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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-13-11 02:17 PM
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1991 "Geezer Bashing"..blaming out of control budgets on the elderly. Both parties do it now.
FAIR..Fairness and Accuracy in Reporting..has pointed out for years how politicians and media are manipulating the social safety net by attacking seniors.

From 1991: a compilation of media attacks on the elderly.

Geezer-Bashing

Budget out of control, banks going bust, states and cities going broke, children going hungry -- who's to blame? For major media, no problem. It's elderly Americans.

In their drive to punish gray hair, big media give no quarter. There is no trial, no defense.

"Elderly, Affluent -- and Selfish", snarls a typical op-ed in the New York Times (10/10/89). "The 800-Pound Gorilla Vs. the Hungry Baby", growls a Washington Post column (10/22/90), referring to the invisible geezer lobby as an ape. Time magazine (11/26/90) says the country could work its way out of the hole it's in "by spending less on the elderly and more on preschoolers," but alas, "the elderly vote and preschoolers don't." Columnist Lars-Erik Nelson of the New York Daily News (10/22/90) proposes a cure for that: a Constitutional amendment denying the vote to everybody who gets a government check, like Social Security.


The reporter describes Nelson as "one of the more liberal members of the Washington press corps." He suggests he had just not heard the truth. Could be that, but could have been profitable for media and politicians to spout this ridiculous rhetoric.

"a Constitutional amendment denying the vote to everybody who gets a government check, like Social Security."...That sounds absurd enough to be a tenet of today's tea party.

...
"Anyway, the notion that this administration and this Congress would use money cut from programs for the elderly to feed hungry babies is as absurd as the other basic postulates of geezer-bashing: that the elderly as a class are rich (they are of course poorer than any other segment of adults); that they are especially selfish (they are more supportive of a cradle-to-grave healthcare system than any other group); and that they have overwhelming political clout.


In 1993 there was Jon Cowan, now president of the Third Way, pleading with grandma and grandpa to stop demanding so much from the younger folks.

Dear Grandma and Grandpa:

We write to ask for your help. We're in a financial mess, and unless everyone in our family gets together to fix the problem, we're heading for "economic and fiscal catastrophe." That's not a phrase we picked up on MTV-it's from a recent U.S. government report on the budget deficit.

....."We are not ungrateful. We respect and value the sacrifices you've made for our country and have no desire to take money away from those in need. But our generation is in trouble. We were educated in a collapsing school system. Our incomes and skill levels are lower than any previous generation-by the year 2000 over one-third of younger Americans will be living in poverty. And we will be the first Americans to inherit a lower standard of living than our parents.

We're not asking that your generation solve all our problems. And there certainly are many other programs that also must be cut to get the deficit under control. But Social Security must be considered, just like everything else in the budget.


He should feel pretty good about things along about now. Social Security has been put on the table, and the Super Committee is now negotiating over it. Put on the table to be tinkered with by right wing extremists.

In 1997 John Hess at FAIR pointed out that they were still trying to "rescue" Social Security.

Here We Go Again. Can Social Security Survive Another "Rescue"?

The rescue of Social Security has been a staple of American journalism for 20 years now—a story all the more remarkable in that Social Security has never been in peril except from its rescuers.

The rescues have all been based on faulty arithmetic.
First, in 1977, the rescuers humbly confessed that they had made a mistake in adjusting benefits to inflation, as a result of which Social Security was threatening to go broke. (They never say the Army is threatening to "go broke," only that it needs more money to do the job that it's asked to do.) Not to worry. Amid the Yuletide hosannas of our massed punditry, our leaders found the courage to enact a correction that would, they swore, assure solvency into the 21st Century.

..."The solvency of Social Security was thus assured for 75 more years. The euphoria was such that when some new retirees learned that their benefits were taking a double hit and complained, they suffered the righteous wrath of the massed media. They were called "Greedy Geezers": "Avaricious," "spiteful" people who would snatch food from babies —a media image of America's elderly that persists to this day.

