reply #85 |
141. can't think about the people affected, now can we? |
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H2O Man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-15-11 08:57 AM Response to Reply #1 |
24. "Tribal recognition" |
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glinda (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-16-11 02:36 PM Response to Reply #24 |
145. Not true for all members. |
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H2O Man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-16-11 09:53 PM Response to Reply #145 |
153. As noted by Vine Deloria, Jr., |
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glinda (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-17-11 02:39 PM Response to Reply #153 |
157. Well versed in his facts. Polemical in his publications. |
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H2O Man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-17-11 07:42 PM Response to Reply #157 |
158. Sure. |
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glinda (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-18-11 12:07 AM Response to Reply #158 |
160. You assume I or members of my family are white, eh? |
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H2O Man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-18-11 12:19 AM Response to Reply #160 |
161. No, |
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glinda (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-18-11 10:51 PM Response to Reply #161 |
162. Hmmmm. We just disagree on how we view Vine, I think. |
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hobbit709 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-15-11 08:16 AM Response to Original message |
3. I wonder what's behind this decision. |
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Freddie Stubbs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-15-11 08:21 AM Response to Reply #3 |
6. Money |
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hobbit709 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-15-11 08:23 AM Response to Reply #6 |
9. Pretty much what I figured. |
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Major Nikon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-15-11 05:24 PM Response to Reply #6 |
93. Not really, but the real reason is not much better |
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rosesaylavee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-15-11 08:24 AM Response to Reply #3 |
10. There is an election coming up |
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Coyote_Bandit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-15-11 08:29 AM Response to Reply #10 |
13. No |
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rosesaylavee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-15-11 09:02 AM Response to Reply #13 |
28. That's good to know... |
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glinda (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-15-11 09:47 AM Response to Reply #3 |
45. Jobs & power. |
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RC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-15-11 10:16 AM Response to Reply #3 |
51. Control. Leadership of the tribe = money. |
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nomb (884 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-15-11 05:02 PM Response to Reply #3 |
86. Tribal identity? |
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Selatius (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-15-11 07:07 PM Response to Reply #3 |
100. With casinos sprouting up all over reservation lands, no black members = less money to split with nt |
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Art_from_Ark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-15-11 11:33 PM Response to Reply #100 |
119. Unlike some other Indians, the Cherokees in Oklahoma |
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YellowRubberDuckie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-16-11 05:37 PM Response to Reply #119 |
150. Cherokees do not corner the market on casinos in Oklahoma. |
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LWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-15-11 08:17 AM Response to Original message |
4. While I don't agree with their decision, |
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catbyte (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-15-11 08:19 AM Response to Original message |
5. As an Indian, I've got mixed feelings about what the Cherokees have done. |
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Coyote_Bandit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-15-11 08:34 AM Response to Reply #5 |
15. The freedmen that are being kicked out of the tribe |
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mac56 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-15-11 08:35 AM Response to Reply #15 |
17. +1 |
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catbyte (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-15-11 09:09 AM Response to Reply #15 |
30. I thought so. Do you know how many people? I didn't see in the article. |
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Coyote_Bandit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-15-11 04:52 PM Response to Reply #30 |
84. The news coverage I've seen in Oklahoma |
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glinda (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-15-11 09:49 AM Response to Reply #15 |
46. From the South? Given allotments thus becoming "Indian"? |
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Warpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-15-11 10:05 AM Response to Reply #15 |
49. Thanks. Kicking their kin out of the tribe because |
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ProgressiveProfessor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-15-11 10:20 AM Response to Reply #15 |
54. Are you that sure about it? |
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Coyote_Bandit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-15-11 04:42 PM Response to Reply #54 |
83. Ummmm......Yeah, I Am |
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Desertrose (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-15-11 05:42 PM Response to Reply #83 |
96. Thanks for this Coyote_Bandit. |
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ProgressiveProfessor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-15-11 07:05 PM Response to Reply #83 |
99. Got it |
