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kpete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-11 10:10 AM
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"Hey, what is this, North Korea?" In the USA, in 2011, a COMIC STRIP can be CENSORED???
Edited on Wed Sep-14-11 10:14 AM by kpete
In the USA, in 2011, a COMIC STRIP can be CENSORED???
September 14, 2011

He’s had “DOONESBURY” strips killed by newspapers before.
But for the Chicago Tribune and Newsday and the Atlanta Journal-Constitution to drop
DOONESBURY for a full week because the strip contained quotes from THE ROGUE?

............

Has Sarah become the Blessed Virgin, and the USA a new Vatican City?

Major newspapers in Chicago, New York, and Atlanta refuse to run–for a full week or more–a comic strip that refers to excerpts from a book that dares to criticize a woman who once ran for vice president and then quit as governor of her state and has subsequently made millions of dollars by doing reality shows and appearing as a highly-paid political commentator on a right-wing TV channel?

Hey, people: we’ve got a problem.

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dixiegrrrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-11 10:11 AM
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1. A Palin strip, no less.
Kinda tells you who the owners are, eh?
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-11 10:12 AM
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2. would have to know what was in the strip, before judging. nt
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kpete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-11 10:14 AM
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check these out:
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-11 10:45 AM
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14. interesting. thanks kpete. nt
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-11 12:32 PM
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35. Maybe they're concerned about getting sued for copyright infringement
They've never been shy about running strips critical of Palin in the past.
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DisgustipatedinCA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-11 12:15 PM
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28. Not really
You can make a fairly informed judgment based on the fact that only a few major market papers have embargoed the comic, meaning lots of other papers will be running the strips, meaning that they're not universally seen as obscene, or as communicating a threat, or other things that might cause a paper with a conscience not to run them. It's very possible I'm wrong, but an educated guess says the material is just fine, but there are some papers afraid of pissing off mouthbreathingbaggers. Now I'm off to read the link that someone sent you to see the actual content. Thanks.
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-11 12:34 PM
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36. Different corporate lawyers give their employers different advice, often wrong
Edited on Wed Sep-14-11 12:35 PM by slackmaster
There's a mail-order company called Sportsman's Guide that won't ship any kind of knife to certain counties in California, even though California has knife laws that are less restrictive than a lot of states and those counties don't have laws that would prohibit importation of knives.

http://shop.sportsmansguide.com/net/cb/rapala-fnfsf4-fishnfillet-sup.aspx?a=650067

It's a huge leap to assume that any paper that has chosen not to run the present Doonesbury series did so for political reasons.

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Brother Buzz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-11 10:14 AM
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3. I'm fine with it. The blowback from the decision has become the story
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izquierdista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-11 10:16 AM
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4. We have a way to go yet
Sarah doesn't have her own themesong.....yet: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zmI2yDAyWYI&feature=related
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Swede Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-11 10:18 AM
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5. You can't buy publicity like this!
Go Garry!
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pintobean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-11 10:18 AM
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6. Sounds like an attempt for free advertisement
and the papers said no.
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hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-11 11:02 AM
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18. The news pages are stuffed with free advertisement.
Most of the stuff they call "news" is free advertisement.

Except for the high school games, the Sports section is entirely free advertisement. Same with politics. Sarah Palin would be entirely unremarkable and forgotten if not for the free advertisement she gets in the popular press.
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RZM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-11 01:23 PM
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38. The left represents a vital bloc of Palin news consumers though
Sure she's hated on the left, but people still love hearing about her (especially when she says or does something stupid). It's the whole 'person you love to hate' thing. Just add up all the posts on DU with the word 'Palin' in them over the last three years. I can't even imagine how high that number would be.
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CBGLuthier Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-11 10:21 AM
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8. No, it is america where people who own a newspaper have the right to choose what
to publish in it.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-11 10:36 AM
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StandingInLeftField Donating Member (382 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-11 10:39 AM
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12. I suppose we should just give up.
On that antiquated notion of "impartial reportage", if that is your criteria. Yellow journalism has always been more profitable......."sigh".
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Shagbark Hickory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-11 12:18 PM
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30. disregard
Edited on Wed Sep-14-11 12:19 PM by Shagbark Hickory
wrong place
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RZM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-11 10:35 AM
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9. North Korea has government censorhip. And this ain't that
The issue is (apparently) the book excerpt. Had Trudeau just written a strip about Palin without referencing this new book, I think all would be fine.
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alc Donating Member (649 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-11 10:45 AM
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13. private company (even media) is not the same as government censorship
The media censors plenty of stories that we should be more upset about than a comic (even though comics are a powerful way to convey the substance of a story quickly).