The Social Security crisis of 1983 was one of the boldest hoaxes in our political and journalistic history, so effective that even today few observers are aware of it. Leaving the new rescue package aside, Social Security income and outgo were roughly in balance, as they had been since its inception. Indeed, it ended 1983 with a surplus of $21.8 billion, thanks mainly to the fact that , now that the "crisis" was no longer required, Congress quietly handed over to Social Security some of the billions that the Pentagon had long owed the system.

In short, there had been no Social Security crisis, only a crisis of bad faith and bad reporting.


The right wing and media have done this geezer bashing for decades, but unfortunately now our party is chiming in.

Traditionally Democrats have stood firmly for the senior safety nets, but things are changing.

Now and then a Democratic leader will be honest and say that Social Security does not contribute to the deficit. Then they say they have to put it on the table anyway. Their actions speak loudly...Obama's demand to extend the payroll tax cuts will put Social Security in jeopardy. His demand that the Super Committee find more and more in cuts is bound to harm ordinary people.

WASHINGTON, Sept. 8, 2011 /PRNewswire-USNewswire/ -- Extending the payroll tax cut would unnecessarily place the benefits of millions of seniors at risk, warns The Senior Citizens League (TSCL), one of the nation's largest nonpartisan seniors groups.

"This is one tax cut that no member of Congress should vote to renew," says Larry Hyland, Chairman of TSCL. "It hasn't generated new payroll taxes, but it has been increasing the deficit and threatens our ability to pay benefits to 59 million people who rely on Social Security, including low to middle-income seniors and the disabled."


Later today, President Obama will ask Congress to extend the two-percent payroll tax holiday (enacted in December 2010 and due to expire at the end of this year) as a way to boost the economy and create new jobs. However, the unemployment rate is now higher than when the payroll tax cut began.

According to the Congressional Budget Office, this year's tax cut will cost the Social Security system about $112 billion in lost revenue and borrowing costs. This is a significant blow to the already over-stretched program, which since last year has been paying out more in benefits than it receives in revenues. The federal government has been borrowing the difference to pay benefits. But during the recent debt limit battle, it became clear that Social Security benefits could not be guaranteed once the debt limit is reached.

Payroll Tax Cut Extension Puts Social Security Payments at Risk


And now both Democrats and Republicans are freely talking about reforming Social Security. It is dangerous for our party to do that when they are dealing with extremists.

Those extremists have debates now with audiences that cheer and applaud when a governor brags about a large number of executions. They shout out "let him die" when a candidate for president as much as said that if you don't have insurance dying is one option.

Social Security should not be back on the table for the Super Committee to debate. A Democratic president should be pleading with this Super Committee to find more and bigger cuts. These are people who would destroy the country for their ideology, yet we are urged to keep compromising with them.

You can not compromise with these people. It is dangerous to try.




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global1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-13-11 02:45 PM
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1. The Elderly That Should Be Blamed Are Senators & Congressmen That......
are always re-elected and have been in Congress for many terms. They are the ones that should be blamed.
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-13-11 02:57 PM
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2. Bingo, we have a winner. n/t
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Jakes Progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-13-11 03:03 PM
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5. The youngest two senators are rubio and lee. You want more of them?
Age has nothing to do with it. Assholes come in all sizes, races, genders, and ages.

Hopefully we could determine who is a decent person and who is not without checking their birth certificates.
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-13-11 03:02 PM
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3. People on the right and people on the left make so many blatantly false
Edited on Tue Sep-13-11 03:03 PM by truedelphi
Comparisons, out and out false statements.

When my Congressman, a Blue Dog named Mike Thompson (And he proudly proclaims his "blue dog status" as a glorious and many splendored thing) shows a pie chart of the US budget for one year, he includes the Social Security spending as being one huge part of the pie.

A woman who came to see his presentation kept wildly waving her hand, and when finally called on, she tried to point out that the Social Security checks that go out each month - those checks are drawn, not on the funds from the US General Budget fund, but from the Social Security fund. She tried to get Thompson to realize this.

