A Map of North America after the breakup of the United States

[jg10003]

[livetohike]

1. Welcome to DU!

:hi: Thanks for the map :-).

[RKP5637]

2. Just keep me north of the New Christen'doom' line. n/t

[Literate Dragon]

3. Interesting, but . . .

given the history of the only time states seceded from the U.S., I'm going to suggest that the splintering depicted here may not be altogether likely. As the seceding Southern states quickly abandoned their independence and formed a new confederacy, so I suspect that many of these regional groupings would find common ground. Specifically, I would anticipate that Pacific, the Federation of Northern States, Metropolia, Atlantica, and Hawaii would probably join together, and might even be joined by Mountainland and Midland, or at least parts thereof.

[kctim]

10. Missouri would NOT join that group

[The Genealogist]

54. Yes, Missouri would have to be broken up

Southwest Missouri, at least, would have to be strapped onto New Christiandom. Also not sure how central PA would like being grouped in where it is, and I think many parts of New York would also object to their placement. But, it is a fun map, just the same.

[Owlet]

51. Never. We Atlanticans..(Atlanticarians? )...

...will never give up our independence. We are at war with Metropolia. We have always been at war with Metropolia.

Cool map, tho I don't really feel competent to comment on it's political subdivisions. I seem to rememeber a few years back, there was a book: something like "the Seven Nations of North America" that had a similar theme. anyone else recall that, or am I just hallucinating again. It happens when I over-indulge in bread-and-butter pickles.

[StatGirl]

85. The Nine Nations of North America

Ooops, I should have read downthread first.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Nine_Nations_of_North_America

[jwirr]

81. This map is based on regional interests. I think it is very likely as

we move further into oil depletion and climate change and especially if the federal government fails to raise taxes to pay for services. I live in the Minnesota area and I do not think it would take all that much to start this movement. Many of us already joke about seceding and joining Canada.

[kentauros]

4. "Mountianland"?

What's a "mountian"?

[MineralMan]

14. Mountianland is where Canadian Mounties go to retire. Warmer

climes, you see...yeah...that's the ticket.

[kentauros]

22. I wonder if Dudley Do-Right lives there...

:P

[MineralMan]

26. Oh, he retired to Montianland years ago.

He's started a big dude ranch for other Mounties, where they all sit around the table in the evening and sing the Indian Love Song, led by Nelson Eddy, the social director.

[kentauros]

29. So, what happened to Snidely Whiplash and Nell?

Keep it up, you :7

[MineralMan]

40. Well, that's a story few people know. After Dudley continued to

be more interested in his horse than in Nell, she finally took off with Snidely. It's only a rumor, but I understand there are a couple of generations of offspring from that pairing, but they live in Nunavut now, in a roadless area, so nobody's seen them for years. Turns out that Snidely was really a nice guy. He just couldn't stand Dudley.

[hifiguy]

41. Nell married Dudley's late horse

Snidely went into Repuke politics but they bounced him for not being mean and crazy enough.

[MineralMan]

44. Well, SOME people believe that, but it's just a cover story for

the real facts.

[Tesha]

106. Snidely got elected Vice President (under an assumed name). (NT)

[Bandit]

45. I heard those Canadian mounties were real "husky fuckers"

:rofl:

[MineralMan]

48. You go too far, sir.

Truly. Severe punishment is in store... :rofl:

[11 Bravo]

82. Indeed. As soon as I quit laughing, I shall be back to soundly chastise that rascal!

[jg10003]

15. oops

my bad, will correct ASAP.

[kentauros]

24. Okay.

I didn't know it was your graphic, or just something found online.

[kctim]

5. I could live with that.

[mainegreen]

6. Atlantica? Screw that! We're hooking up with Nova Scotia!

We'll form SeafoodTopiaLand

[Maine_Nurse]

93. Nah, Vermont, northern NH, and Maine north of Augusta will join up, but not with Canada...

as we all have too many guns to put up with their laws. We'll be Seas, Trees, and Blueberries.

[Donnachaidh]

101. as Ben Franklin wanted Nova Scotia to be a state -- I love that idea

:bounce:

[ThomWV]

7. New Christendome is depicted far too small - and its a crying shame.

By the way, if the entire economy collapsed it would take at least a year for it to be noticed in most of West Virginia. Welcome to our world.