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SwampG8r (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-15-11 11:32 PM Response to Reply #83 |
118. i am a card carrying member of the eastern band |
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yellerpup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-16-11 08:29 AM Response to Reply #83 |
130. Wado (thanks) for getting this right. |
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OneGrassRoot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-15-11 08:21 AM Response to Original message |
7. I never knew of this history: |
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quinnox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-15-11 08:23 AM Response to Original message |
8. After reading the news story I think they have this right |
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Marrah_G (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-15-11 08:25 AM Response to Original message |
11. It all comes down to money |
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mac56 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-15-11 08:32 AM Response to Original message |
14. Misleading title. |
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xoom (120 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-15-11 08:35 AM Response to Reply #14 |
16. Just using the title MSNBC used. |
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mac56 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-15-11 08:35 AM Response to Reply #16 |
18. You did read it before you posted it, right? |
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xoom (120 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-15-11 08:37 AM Response to Reply #18 |
20. Yes. But like I said, I am using the same title. |
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Nye Bevan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-15-11 08:58 AM Response to Reply #14 |
25. People losing their citizenship because they happen to be descended from slaves? |
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mac56 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-15-11 09:02 AM Response to Reply #25 |
29. No. People not being included as tribal members |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-15-11 09:22 AM Response to Reply #29 |
37. Shocking on DU |
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mac56 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-15-11 09:34 AM Response to Reply #37 |
39. False equivalency. |
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pennylane100 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-15-11 10:44 AM Response to Reply #37 |
56. Sadly the sentiments sometimes expressed here |
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glinda (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-15-11 09:50 AM Response to Reply #29 |
47. There are tons of members who cannot prove theirs unfortunately. |
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bluestate10 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-17-11 07:57 PM Response to Reply #29 |
159. There is no such thing as "rocket surgery", there is rocket maintenance. |
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Xithras (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-15-11 11:18 AM Response to Reply #14 |
63. Yes, and it's considered a human rights violation nowadays |
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SwampG8r (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-15-11 11:35 PM Response to Reply #63 |
120. we are not seated at the UN |
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Xithras (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-16-11 11:54 AM Response to Reply #120 |
143. Wrong. |
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SwampG8r (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-17-11 09:31 AM Response to Reply #143 |
155. well i am only a member |
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RegieRocker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-15-11 08:37 AM Response to Original message |
19. The mental disease continues to spread..... |
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mac56 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-15-11 08:44 AM Response to Original message |
21. Honest to god, people. Chill. |
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H2O Man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-15-11 08:56 AM Response to Reply #21 |
23. Yes and no. |
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Nye Bevan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-15-11 09:00 AM Response to Reply #23 |
26. Like school segregation was an "internal matter" for Alabama (nt) |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-15-11 09:01 AM Response to Reply #26 |
27. Apartheid and S. Africa is another example. nt |
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catbyte (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-15-11 09:13 AM Response to Reply #27 |
32. YOU equate aparteid with THIS?? REALLY??? Wow. |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-15-11 09:18 AM Response to Reply #32 |
34. Inasmuch as it was an "internal manner" dealing with denying benefits based on race |
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Nye Bevan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-15-11 09:19 AM Response to Reply #32 |
35. Blacks are losing their right to vote. It's a good comparison (nt) |
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H2O Man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-15-11 09:40 AM Response to Reply #27 |
43. I can appreciate |
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yellerpup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-16-11 08:53 AM Response to Reply #27 |
133. Indian Territory was set up as a place where all survivors |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-15-11 09:21 AM Response to Reply #21 |
36. There's something ironic however about their being racist about it |
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pipi_k (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-15-11 09:39 AM Response to Reply #36 |
42. Well you don't know for a fact |
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Nye Bevan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-15-11 09:55 AM Response to Reply #42 |
48. So it's OK to take the vote away from blacks as long as you are not judging them as "inferior" (nt) |
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pipi_k (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-15-11 11:56 AM Response to Reply #48 |
