Supreme Court is asked about jails’ blanket strip-search policies

[alp227]

Source: The Washington Post

NEWARK — Almost everyone can agree that what happened to Albert Florence in 2005 sounds shocking.

A New Jersey state trooper pulled over their car as Florence and his family were on their way to his mother-in-law’s to celebrate their new home. He was handcuffed and arrested in front of his distraught, pregnant wife and young son.

He spent seven days in jail because of a warrant that said, mistakenly, he was wanted for failure to pay a court fine. In fact, he carried proof that the fine had been paid years earlier.

And he was strip-searched twice, the humiliation that he says most remains with him six years later.

Read more: http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/supreme-court-is-asked-about-jails-blanket-strip-search-policies/2011/09/09/gIQAuc6vNK_singlePage.html

[midnight]

1. Just love that patriot act.... It shows America how a traffic

stop leaves you without any rights....

[boppers]

2. Oh, this shit pre-dates patriot.

By about 40 years.

[boppers]

3. His idea of "humiliation" is a strip search?

We are shooting people in the head for driving too fast in Iraq.
We are blowing people into gore for having the wrong guests at a wedding party in Pakistan.

Dude, while it's a total bummer you had to get naked, get some perspective.

[Mojorabbit]

4. I think being forced into a situation

where one ends up stripped naked, vulnerable, and powerless might well haunt a normal person.

[boppers]

7. It's happened to me at least 30 times in my life.

Maybe I'm unreasonably jaded, and have left the realm of "normal".

[saras]

5. So we'll start shooting bad drivers here. That'll make everything fine for you, right?

It's just not your place to be telling innocents that being molested isn't bad enough for them.

And the fact that sociopathic murderers exist elsewhere on the planet really has no bearing on whether multiple strip-searches are appropriate for someone who has done nothing at all.

[Heywood J]

6. Wow.

That's quite the disrespect you've got going on for a victim of police brutality. The thoughtlessness and shallowness of your post both fascinates and amuses me.

[boppers]

8. If being naked in the presence of others is brutality:

Avoid doctors, spouses, locker rooms, waxing, massage, and Burning Man.

Oh, and jail, of course.

[Mojorabbit]

9. It is not just being naked, it is being forced to be naked

against one's will while powerless to resist. That is totally different than chosing to be naked.

[boppers]

10. Ah, yes, "do not be born and need diaper changes". Forgot that one.

Somebody might change a diaper against your will, and see you naked!

Less flippantly, "choosing" not to be naked in a high-threat environment is like "choosing" to be in a threat-less environment.

It's a choice not grounded in reality.

[sabrina 1]

15. Maybe in your reality, which sounds pretty horrific.

[boppers]

17. ACK

In my reality, people kill each other over their sky-gods. They're willing to murder thousands.... just to make a point, or get "justice". It's pretty fucking ugly.

[ohheckyeah]

12. One word comes to mind to explain that post:

obtuse.

[boppers]

13. Alcohol

Experience
Openness
Unabashed
Shameless
Fearless
Exhibitionist
Naturalist

Lots of words can explain why I don't have a Victorian attitude about my ankles, or asshole, being exposed to others.

I will admit to being ignorant of why people should be ashamed of being naked. My brain doesn't live in that space.

[sabrina 1]

14. If your doctor, spouse, or team-mates, masseuse or anyone else

forces you to strip naked, they can be arrested. Was that a joke?

[boppers]

18. It was snark about the pearl-clutching, puritanical, attitudes about nudity.

Is a naked body a bad thing?
Is a body forced to be naked a bad thing?

I suggest we ask other primates.... who don't bother with "clothing", so shedding it is no issue.

[sabrina 1]

19. It's not about the naked body.

I'm fine with a totally naked world. It's about control and losing it to people in uniforms. Eg, if we were all naked and someone in a uniform forced us to put clothes ON, I feel the same way about it. In fact I think that has been done to native people in lands invaded by Western society. It's the motive that matters.

[The Genealogist]

11. So your contention is that this is acceptible...

because of these other things going on?

[boppers]

16. My contention would be:

That simply being naked doesn't harm people, end your life, or end the lives of others.

We are born this way, naked.

If a person feels shame about being naked, the problem isn't the clothes they do, or do not, wear.

The problem is caring about being "naked".