Native Americans were cannibals - Cindy Jacobs

[WillParkinson]

"The Native American people were cannibals and they ate people. And so you can see a manifestation of that in the churches where people turned against people and kind of cannibalized other people’s ministries. So there’s been a lot of prayer over that in Houston, Texas, they’ve done a lot of intercession over that and broke the curses on the land. We just had a prayer meeting in Houston a little a week ago, the governor of Texas, really as an individual instigated this, and 35,000 people showed up to pray and it was only a prayer meeting called within three months, three month period of time. So what happened? The land is starting to rejoice, you see, because of that prayer." - Self-proclaimed prophetess Cindy Jacobs.

http://joemygod.blogspot.com/2011/09/cindy-jacobs-rick-perrys-prayer-rally.html

[eShirl]

1. WTF?

[trusty elf]

22. Indeed!

:crazy::crazy::crazy::crazy::crazy::crazy::crazy::crazy::crazy::crazy::crazy::crazy::crazy::crazy::crazy::crazy::crazy::crazy::crazy::crazy::crazy::crazy::crazy::crazy::crazy::crazy::crazy::crazy::crazy::crazy::crazy::crazy::crazy::crazy::crazy::crazy::crazy::crazy::crazy::crazy::crazy::crazy::crazy:

[L. Coyote]

24. Far right, on the rocks, what's that racoon screwing with?

[xchrom]

2. dear god: please hear my prayer?

if a house should drop on cindy jacobs, i pray nothing will stop it from happening.

amen

[WillParkinson]

12. Thanks Xchrom...thanks a lot

Now I've got the Wicked Witch theme stuck in my head. :P

[xchrom]

17. always happy to help!

:evilgrin:

[KurtNYC]

3. and then they performed communion for the 35,000 (?)

[Lucian]

4. Wow. She really has no idea about Native American history.

And the more I read about Rick Perry, the more crazy he sounds.

:wtf:

[Abin Sur]

16. While she does indeed peg the needle on the "nut" meter...

In all fairness, a quick Google search seems to indicate that many Native American cultures did in fact practice cannibalism.

http://faculty.marianopolis.edu/c.belanger/QuebecHistory/encyclopedia/cannibalism.htm

[L. Coyote]

21. Do bnot trust anyone who wasn't there. There is NOT ONE witness in all of history

that a Native America has ever committed cannibalism. There were propagandists who wrote they ate up to 80,000 people in one day, but nary a witness EVER.

The Cannibalism Paradigm: Assessing Contact Period Ethnohistorical Discourse.
http://jqjacobs.net/anthro/cannibalism.html

[jwirr]

27. I agree with you. They lived in a time that was dangerous and hard

enough to survive in as it was - why would they further endanger themselves by cannibalism.

[RaleighNCDUer]

30. Because they ate the witnesses?

Seriously, the only evidence for cannibalism I've heard of was in a single cliff dwelling in the SW, where there were numerous skeletons that showed signs of being worked, and bones cracked for marrow. It was likely that it was a famine time, and there was no evidence that they were killed to be eaten, so it could have as easily been they were consuming their dead under extreme circumstances - if it works for Peruvian soccer players, why not them?

There may, or may not, have been ritual cannibalism connected to Aztec rites, where we know they slaughtered thousands, but that, also, was based of biased reports of Spanish conquerors. The slaughter is easily confirmed - the cannibalism, not so much.

I've never heard of any cannibalism being substantiated as being practiced by any of the North American people. This lack of substantiation throws into doubt the 'original' cannibal stories attributed to the Carib people, who were wiped out by Columbus.

[Tyrs WolfDaemon]

37. Salsa was created to help the Aztecs stomach the Spanish Conquistadors

At least that is what my Texas History Teacher told us in Middle School

[RaleighNCDUer]

38. LOL

[CRK7376]

44. BWAHAAAAAAaaaaaa!

Pepsi all over the computer screen over the salsa...What a hoot and I do love me some salsa...

[nadinbrzezinski]

49. What an idiot!

Your teacher that is

[Tyrs WolfDaemon]

53. He was a great teacher

He would throw chalk erasers at us when we answered incorrectly (or said something stupid) and would throw quarters at us when we got things right.
He was one of the best liked teachers at the school.

[nadinbrzezinski]

59. My algebra one teacher was like that

But the statement is stupid, even if in jest.

[nadinbrzezinski]

34. Bernal Diaz del Castillo

Does that work?

What was practiced was highly ritualized and part of human sacrifice. And the cultures of North America did practice it. Read on Cahokia, the mother culture of the Mississippi.