69. Since when is it considered to be judging someone |
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Nye Bevan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-15-11 12:14 PM Response to Reply #69 |
74. Taking away people's right to vote because they don't "share your bloodline"? |
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pipi_k (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-15-11 12:18 PM Response to Reply #74 |
77. Yep... |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-15-11 04:01 PM Response to Reply #77 |
81. Where does the bloodline end, by the way? |
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nomb (884 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-15-11 05:04 PM Response to Reply #48 |
87. The cutoff is blood, not skin color. Blacks will remain. Non-Cherokee Nation Blood will not. |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-15-11 03:59 PM Response to Reply #42 |
80. You do not share our blood so you are kicked out? |
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nomb (884 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-15-11 05:09 PM Response to Reply #80 |
90. So then, pray tell, what makes a Cherokee, Apache, Eskimo or Inuit? |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-15-11 07:10 PM Response to Reply #90 |
101. Don't know - where is the limit? |
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Nye Bevan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-15-11 09:16 AM Response to Original message |
33. This is like Massachusetts restricting citizenship to descendents of the Mayflower passengers (nt) |
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mac56 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-15-11 09:34 AM Response to Reply #33 |
40. False equivalency. (nt) |
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pipi_k (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-15-11 09:33 AM Response to Original message |
38. I agree...from the article... |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-15-11 10:07 AM Response to Reply #38 |
50. They do have that right. But they should also uphold their treaties. |
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JustAnotherGen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-15-11 10:33 AM Response to Reply #50 |
55. I'd agree with that |
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pipi_k (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-15-11 12:02 PM Response to Reply #50 |
70. "Uphold their treaties" ??? |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-15-11 12:08 PM Response to Reply #70 |
71. Yes. They're stripping people of their citizenship given to them by a treaty. |
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pipi_k (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-15-11 12:17 PM Response to Reply #71 |
76. Never said it was right... |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-15-11 12:18 PM Response to Reply #76 |
78. Well, that's an interesting bar you set there n/t |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-15-11 12:09 PM Response to Reply #70 |
72. They're also reconsidering this move. |
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nomb (884 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-15-11 05:06 PM Response to Reply #70 |
88. If the US enforced just existing treaties, Indians would be wealthy landowners found everywhere. |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-15-11 06:58 PM Response to Reply #88 |
98. Yes, they would. Including the descendents of the slaves they owned n/t |
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Coyote_Bandit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-15-11 05:10 PM Response to Reply #50 |
91. This issue has a loooooong history |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-15-11 06:57 PM Response to Reply #91 |
97. I know the matter isn't a simple one. I wouldn't be surprised to learn |
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Coyote_Bandit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-15-11 07:40 PM Response to Reply #97 |
105. And the US government may well have |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-15-11 07:46 PM Response to Reply #105 |
106. I just don't agree. |
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Coyote_Bandit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-15-11 09:24 PM Response to Reply #106 |
108. I guess I don't view the decision as |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-15-11 09:36 PM Response to Reply #108 |
112. Well, I won't point it out because for me it doesn't matter. |
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Coyote_Bandit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-15-11 10:39 PM Response to Reply #112 |
114. Slavery most certainly was wrong |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-16-11 08:34 AM Response to Reply #114 |
131. Both sides are descendants of peoples who were grievously wronged. |
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Coyote_Bandit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-16-11 09:22 AM Response to Reply #131 |
134. That's the thing |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-16-11 05:16 PM Response to Reply #134 |
149. That the greater shame lies with American settlers |
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onpatrol98 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-15-11 11:37 AM Response to Reply #38 |
65. Let me get this straight... |
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pipi_k (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-15-11 12:10 PM Response to Reply #65 |
73. Do you have Cherokee blood? |
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onpatrol98 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-15-11 04:06 PM Response to Reply #73 |
82. That's not quite the same. |
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nomb (884 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-15-11 05:07 PM Response to Reply #65 |
89. government treaties DO NOT protect the Cherokee nation. They enslaved it. |
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onpatrol98 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-15-11 08:15 PM Response to Reply #89 |
107. Okay...I can see that. |
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cherokeeprogressive (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-15-11 11:50 PM Response to Reply #65 |
123. Maybe you should learn a little about the Treaty of New Echota. |