And he patently ignored her.

Meanwhile, "liberal" Bill Maher has almost the same damn pie chart, though he festoons his chart with "fast foods." And he too includes the Social Security spending as coming from the General Fund.

If anyone here can get a hold of Bill, could you please ask him not to do this?

The Social Security Fund pays the monthly checks to seniors from its own individual fund. A fund that has a 2.1 surplus!

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Hydra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-13-11 03:59 PM
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9. Auldous Huxley's "A Brave New World"
Repetition of a lie = Truth.

That's one of the scary parts of 24 hour news- lies get repeated, refined and ultimately accepted without question.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-13-11 10:30 PM
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14. That is why teachers are scapegoats now for everything wrong with education.
The lie that there are so many bad teachers has been told over and over until it is generally accepted.

The majority here at a Democratic forum find the subject boring or inconsequential, and even annoying to them.

That's how well the propaganda has worked since Reagan's faulty Nation at Risk report.

They just kept repeating the lie about us until most believe it.
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sad sally Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-11 04:25 PM
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24. Bush all over...
"See in my line of work you got to keep repeating things over and over and over again for the truth to sink in, to kind of catapult the propaganda."
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SteveM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-11 04:13 PM
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25. Well, if more "geezers" were hired, SS might be more solvent...
It bugs hell out of me that people complain about old folks getting SS and Medicare, but don't seem to put 2 + 2 together when we are blatantly discriminated against for employment. Hell, that's one reason I started taking out SS at 63 yrs; I can't get work!

Or as one gov. agency said when I applied for a clerical job, "we don't want any more grumpy old men here." Well, at least 2 of those status descriptors are actionable. On paper.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-13-11 07:29 PM
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13. They have their "political speak", and they do not deviate from it.
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DrunkenBoat Donating Member (584 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-13-11 10:58 PM
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15. Maher is only "liberal" on three issues: drugs, sex & religion. otherwise
he's just another right-wing asshole.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-11 12:09 PM
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20. Actually...
I pretty much agree with you. He really is not that liberal.
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jtown1123 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-13-11 03:02 PM
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4. It was always their intent to blame the olds and the boomers. It's generational warfare
at its finest.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-13-11 07:02 PM
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12. Wait till the younger generation has to take on finances of their elders...
and they won't be prepared for it at all. But the way things are going with both sides on board against seniors....it will be too late to fix.

The younger folks have not had to worry because of SS and Medicare...they really often don't have a clue what they are and what they do.

So when they cut them or take them away..they will learn quickly.
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-11 03:13 PM
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23. My name for it is "humanacide."
As cuts to Social Security will hurt the disabled as well as older people.



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ck4829 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-13-11 03:03 PM
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6. One group wants an extra serving of tapioca, another wants another billion in the Cayman Islands
That first group is so greedy.

:sarcasm:
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-13-11 03:37 PM
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7. Point well made.
And our politicians are shamelessly promoting that idea.They are putting in jeopardy a group that really needs SS, but has no money to fight back.
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Hydra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-13-11 03:52 PM
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8. Power dynamics
I don't know if it's always been this way(and I suspect it has), but it's always the weak who get it between the eyes, and the powerful who write the history, covering over their maleficence.

We're just seeing it more blatantly done.
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ThomCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-13-11 04:08 PM
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10. It continues with this jobs bill.
By paying for it with cuts to the payroll tax, that pays for social security and medicare, they are forcing seniors and people with disabilities to pay for the new jobs.

By pushing for delays in when seniors can get access to social security, they are implementing a 100% cut in benefits for a lot of people who need that social security, and have been paying into it for years with the promise that it would be there for them when they turned 65. This is breaking an important promise that has been made to them constantly over the years, and breaking it when they need that promise most.