[Xithras]

41. There's evidence of cannibalism on every continent.

Australian aborigines. Brittanic Celts. Native American tribes. African tribes. Indonesian tribes. There is little evidence that it's ever been a widespread or common practice, but ritualistic human cannibalism is not a myth, and it's not confined to any particular race or continent.

[Retrograde]

45. Well said

Pre-contact Americans were most likely neither better nor worse than similar groups of people elsewhere. And like most people, individual tribes thought highly of themselves and not so highly of their neighbors.

I have problems with people using the phrase "native Americans" to mean one single unified culture: they were as varied as, say, Europeans or Asians. Were there cannibals? In 12,000+ years of human habitation, probably, just as there were on every other continent.

[closeupready]

47. Europe of the Middle Ages, too.

nt

[WinkyDink]

66. I've read pretty much of Europe during the MA, so could you provide evidence?

[closeupready]

68. I'll have to find the source upon which I'm relying.

I don't have it off the top of my head, but I recall reading it fairly recently.

[closeupready]

69. This is not the same source, rather a different one

which I found just now.



Again, I will try to find the other one.

[lumberjack_jeff]

57. Yup.

The first peoples were inarguably people. When humans left africa, some took a left and others hung a right. The two groups reunited in the new world only to find that we shared a bunch of really nasty primate behaviors.

[demigoddess]

54. I do not believe that ****! this is probably white men projecting

their own practices onto the native american when they feel the 'other' is inferior. When the native americans were here alone, without the white man, their standard of living was pretty darn good. it was when the white man arrived and put stress on their lives that they lost much of their wealth and had hard times. I also have not believed that the Aztec and Mayans practiced cannibalism even though the history books say so. I think they are trying to explain the unknown with something gruesome just because they don't know.

[nadinbrzezinski]

60. Hmm the archeological record says otherwise

Serious.

It wasn't as wide spread as the black legend might tell you...and it was ritual in nature.

Realize many practice a form of it, every time communion is done. It is the sharing of the meat of the god. And a lot of it was precisely that.

But there was actual human sacrifice and eating of human flesh. All cultures have shared this at some point.

[jwirr]

26. Native American is an inclusive phrase. It is incorrect to say that

Native American's did something as a whole. One tribe doing it does not make it Native American culture.

She like all the rest of her ilk and idiots and need to go back to school.

[SpiralHawk]

28. Overwhelming Evidence of Mass Cannibalism in Europe

The degrading, debauching, and demented ancestors of today's RepubliBaggers were notorious European cannibals, as the indisputable record shows.

The Europeans -- just horrified at all the inhumane and anti-Christ like actions of their so-called White Brethern -- fled to Turtle Island (North America) which was famous and celebrated for its sophisticated traditions of caring, sharing, and respect.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/evidence-of-mass-cannibalism-uncovered-in-germany-1835341.html

[Abin Sur]

50. "Turtle Island"? n/t

[SpiralHawk]

51. Yep - this (North America) is and always has been Turtle Island

Funny what they do not teach in school.

[Abin Sur]

56. Ok, I wiki'd the term

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turtle_Island_%28North_America%29

It appears to be a name used by several Northeastern Woodland Native American tribes. That hardly makes it the proper name for this continent.

Which, I would note, is not an island...

It should also be pointed out that until people arrived in North America around 16,000 BCE, it didn't have any name at all...and I doubt very much that the name remained the same for the last 18,000 years. Languages change over time.

[SpiralHawk]

58. Well, wiki don't gots the whole story...if you get around in indian country today

and talk with Native folks, you will see that "Turtle Island" is by far the most common term for describing North America -- they even speak of it that way down in good old Tsywatsunyo, as you probably guessed.

Wikipedia would hardly be the first choice source for the deep wisdom of Native America. Hello? There have been 500 years of trashing and marginalizing and exterminating not only native people, but the native WAY. Screw wikipedia as an 'authoritative' source for understanding this continent.

Now as for 'Island' part that you fail to grasp, you need to think BIG.

AtlantiHa went under the swirling seas, and the people went in the West direction until they found the Island shaped like a Turtle. So it has been passed down -- with impeccable reliability -- for the Human Beings.

If you cannot see the turtle, the problem is your myopia -- not the wisdom of the ancestors, or our contemporary Relations.

[Abin Sur]

62. Please tell me you aren't seriously bringing up Atlantis.

I just googled AtlantiHa and it appears to be another term for Atlantis. From the context of your remarks, that seems to be the case (please correct me if I'm wrong). I thought we were discussing the history of North America, not mythology.

And btw..."Tsywatsunyo"?

There have been 500 years of trashing and marginalizing and exterminating not only native people, but the native WAY. Screw wikipedia as an 'authoritative' source for understanding this continent.