The good thing about situations like this is that it makes more people aware that the media does.

Unfortunately our government does have too much influence on what the media covers. But it's still "influence", not "control" and we still have quite a bit of freedom to discuss anything on the internet (not like North Korea)
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-11 10:59 AM
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-11 11:43 AM
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23. The non-publication of the strip in a few newspapers is not the result of any government action
Nobody is obligated to publish the strip.
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bananas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-11 11:02 AM
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17. "Garry tells me he’ll be on NPR this week"
This will be worth listening to:
"But Garry tells me he’ll be on NPR this week discussing the censorship by mainstream media of cartoons that dared to make fun of Sarah Palin."
http://www.joemcginniss.net/in-the-usa-in-2011-a-comic-strip-can-be-censored/Joe%20McGinniss
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valerief Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-11 11:05 AM
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19. Yes, we are rapidly becoming North Korea. How are the Republic Party prez candies different from
Edited on Wed Sep-14-11 11:06 AM by valerief
Kim-Jong-Il?
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jpljr77 Donating Member (580 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-11 11:17 AM
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21. Jeez at the drama.
It's not mentioned anywhere, so I'll throw it out there: you know that newspaper publishers and book publishers have pretty tight ties at the highest levels. Maybe...just, maybe, this is a case of certain publishers not wanting to release material from a book that hasn't been cleared for sale yet.

Maybe.

(here's a hint: the papers aren't refusing to run the comic, they are just holding it "for a full week or more," after which, the book will be released)
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-11 11:32 AM
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22. It's not censorship if a public company or private business declines to print it
In a market economy, only governments can censor things.

It's running in the San Diego Union-Tribune, and it's available online for free to anyone who has Internet access.
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IndyPragmatist Donating Member (556 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-11 12:11 PM
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26. Exactly, there is nothing wrong with newspapers declining to run it
They do this EVERY DAY. They choose which stories they want to run and which not to run. Is this censorship? No, its a private company. They can decide not to run it if they want.
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-11 12:08 PM
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24. It's the subtle censorship of the corpo-fascist media that is the more serious problem.
Subtle censorhip: bias toward war, war profiteers and corporate rule in 'news' stories, headlines and lede lines (first sentences--what most people read); disinformation (promulgation of CIA/State Department/Pentagon "talking points"), black holes in the 'news' where information should be (no context, no history), suppression or "back-paging" of vitally important stories, trivial 'news' replacing real news, lack of serious investigation (resources bled off to enrich investors and CEOs; understaffing; no incentives to investigate), editorial creation of 'news' narratives that serve corporate/war profiteer interests (reporters must fit their stories into these narratives), self-censorship by reporters (subtle and unsubtle pressure on reporters to view things the corporate way), corporate monopolies of 'news' venues (lack of competition; too much power to control the 'news'), promotion of a gaggle of right to far rightwing 'columnists,' failure to separate the 'news' and business divisions of 'news' monopolies, and conglomerates owning both 'news' monopolies and other types of businesses (such as military manufacturers) and tailoring the 'news' to the profit of those divisions.

These are just some of the problems of the modern 'news' corporation that result not just in crap 'news' but in evilly manipulative 'news' --'news' that serves the interests of the rich and that keeps the majority of people ignorant of how they are being exploited and lied to.

Thomas Jefferson proposed that the government fund newspapers (the main means of communication in those days), but without any interference in content--to insure that the rich do not monopolize news and opinion. He saw this problem developing that long ago--the rich can afford to promulgate their views; the poor cannot. And when TV technology arrived, democratic societies, including this one, immediately recognized that TV has a propaganda/manipulative power far more dangerous to democracy then rich-controlled newsprint, and instituted the Fairness Doctrine to regulate use of the TV/radio airwaves (all of which belong to the public) to specifically require: balanced, objective political news coverage, equal time for opposite views and public service broadcasting. This set of laws also forbade 'news' monopolies. The Fairness Doctrine, in turn, influenced print media toward objective news coverage and fair treatment of alternative opinion. (Print media was not directly regulated.) The general drift of these regulations was that business corporations were NOT supposed to prejudice the news toward their own profit. News was a PUBLIC SERVICE.