[Warpy]

16. Right, it should go all the way up the Moron Corridor

from Texas to N. Dakota. Arizona, Utah and NM simply don't fit; the first are Mormon and the latter is heavily Roman Catholic.

This map was made by a very ignorant person.

[aquart]

8. Aww, the Christians took the oil. That should be fun.

[toddwv]

55. Eh, the NNATO (Northern North America Treaty Organization) of Pacifica, FONS, Atlantica, Metropolia

can just make sure that none of that Canadian oil (our #1 supplier) makes it's way into the hands of the enemy.

[kiranon]

79. But not the water.

[notadmblnd]

9. I hope the top 6 countries hurry and get a border fence up

to protect against illegal immigration to the north.

[MineralMan]

11. Mountianland? I though Mounties were a Canadian deal.

Eh?

[midnight]

12. Who's idea is this? And for those in the Federation of Northern States, what does this mean?

[geardaddy]

89. That means we'll be the new fresh water mogul

They should rename it "The Democratic Republic of Great Lakia"

[Warpy]

13. New Mexico would rather default to Mexico

than join the babbling dittoheads in Dixie or Arizona.

We won't charge truckers huge amounts to traverse the interstate highways, just enough to keep them repaired. Honest.

[alittlelark]

32. Yup. I grew up there andgo back 6-7 times a year

NO WAY it's part of chistdom.... the mountain people or Mexico, either would work.

[charlie and algernon]

17. No Cascadia?

[nadinbrzezinski]

18. Interesting take

:hi:

Thanks

[aggiesal]

19. New Christendom is really

Dumbfu¢kistan

[baldguy]

107. Or "Stupidia"

[aggiesal]

110. LOL n/t

[dtexdem]

20. No, the rest of New Christendom will kick out Utah for being Mormon.

And Cajun country in Louisiana will secede from New Christendom.

And northern and southern California will never stick together.

[MineralMan]

25. Nah...they'll just adopt the stuff they like, like that polygamy

stuff, where you get to marry several young girls. That'll be the norm in New Christendom.

[dana_b]

35. "And northern and southern California will never stick together."

um, we're together now.

Maybe Nevada should join up with Utah and make some sort of antithetical country. The Mormons in Utah who are against everything and Nevada that allows everything (except gay marriage).

[LynneSin]

49. I think that pacifica region would have at least 3 regions

Southern California, which would include parts of Nevada and Arizona. Then Northern California which also would include parts of Nevada (eastern Nevada would go elsewhere). Finally Oregon and Washington would be their own region.

[MineralMan]

21. Can we have an alligator-filled moat about three miles wide around

New Christendom, please? No bridges, either. Thanks a bunch.

[hifiguy]

50. And a lion-patrolled three mile safe zone

on the sane side of the moat. Guard towers staffed with Marines equipped with chain guns every few miles, too. But we will be very welcoming to refugees of the non-crazy and/or persecuted sort. :evilgrin:

[Broderick]

23. But I don't want to live in New Christendom!

pout.

[kentauros]

28. If you love high-school and college football,

I'm sure you could form an official religion based on them and remain in place }(

[Kalidurga]

30. Well at least you don't have Michigan and Ohio in your group,

I would trade for Iowa and Missouri, though.

[blue_onyx]

109. MI doesn't want you either

[monmouth]

27. I'm moving to Pacifica and be with those mooooovie stars. Oh yeah, look out Brad....n/t

[Xithras]

31. It's more likely that any new borders would be drawn on geographical and population lines.

The current state borders are a bit arbitrary and rarely correspond to defensible geography, areas of common economic interest, or to existing population centers. In contrast, if you look at Europe, you'll notice that there aren't many straight lines. European borders generally follow rivers, mountain ridge lines, or encompass populations that wanted to remain together.

When the United States eventually breaks up (and the odds of that are 100%...it may take 20 years or 2,000, but history shows us that no nation lasts forever in a given set of borders), I expect that whatever nations follow it will squabble over their borders until they end up with something that looks more like Europe, and less like the splits along state lines that you have proposed.

[d_b]

33. shit yeah

bring on canadian zone

[Turbineguy]

34. The Republic of South Florida

I guess that's for the Titty Bars that cater to the New Christendom customers.

[dembotoz]

84. new cuba?

