Too hot for du I fear

[nadinbrzezinski]

http://nadinbrzezinski.posterous.com/on-the-debate-and-let-him-die

[provis99]

1. Ron Paul demonstrates how warped libertarian principles are.

He's pretty much the face of libertarians in this country; "let him die; it's his choice" indeed.
This is why I don't bother trying to reason with libertarians; their Orwellian "oppression gives us freedom" meme is revolting on a moral level.

[nadinbrzezinski]

12. It not libertarian anymore

Time to use the f word.

[DJ13]

2. Yep

:thumbsup:

[RKP5637]

3. Yep! Maybe we can have Reality TV shows and watch people dying, maybe a

7/24 CAM feed. That would really make 'em happy. A perpetual orgasm for them.

[seabeyond]

5. we, as a nation, are already into seeing the very worst of people, humiliate and degrade themselves

for the camera. it is not too huge a step

that is entertainment.

[tblue37]

22. Remember how worked up Republicans got over IMAGINARY

death panels that were never going to exist? Yet they are awfully comfortable about the idea of letting people die for real if they are not able to afford insurance.

[RKP5637]

37. It's amazing. They truly have twisted minds, and one reason why rational

logic fails with them. Their minds truly function in an inhumane manner.

[MindPilot]

45. interesting point, and I wonder how many of those who applauded suffering and death

will be in church Sunday morning asking Jesus to make them rich.

[hlthe2b]

4. I only wish I could send Paul & some of his libertarians to a country

where there is essentially no government, no regulations, no protections, no "commons"... How long before they would begin to scream...


I am so happy, though that the media is FINALLY starting to cover some of this horrific policy stances and the hateful rhetoric.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

49. Somalia would be perfect. No functioning government, no regulations

and lots of guns. I'm sure Ron Paul and all the other Randroids would love Mogadishu.

[nadinbrzezinski]

51. That still has UN troops.

I mean world government and all.

They'd be happier in Suharto's regime.

There is a government but one more to their liking.

[seabeyond]

6. why would this be too hot for du? i have not heard anyone that does not condemn

what has happened the last two republican debates.

[themadstork]

7. How is this at all hot?

You whined a little and then claimed fascism. Additionally you spamlinked your own blog.

[nadinbrzezinski]

10. Oh. My sig does that...live with it, don't care

[themadstork]

19. I sensed that you didn't.

[Zywiec]

8. Too hot for not being accurate?

"The sound of people saying "let him die"

Is there a clip of people actually saying "let him die", or just the two people who said "yeah"?

Unrec for more inaccuracy.

[nadinbrzezinski]

9. Apparently me and the rest imagined it

Do me a favor, unrec everything I post. Go on.

[Zywiec]

11. There is a video of the incident and yet no one yelling it.

What happened to it?

And yes, I believe a lot here have some wild imaginations.

[nadinbrzezinski]

13. Yep...even the media does

They thought they were free.

[Zywiec]

15. Are you saying the video of the incident has been manipulated? n/t

[nadinbrzezinski]

18. Nope, but obviously we watched two different events

Given quantum mechanics it is possible.

[Zywiec]

24. Yep, my event is clearly replayable on video, while yours clearly is not. n/t

[seabeyond]

minute something tape in PV. i just listened. i heard some yeah....

didnt hear any ... let him die. but then the tape was cut off once paul started talking again.

[Zywiec]

27. I watched and listened several times today with headphones

and it simply doesn't exist as much as it makes the story sound better.

There were definitely two or three crazies yelling "yeah"!

[nadinbrzezinski]

32. Here, this will make you feel better.

[Zywiec]

38. Why not just admit you embellished the story?

Is accuracy now something to disregard?

:shrug:

[nadinbrzezinski]

39. Nah I got it wrong with a few in the media

Nd one former congress critter

Enjoy, this is much safer

[tammywammy]

61. I just watched the video again

It's a couple people saying "yeah", but I didn't hear anyone say "let him die."

[xchrom]

14. Glad to see some one acknowledge we have our own version of Randians here. Nt

[seabeyond]

16. we do? really, i have not been in the threads, or not many. but all i have read

were disgusted with the two cheers for death

[xchrom]

50. Anti 'zero tolerance' threads, 'nanny state' threads - you know there is subtlety to this angle

But it's the same angle.