Fine, let's stick to the acquired knowledge of anthropologists, historians, biologists, and geologists.

[rpannier]

5. The land is starting to rejoice

Earthquake, flooding in the northeast, drought and fire in Texas and Oklahoma, record heat
If the land is rejoicing, I'd hate to see it when it's angry

[snooper2]

6. This crazy motherfucker, she's got those eyes

:rofl:

At least they are easy to spot on the street...Point and laugh, Point and laugh :rofl:

[Javaman]

11. teh crazy eyes with a 1/2 inch of mascara. nt

[nolabear]

7. *sigh* Sometimes I just want to weep.

[ProfessorGAC]

8. Did She Say It Originally In English?

Because i'm thinking this might be a poor translation. The thing is a rambling mess. It makes no sense at all. I am not sure, except for the cannibal thing, that there is anything with which to disagree. The rest of it is gibberish.

[Ian David]

9. If this were true, then they should have eaten The Brady Family.

"The Indians say they want to have us for dinner! Neato!"

[Javaman]

10. personally speaking, I have no problem with turning the rich and the religious right...

into soylent green.

more of teh fucking crazy from the bearded man worshipers.

[HappyMe]

13. The crazy is reaching critical mass.

It's getting a bit frightening.

[WillParkinson]

14. I'm of mixed emotions about this...

On the one hand when it hits critical mass I want to see them explode.

On the other hand when it hits critical mass I don't want to be there because I'll have Republican all over me.

[HappyMe]

18. lol! Well, that's true.

Wonder if repub burns if it lands on bare skin...

[pipi_k]

15. Well, part of the problem might originate

with the Native Americans themselves.

Back in the early 90s I lived with a man who was a full blooded Mohawk from the Kahnawake reserve in Quebec.

He told me all sorts of stories, and some of them did involve cannibalism. Now, whether he was just pulling my leg, or those were the stories he heard from his parents, who heard them from their parents, etc. (much like some parents in the US use the bogeyman to scare their kids) I have no idea.

But it's not always white people who are just inventing this stuff, trying to make Native Americans into some sort of "savages". Sometimes it's what they're being told by the people who shouldn't be perpetrating that attitude in the first place.

[a la izquierda]

40. One person told you a story...

and so all Native Americans perpetuate the myth. That's your story?
Give me just a small break, will you?

[pipi_k]

48. That's not what I meant at all

I never meant to imply that ALL NA's were telling that story.



But maybe ENOUGH Native Americans told the same story to ENOUGH people to keep the myth going.


Whether they say it because it's what their parents told them...

Or whether they say it to mock the Stupid Whites...and let me tell you I saw lots of NA resentment (from his friends) against whites during my relationship with this man.

Or whether they say it in a sarcastic way, as in: "Yeah...we actually ATE people back then!" with a barely perceptible sneer...

And you know what else? Some tribes didn't get along with other tribes. It would take no stretch of the imagination to say that some tribes may have spread false rumors about another tribe. Rumors that persist to this day.

As much as whites tried to kill off the natives, enough of them managed to survive to make it possible for more than one person to spread a particular falsehood, for whatever reason.

In any event, you have no idea how someone came to believe a falsehood.

It's not a moral failure. It doesn't mean someone is a scumbag or batshit crazy. It means someone heard false information somewhere and that's it.

[a la izquierda]

65. No, I don't know with certainty how...

Europeans came to believe the falsehood, but I can imagine based upon my expertise (I have a PhD in Latin American history). It's called Christianity of the 15th and 16th century variety, making a comeback here in the US in the 21st century. I'm pretty familiar with the Catholic literature of the period, both observed by friars and written by friars with indigenous subjects as guides. White folks interpreted native beliefs how they understood them- as devil worship initially. Of course Native peoples were cannibals to the European eyes(and the Aztecs, scholars are fairly certain, did ritually consume very specific sacrificial victims).

In any event, I misread the tone of your post.

[pipi_k]

74. No problem...

:)

[riverwalker]

19. Cindy's inspiration

"As he aimed his howitzers on an encampment of unarmed Indians at Sand Creek, Colorado, in 1864, an army colonel (and Methodist minister) named John Chivington, who had once said that the
lives of Indian children should not be spared because "nits make lice,"
told his officers: "I have come to kill Indians, and believe it is right and honorable to use any means under God's heaven to kill Indians." Hundreds of Indian women,
children, and old men were slaughtered in the Sand Creek massacre. One officer who was present said later, "Women and children were killed and scalped, children shot at their mother's breasts, and all the bodies mutilated in the most horrible manner. The dead bodies of females were profaned in such a manner that the recital is sickening.
The troopers cut off the vulvas of Indian women, stretched them over their saddle horns, then decorated their hatbands with them; some used the skin of brave's scrotums and the breasts of Indian women as tobacco pouches,
then showed off these trophies, together with the noses and ears of some of the Indians they had massacred, at the Denver Opera House."
http://www.visualstatistics.net/east-west/genocide/genocide.htm

[Octafish]

25. That ''mindset'' is still popular with too many Americans.

The memory hasn't left me since I first read about Sand Creek as a 16-year old. I'm 54 now.