By pretending that it will be so easy to replace that $240 billion dollars out of the general budget, when they know republicans will fight this tooth and nail, calling it an unnecessary tax increase, they are making seniors and people with disabilities take all the risks. We all know that any tax that gets cut usually stays cut permanently. Which means that social security and medicare are likely to be permanently gutted. By Obama!

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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-13-11 05:05 PM
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11. From the National Committee to Preserve Social Security and Medicare...
http://www.ncpssm.org/entitledtoknow/?p=1977

"Putting Americans back to work is also critical to keeping Social Security and Medicare strong. However, this proposal to extend and expand the payroll tax cut threatens Social Security’s independence by forcing the program to compete for limited federal dollars from general revenues, and by breaking the link between contributions and benefits. As we predicted back in December, ‘There’s no such thing as a temporary tax cut.’ Just months after being reassured that diverting contributions from Social Security would last for just one year, Congress is now being asked to extend and even increase this diversion of payroll taxes for another year. Doubling-down by also cutting employer contributions greatly worsens the situation, and makes it even hard to restore the Social Security system to self-financing. If this extension passes, there is no guarantee that Congress won’t be asked to extend it yet again, for a 3rd or even a 4th year or longer, and expand it even more, making it a de facto permanent part of the tax code. This is death by a thousand cuts.

Social Security is paid for, earned by and promised to American workers. We call on the President and the Congress to reaffirm the fact that Social Security has been, is, and will continue to be, a self-financed insurance program; and that this temporary payroll tax cut does not constitute a precedent that would undermine this principle.”

It is scary how they all keep on parroting the same words about those payroll tax cuts, when in reality they will deplete the funding of Social Security as we know it.

And we as Democrats are expected to fall in line and stay on board, or whatever term is used lately....and pretend we don't know that they are already cutting SS by doing that.

It's just a bunch of political words.
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Zookeeper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-11 12:52 AM
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16. I wonder if these Libertarian/Randian blowhards are prepared...
to have their parents and grandparents move in with them if they succeed in decimating S.S. and Medicare? (That was the norm pre-S.S.) Although, based on the enthusiasm for letting the uninsured die, they may feel fine about just pushing their elders off a cliff.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-11 01:29 AM
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17. Before they care, they must relive pre-Social Security. Pre-Medicare.
They will have to not only let the parents move in much earlier, will have to provide for their medical and living expenses.

Before they care, they must experience it.
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chervilant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-11 06:57 AM
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18. It is PAST time to
stop conflating age, race, or ANY OTHER socio-cultural construct with oppression. Our species is indiscriminate when it comes to oppression. We've visited it upon virtually every identifiable individual, race, or gender. AND, historically, the oppressors are those who have the necessary wealth--thus, the power--to inflict their oppression on the rest of us.

The oppression du jour which threatens now to explode into global civil discord is radical income inequity. When less than 400 people worldwide own or control better than 45% of our planet's resources, the other 6,959,122,370 of us will inevitably push back.

It's only a matter of time...
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-11 11:10 AM
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19. Yes.
Way past time. :hi:
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joeybee12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-11 12:13 PM
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21. Divide and conquer...knr
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radhika Donating Member (563 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-11 02:45 PM
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22. Latest in a long history of Bashees...
America always has someone or something to BASH that ends up draining the wealth of the middle and working classes. It usually transfers political power rightward, where it tends to remain. Never, in my lifetime, has there been a concerted organized BASHING against bankers, conservatives or xtians.

Here are the groups that get the organized crapola - and Mr and Mr Voter usually buys in. The messaging expert know how to hit the airwaves just before critical votes. And 'OUR' side usually sits on the sidelines tsking....

Blacks
Jews
Native Americans (them Injuns)
Hispanics
Asians
Gays
Feminists
Hippies
Lefties
Immigrants from anywhere not mentioned above
Teen Moms (minority only - not Bristol Palin of course)
Welfare Queens (hypotheticals)
Libruls
Unions
Public employees

And now, two recent entries:

Old timers - for not dying quickly
Disabled - for not dying either
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