[seabeyond]

54. gotcha. thanks. nt

[MindPilot]

58. opposing a nanny state doesn't make one a libertarian

I think it is completely possible to be against the war on drugs, DUI check points, and anti-smoking rules and still support a progressive society with a strong social safety net. I see no conflict.

[xchrom]

63. Like I say - it's subtle. For example - I don't think the war on drugs is part of the nanny state.

That more resembles the war racket period.

Strong proponents of government aren't against rationality, reason & science.

But people often have to defend strong government from 2 sides of attack - conservatives & libertarians.
Nuance is lost then.

[white_wolf]

17. K&R! Oh, I posted a thread giving my thoughts on this. Check it out if you get a chance.

I'd be interested in your thoughts.

[nadinbrzezinski]

20. Send me a link

[white_wolf]

26. Here you go:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x1932947

[malaise]

21. Who is unreccing this

Rec

[nadinbrzezinski]

23. Whoever it is, don't give a damn any more

Kittens and ponies oh my.

[pintobean]

25. What's great about a mod call-out?

[Name removed]

29. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[seabeyond]

33. are you really suggesting du does not allow people to post various and contentious posts?

really? now you are all over du as a board. you dont see enough posts on here talking about the very thing you posted on your site then declaring how it is "too hot" for du.

i am not seeing this thread locked. but i sure do see a lot of disdain you have for a lot of people.

[pintobean]

34. I'm not out to win.

The subject matter isn't the problem. The fact that most of your posts contain rule violations, like personal attacks and mod call outs, are the problem. Try reading the rules and realize they apply to you too.

[nadinbrzezinski]

35. Here

This will make you feel better

More where that came from.

[Obamanaut]

83. Perhaps folks who don't want to go to a blind link without knowing what is there. nt

[Owl]

28. K&R for Nadin! Love your writings!

[Lucian]

30. Well, I agree with what you said, but...

Nobody said "Let him die." When Wolf asked, "Are you saying society should just let him die?" The audience responded "Yes!".

Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zrQHcMucLVU&feature=share

[nadinbrzezinski]

31. Yup, that is the heart of argument

But here, this is safer

[socialist_n_TN]

79. Oh, that's DIFFERENT then

Since nobody actually SAID "Let him die", then OBVIOUSLY nadin is overreacting! Pay no attention to the positive response to the QUESTION "Are you saying society should just let him die?" Those words were not actually USED by the libertarians, so OBVIOUSLY they didn't MEAN "Let him die". :sarcasm:

[Lucian]

80. The article was misleading.

She said they said "Let him die" when in fact, when asked, the audience yelled "Yes."

There is a huge difference. What happened was lazy and misleading reporting.

And I said I agreed with her. There's no need for snark or attack.

[madinmaryland]

36. "He got his, fuck everyone else" AKA the Teabagger Party.

[MindPilot]

40. That was never actually said, but it was sure as hell implied

And the crowd loved it!

Ron paul got talked into a corner, the logical and tragic outcome of his philosophy demonstrated right in front of his face. Far more disturbing was what he actually said a few moments earlier, "let the churches handle it..."

[Zywiec]

41. Do you want a pony or rainbow from the OP? n/t

[seabeyond]

43. or kittens. guess that is all we are allowed to say seeing how EVERYTHING else is too hot

for du, lol

really

i try not to go into these threads. but to start, immediately, calling out du... are we really suppose to applaud.

[MindPilot]

53. Well there is the entertainment value, but I like to be up to speed

when I visit other sites. (nudge-nudge-wink-wink)

[pintobean]

46. Both in one pic would be

too much to ask for - too hot for DU.

[MindPilot]

47. I'll take the rainbow, please...I don't have a good place for the pony to

shit.

[nadinbrzezinski]

42. Paul should have the f word round his neck

Don't mean the sexual act either.

[Codeine]

44. Another predictable episode of The NadinB Show. . . nt

[nadinbrzezinski]

48. Another predictable response from codeine

Here you will feel better

[Codeine]

52. Isn't a double rainbow too hot for DU?

One would imagine that as being like all double hot and stuff. . .

[nadinbrzezinski]

55. This more to your liking

[Whisp]

56. I guess you got your view count up for that site...

I didn't look tho.

but nice ruse.

[nadinbrzezinski]

57. Don't care, so you feel better.

Oh and for the record it ain't 'bout you.

[Whisp]

59. are you feeling okay? Not sure what your pictographs mean...

but I'll try to play along. Am I getting it right?