[jwirr]

33. And there were witnesses to these war crimes.

[L. Coyote]

20. Cindy Jacobs has been diagnosed with anthropophagophobia

Pass a fork :rofl:

[enuegii]

23. Well, Cindy Jacobs is batshit crazy...

and you don't even have to be a prophet, self-proclaimed or otherwise, to figure that one out.

[undeterred]

29. Isn't the sacrament of communion cannabalistic?

Oh, never mind.

[madokie]

31. You mean

When they thought about eating pussy they were thinking of really eating pussy :-)

[nadinbrzezinski]

32. At times I wish for the ancient rites

Of the land to come back.

But dear you practice a form of cannibalism if you take the eucharisty.

So let's not go there, ok.

[dembotoz]

35. if we reference the donner party and jeffy dalmer

the same could be said about the rest of us....

[Odin2005]

36. WTF?

[NeedleCast]

39. If By "Land is starting to rejoice" She meant "land is mostly on fire" then she's correct

[WinkyDink]

42. WTH is Cindy Jacobs when she's at home, and why should anyone care?

[Solly Mack]

43. Just stupid white people.

The heartburn was killer.

[Skidmore]

46. Who the heck is Cindy Jacobs and why are we paying attention to her? nt

[musette_sf]

64. She's one of the leading Dominionist propragandists

and we ignore her at our peril.

[themadstork]

52. The also had one eye right in the middle of their forehead

and it could see through steel.

[graywarrior]

55. LOL, she took Montaigne literally?

[11 Bravo]

61. EAT ME, Cindy! (Now you can be a cannibal too, you ignorant twit.)

[musette_sf]

63. I'm currently reading some of this nitwit's "works" right now...

I've been aware of the Dominionist movement for quite some time now. But I now feel it necessary to study up on them by reading their garbage first-hand.

Here's a few more examples of Ms Jacob's lying hyperbole:

"Twice as many Christians died as martyrs in the twentieth century as did in the previous nineteen hundred years."

"The only governmental systems that work on the earth are those based on Biblical principles."

These people will just make it up, and then throw that raw meat out to those who don't, or won't, know any better.

[Matariki]

67. Do we need to pay attention to every crazy person in America?

[WillParkinson]

70. Sadly it seems so...

Got to keep track of the dangerous ones.

[Zorra]

71. Another Scary Crazy Republican Church Lady.

Basically the same Scary Crazy Republican Church Lady that accosted you on the street 25 years ago and screamed "THE WORLD IS ENDING! THE WORLD IS ENDING!" in your face.

[Marnie]

72. I am not expert but I am a big reader of early Texas history

and I don't remember seeing any reliable, and that is the key, reliable stories about cannibalism.

Accusing a people you want driven to extension of some heinous act is good PR. Like the real blood libels,and accusations that lead to witch burnings, etc.

Plus what the hell do the early Indians eating habits have to do with Whorehouse Perry's prayers?

Talk about the lunatic fringe.

[jtuck004]

73. I wonder if she ever read that Virginians (1619) dug up and ate the corpses...

By his report, in writing, in the archives of Virginia, their written history. Reading this made me feel I was lied to about the first "Thanksgiving" during 12 years of schooling, so thank you for your work, Mr. Zinn.

___________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________

"In the Journals of the House of Burgesses of Virginia is a document of 1619 which tells of the first twelve years of the Jamestown colony. The first settlement had a hundred persons, who had one small ladle of barley per meal. When more people arrived, there was even less food. Many of the people lived in cavelike holes dug into the ground, and in the winter of 1609-1610, they were ... driven thru insufferable hunger to eat those things which nature most abhorred, the flesh and excrements of man as well of our own nation as of an Indian, digged by some out of his grave after he had lain buried three days and wholly devoured him; others, envying the better state of body of any whom hunger has not yet so much wasted as their own, lay wait and threatened to kill and eat them; one among them slew his wife as she slept in his bosom, cut her in pieces, salted her and fed upon her till he had clean devoured all parts saving her head.."


A People's History of the United States
Howard Zinn

[sarcasmo]

75. From this Cherokee to Cindy Jacobs.

FUCK YOU!