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onpatrol98 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-16-11 11:55 PM Response to Reply #123 |
154. Perhaps you're right... |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-15-11 10:53 AM Response to Original message |
57. So much for the PC assertion that only us "evil white people" can be racist. |
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Luciferous (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-15-11 11:06 AM Response to Reply #57 |
61. Heh, my Mexican sister-in-law told me I wouldn't like living in Dallas because |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-15-11 11:43 AM Response to Reply #61 |
66. She said WHAAAA??? |
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dembotoz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-15-11 10:59 AM Response to Original message |
59. leaves a bad taste--I understand the desire to undo a treaty provision |
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JustAnotherGen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-15-11 10:59 AM Response to Original message |
60. Reading it again |
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In Jest (35 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-15-11 11:49 AM Response to Original message |
68. Very sad. |
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McCamy Taylor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-15-11 05:10 PM Response to Original message |
92. And we are free to boycott Cherokee casinos. And there are a lot of them. |
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Major Nikon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-15-11 05:30 PM Response to Reply #92 |
94. The truly ironic part is... |
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Hippo_Tron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-15-11 05:33 PM Response to Original message |
95. Former President Bush was asked about this matter |
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white_wolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-15-11 09:29 PM Response to Original message |
110. How very white of them. They've been hanging out with us too long. |
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liberalhistorian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-15-11 09:34 PM Response to Original message |
111. They have tribal sovereignty under the law. They, |
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Nye Bevan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-15-11 10:22 PM Response to Reply #111 |
113. OK. And South Africa was a sovereign nation, perfectly within its rights to maintain apartheid. |
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mac56 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-15-11 11:05 PM Response to Reply #113 |
115. False. Equivalency. |
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jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-15-11 11:48 PM Response to Reply #113 |
122. You are missing a distinction |
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mac56 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-16-11 06:01 AM Response to Reply #122 |
124. +1 |
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Nye Bevan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-16-11 06:22 AM Response to Reply #122 |
125. Like in the 1930s, Germany decided that Jewish people could not be citizens. |
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mac56 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-16-11 06:38 AM Response to Reply #125 |
126. Godwin's Law Of Nazi Analogies. |
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Nye Bevan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-16-11 07:04 AM Response to Reply #126 |
128. Why are you bringing up the Holocaust? |
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mac56 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-16-11 08:19 AM Response to Reply #128 |
129. Disingenuous. |
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jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-16-11 09:46 AM Response to Reply #125 |
137. ...and whom were rendered stateless, which is not the case here |
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Liberal_Stalwart71 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-15-11 11:07 PM Response to Original message |
116. How is that possible? Nearly one-half of all black Americans have Cherokee somewhere in their |
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cherokeeprogressive (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-15-11 11:21 PM Response to Reply #116 |
117. And all they have to do is prove it. |
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ecstatic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-16-11 06:44 AM Response to Reply #117 |
127. How would one go about proving that, especially considering the past... |
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Coyote_Bandit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-16-11 09:35 AM Response to Reply #127 |
136. Here ya go |
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Veruca Salt (846 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-16-11 09:23 AM Response to Reply #117 |
135. +1 |
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SwampG8r (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-15-11 11:40 PM Response to Original message |
121. i am a member of the eastern band in north carolina |
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Voltaires_Ghost (1 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-16-11 09:50 AM Response to Original message |
138. Cherokee sovereignty? |
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mac56 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-16-11 09:57 AM Response to Reply #138 |
139. +1 |
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Zookeeper (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-16-11 08:22 PM Response to Reply #138 |
152. +1. n/t |
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yellerpup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-17-11 10:04 AM Response to Reply #138 |
156. Very good post. |
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Politicalboi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-16-11 03:07 PM Response to Original message |
146. Here's what happened |
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YellowRubberDuckie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-16-11 05:41 PM Response to Original message |
151. I have a hard time listening to talk about Native Americans. |
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