[seabeyond]

60. lmfao... lol.

i remember the days, ah ha

[nadinbrzezinski]

62. Not quite

[scheming daemons]

64. Why did you think that was "too hot" for DU? There have been lots of threads saying similar things

[pintobean]

65. Drama

[nadinbrzezinski]

66. Oh trust me it is

At least from me.

So nooz articles and ponies.

[scheming daemons]

76. Um... I read it.... DU mods wouldn't have done anything to it

[nadinbrzezinski]

77. Nooz and kittens.

Commentary now goes there.

[Dorian Gray]

84. What the heck ?

I don't get why you needed to post this thread to your own blog with an opinion expressed numerous times throughout this site, then say it's too hot for DU.

The only thing served here is to call out DU as oppressive to opinions in a self aggrandizing way.

And then you post pictures to people who call you out on it, totally dismissing their very opinions? Just like you think YOUR opinion would be dismissed?

Okay.

[pintobean]

85. There were

2 threads of hers locked. In the 1st, it appeared that she was calling Obama a fascist. The 2nd was a re-post with a call-out of the mods. Now this call-out, with a link to her blog, which has another call-out. It can't be her attitude, so DU must be the problem.

[seabeyond]

86. ah... see

this make better sense. didnt know about the first two, hence a du call out. but, this pattern is about norm.

thanks

[Dorian Gray]

87. Ah... I see

I just saw this thread first thing this morning, and thought to myself: WTF?

Thanks for the explanation

[tkmorris]

67. How... odd

1) That's not too hot for DU. It's not even warm frankly. BTW isn't it just a tad arrogant to announce that something you have written is too hot for DU but you are going to post it anyway because, presumably, that's just how you roll?

2) It's strange for you to post this as if it's somehow controversial in the first place, given that there are already several threads about the very same thing in GD, almost all of which go into much deeper analysis than yours does. Your blog posting is really quite brief as it is but could be boiled down to a simple "Republicans scare me". Aside from getting facts wrong, as has been pointed out to you already, you offered no new insight whatsoever besides what we already know.

3) If you are going to post links here to your own blog it seems to me that you should only do so for things that cannot be posted here for whatever reason. Otherwise what's the point except to divert traffic to your own site? If you want people here to read it, just post it here. Doing otherwise smacks of egotism and perhaps a desire for profit.

4) I'd like a kitten please. They are so CUTE!

[nadinbrzezinski]

68. Here, so you don't feel left out

[Name removed]

69. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[pintobean]

74. Could you point these trolls out for us?

I don't see them.

[seabeyond]

75. oh right. that would be along the lines of obamas super duper chess moves

lol

[pintobean]

70. Here, you've earned this

[tkmorris]

72. AWWWW! Thanks Pintobean!

[pintobean]

88. I didn't want you to get cheated.

[DeSwiss]

71. Who gave them this exposure? Who allowed for this trumpeting of ignorance.....

...as if it were reasoned thought? We know that the Tea Party is not a political movement but was manufactured by the traitorous rich. And yet we continue to be drawn into this "show" each time the puppeteers make their puppets dance.

They are a tool. A wedge designed to drive the people of this country apart and to keep us that way. Why? Because the rich fear just one thing: us ever setting aside our differences long enough to figure out who the real enemy is. So they use distractions from the reality of everyday life. Sideshows. All of which are designed to siphon-off our outrage with our leaders (which they own) and with this last-gasp capitalist/fascist state we live in (which they created), and place onto these ignorant, prejudiced people.

We are all being played.

So ask yourself, who does all this contention serve? The Tea Party didn't put themselves on the teevee, CNN gave them the exposure. Freely. So who owns CNN? The media?

- I'm sorry, but this shit can never be "fixed." It must be replaced.

K&R

"Understanding America's Class System"

Media noise about the Tea Party doth not a revolution make, and it certainly does not overthrow the ruling class, who do not mind the wrath of the rabble, so long as it does not get in the way of the money.

~ http://www.joebageant.com/joe/2010/08/understanding-america.html">Joe Bageant, "Understanding America's Class System"

[nadinbrzezinski]

73. Agreed but I fear I can't discuss this fully here.

Nooz and kittens.

[DeSwiss]

78. I hear ya.

The http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mmf0c5GrD5g">truth has trouble getting through in a lot of places these days.

[woo me with science]

81. Thanks for the clip. I hadn't seen it.

Love the smiley, btw.

[DeSwiss]

82. De nada.

- Or, so they say......