[hifiguy]

36. Twenty years ago , I would have said this is crazy

I am now convinced it may well happen within 20-50 years.

[LynneSin]

37. I would include parts of Northeastern Virginia and Virginia Beach with Metropolia

These are some urban areas that would get destroyed in Christiandom. It's a shame we can't find a way to include the Research Triangle region of North Carolina - I hate to see all that good science go to waste.

[MedicalAdmin]

108. All that good science will just move.

Ideas are portable.

[Tesha]

38. You might enjoy "The Nine Nations of North America".

It's a more in-depth exploration of this thesis.

Tesha

[RZM]

57. Delete. Wrong spot n/t

[Posteritatis]

72. That's a really interesting book

Really interesting author, too; the other book of his I've read is on the ethics of human genetic engineering, which suggests he casts a wide net as far as his interests go.

[aSpeckofDust]

39. You guys are being trolled. This was a common post on 4chan's /new/. :3

[MineralMan]

47. Who's trollin' who? That's the real question.

[rhett o rick]

102. LoL, the idiot troll said "you guys", clearly meaning he is not one of us guys. nm

[jg10003]

87. You guys are being trolled

This map is my own creation. I am a liberal progressive independent who usually votes democratic (although I did once vote for Jacob Javits and a few other of the now extinct liberal republicans.) The map is meant only to be a warning of what could happen if we continue to allow ourselves to be divided by those who profit,politically or financially,by sowing national discord.

[LynneSin]

42. I'd also put St Louis into the Federation of Northern States

I mean the midlands wouldn't be uber religious but still not as liberal as the Northern States.

[bikebloke]

43. Tradional borders might not work.

Northern Virginia would probably join Metropolia.

[LynneSin]

52. I'd also include Virgina Beach/Newport News/Naval Station with Metropolia

We could trade them parts of Pennsylvania and southern Delaware.

[The Backlash Cometh]

46. Yay for District 12!!!

Who are you kidding about South Florida? It would sweep up the west coast of Florida to Hillsboro.

[jg10003]

88. Who are you kidding about South Florida?

I live in Broward County. The Republic of South Florida includes Palm Beach County, Broward County, Miami-Dade County, and Monroe County (i.e. the Florida Keys).

[Ian David]

53. I would divide Pennsylvania between New Christendom and Metropolia.

Also, I think North Dakota would join The Federation of Northern States.

And D.C. would probably join Metropolia.

And there should be a narrow sliver along the entire East Coast called Atlantica.

[grntuscarora]

104. Agreed re PA!

The center swath of PA belongs to New Christendom. And as a central PA resident, me and mine will be refugees heading for Atlantica (or whatever VT chooses to call itself!)

[Denninmi]

56. Sorry, not on board with this. If the US collapses, they can call my state, Michigan ...

"Ontario".

[SoCalDem]

58. Mountianland is for Freepers?

Land of bad-spellers:rofl:

[RZM]

59. Anybody remember the miniseries 'Amerika?'

LOL. Didn't think so ;)

Under the Soviets we had many more administrative districts. One similarity though is both this map and the miniseries gave S. Florida its own administrative district. Also in the miniseries Alaska was never pacified, which is odd because Russians in the Far East can see it from their dachas :P

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amerika_%28TV_miniseries%29

[HockeyMom]

60. The Republic of South Florida will only include the ATLANTIC coast

The Gulf Coast is very, very RED.

[dixiegrrrrl]

76. Gulf Coast USED to be red. Till BP came along.

[HockeyMom]

80. Maybe north

but Collier is still very RED.

[HereSince1628]

61. Compared to the 9 nations of North America

This new map doesn't reflect strong Hispanic culture in the southwest and links together states in the midwest once held together by steel-based manufacturing. Without that heavy auto/heavy machinery industry, Minnesota and Wisconsin have little cultural connection to Central and southern Illinois and Indiana, and very little with Ohio.

[geardaddy]

90. And if they were including mining as one of the things for "The Foundry"

They'd have to included NE Minnesota, Northern WI, and the UP of MI.