The Reagan thugs got rid of or disabled these laws--and thus, today, we have the very worst 'news' coverage and commentary imaginable. There is no effort by government ('of, by and for" the people) to break up'news' monopolies or to influence news/commentary with democratic values. The corporate 'news' monopolies--which own all the means of 'news' production and basically now 'own' the PUBLIC airwaves--can freely propagandize for their own profit. There are no checks on them whatever. This is not normal. This is not how a democratic society should operate: 24/7 rightwing-slanted 'news' and commentary, on all channels and in every newspaper, news magazine and other venues (book publishing, movie-making, etc.).

It is a nightmare.

Idiots will say that this is a "right" of private business corporations. Not true! Private business corporations have NO RIGHTS--they only have the PRIVILEGE of doing business in this country WITH OUR PERMISSION--by state (public) chartering of their corporations and by regulatory (public) laws, rules and regulations. Corporations are HIDING BEHIND "free speech" rights that they do not possess in order to brainwash the public in their financial interest. Secondly, as to the PUBLIC airwaves--which influence the print media--the principle was long ago established (and this has not changed, in theory) that the TV/radio airwaves belong to the PUBLIC and must be used IN THE PUBLIC INTEREST.

Corporate monopolization of news/opinion and use of both print and TV/radio venues to brainwash the public is not the worst problem of our democracy, in my opinion. But it IS the SECOND worst problem. The 'TRADE SECRET' voting machines are the worst problem (privatization of the very counting of our votes--unfriggingbelievable!). Prioritizing these enormous problems is difficult. For instance, of course work should go forward--on the internet and in other venues--to provide alternative news/opinion and to counter the evil influence of corporate 'news.' But I prioritize on a practical basis. If we can't elect leaders who will act in the public interest--who, for instance, will work to restore the Fairness Doctrine--then we can never solve the corporate media problem. This is true of ALL problems in our society. They cannot be solved--and reform is not possible--without transparent, honest elections. Transparency comes first (THE most essential condition of democracy--vote counting that everyone can SEE), honesty comes second (money loses some power when vote counting is transparent) and reform comes third--by honest people representing us.

In Latin America, they have terrible corporate media--worse than our own--yet Latin Americans have been able to elect Leftist governments in Venezuela, Brazil, Argentina, Bolivia, Ecuador, Uruguay, Paraguay, Peru, Nicaragua, El Salvador, Honduras (until the U.S. supported rightwing coup) and other countries, precisely because these peoples have attended to their voting systems. With a transparent voting system, the majority has a chance to elect good leaders. Without transparent vote counting, the majority has no chance. That is WHY our voting system was rendered non-transparent (by the Anthrax Congress, in the same month as the "Iraq War Resolution"--Oct '02!).

So, to address the problem of corporate media censorship--overt, in this Doonesbury incident--and the pervasive and ruinous subtle censorship, brainwashing and propaganda throughout the corpo-fascist media, we must FIRST restore transparent vote counting, to be able to elect representatives who do the will of the people--for instance, as to the use of our public airwaves.

IF our democracy was working normally, news reporters and commentators would be all over this 'TRADE SECRET' voting machine business. They would have sounded the alarm long ago, and very loud. But there is NOTHING more important to these corpo-fascist 'news' organizations that suppressing WHO is 'counting' all our votes and HOW they are (not) 'counting' them.

One.

Private.

Far rightwing-connected.

Corporation.

ES&S, which bought out Diebold.

Controls.

80%.

Of the voting systems in the U.S.

Using.

'TRADE SECRET.'

Programming.

Code.

With.

Virtually.

No.

Audit/recount.

Controls.

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You wonder what the problem is--why this country seems whacko-fascist-suicidal? THAT is the problem.

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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-11 12:13 PM
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Shagbark Hickory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-11 12:19 PM
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31. If I wore a t-shirt to work that said "Republicans are crazy", and my boss told me to take it off...

IS that like North Korea too?
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Nye Bevan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-11 12:21 PM
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32. These newspapers should be *forced* to run that cartoon.
Have the police take over the printing presses at gunpoint, if necessary.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-11 12:28 PM
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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-11 01:11 PM
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37. Kicked and recommended.
Thanks for the thread, kpete.
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hifiguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-11 01:54 PM
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39. I am sure that Garry Trudeau is
duly amused. More free publicity!
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