[HereSince1628]

97. True enough, and the mining

really is what connected the far flung reaches of the southeastern and northwester regions of the 'old foundry'

[The Genealogist]

92. I think this map is more right on

Still needs more nuance though, I think, but to get all the nuances of the socio-cultural map of North America would take MUCH study. For instance, on this map, my town of Springfield is lumped in with Tallahassee, FL, where I lived for 6 years. To say I experienced culture shock is an understatement! I lived there for 6 years and still didn't get it! But I do like the fact that this map ignores politically drawn borders, which don't generally tell the story.

[HereSince1628]

98. There is a book written about the 9 nations of North America

It's old and I'm not sure how recent economic and cultural changes would change it.

[TygrBright]

62. Dude, seriously... we'd ask Mexico to take us back.

No WAY would we allow ourselves to be under the iron yoke of the Texazona power structure.

militantly
Bright

[mitchtv]

86. Calif will sieze the east bank of the Colorado

and start the first war with TXAZ

[TygrBright]

94. Groovy, all of us Nortenos will do fifth column work here.

[11 Bravo]

63. I can guaran-fucking-tee you that Northern VA will not be a part of that red Hellhole you depict!

[LynneSin]

65. I think we should trade Northern VA for sourthern Delmarva Pennisula

Right below the Canal in Delaware.

[charlie and algernon]

67. Delmarva would become it's own country

[LynneSin]

77. Oh no - New Castle County is very liberal. Let us stay with Metropolia

Those dingbats in the south are the crazies and the further south you get the more you feel like you're in the deep south.

Although we should slice up Delmarva in a way that would allow us to keep Rehobeth Beach area - that is a very strong GLBT town.

[abelenkpe]

66. I dunno my teabagger parents, brother and sis live there

Of course so do my liberal relatives as well.

[Ter]

64. We could only dream...

n/t

[SidDithers]

68. Ummm, that's not North America...nt

Sid

[izquierdista]

69. Spelling change

New ChristenDUMB.

[Posteritatis]

70. Huh, North America sure has gotten smaller.

Also if the US started fracturing, I imagine a map of central Europe circa 1648 would probably make a better reference..

[Quezacoatl]

71. So Canada and Mexico aren't part of North America?

[kentauros]

73. No, they get anexed by the Cuban continental plate

:P

[Renew Deal]

74. I'd prefer Metropolia to be called New Amsterdam

But that's just me. :silly:

[JohnnyRingo]

75. The Russians drew up this similar map of The US after the breakup years ago

They predicted the fall of US capitalism and said this is what our borders would look like after hard economic decisions were made:

[JoePhilly]

91. Much closer to reality.

Although there is a center area Kan, Mo, Okla, ARK, Tenn, KY ... New Christendom could be there.

A right wing Oasis if you will.

[JohnnyRingo]

111. I don't believe any one region of the US can survive economically on it's own

The various regions would have to align themselves with a solid trading partner that has economic clout. Maybe Christiandom can look to Iran where they share views of moral intolerance.

[truedelphi]

78. Pacifica is a region also known as

Marijuanapplia.

Medical Marijuana co-ops, who all poay taxes, and seizure of pot farms, are the mainstay of taxes for Northern California counties.

[thelordofhell]

83. Republic Of South Florida?

Try Republic Of Northern Cuba

[McCamy Taylor]

95. New Mexico is wrong. It will either be independent or join with Mexico.

[sfpcjock]

96. cynic ;)

Try to remember that the kids still probably have to live here no matter how fucked up the corporate Repukes make it. Unless they have a trust fund and can just uproot to Monaco or Guadalajara. In that case, hey yeah.

[jg10003]

99. Corrected map for the knit-pickers

Ok, I corrected the one spelling error (it happens to the best of us).

[autorank]

100. k*r One exception - Northern Virginia becomes a "Free City State"

Techtopia, Workalcholica, or something like that but no way does it go with New Cristendom. I hope we get something in return for Alaska. Can't believe either of those two occupants could push us out;)

[bvar22]

103. I'm staying in whatever part gets New Orleans.

You can hang whatever label you want on it.

[WhiteShoesATL]

105. then New Christendom declares War on everyone else....

then New Christendom declares War on everyone else.... and adds Canada to the empire as well.
then they turn around and fight the Russians cuz children from the movie Red Dawn are fighting the
Russians and Chinese...
Shits crazy man

[Creideiki]

112. For the record...

I think Colorado would advise the idiots to the north that "Mountain" is spelled A-I. Then we'd secede and join New Mexico and join Mexico.