GOP crowd screams for man to DIE!!!

[FarLeftFist]

Out loud. American unity has finally collapsed.

Edit: On the note of repealing "Obamacare" and having no mandate in place, Wolf asks "Should society just let this man die?" The crowd screams "Yeah" and "Yes". The scenario was a 30 yr old man who is uninsured and needs 6 months of ICU care but can't afford it and has no insurance. They advocated to let a 30 YEAR OLD man die!

[neverforget]

1. Blood thirsty.

[FourScore]

29. Here's the video

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=385x616159

[FarLeftFist]

2. "Should society let this man die?" YES!" Sickening. I'm embarrassed for America.

[Telly Savalas]

123. A handful of douchebags who are motivated enough by wingnut politics

to attend a Tea Party debate are not representative of America.

Americans are largely good, compassionate people. Some of these good, compassionate people may have some weird political ideas, and many more of them are pretty disengaged from the system altogether, but the sort of cousinfuckers that proudly cheer on the death of their fellow citizens do not represent the mainstream of American opinion.

[doc03]

3. Was that when Wolfie asked if a person should be just allowed

to die if he doesn't have insurance?

[Joe the Revelator]

7. If that's the case, is should be played over and over and over and over

Forever.

[Parker CA]

12. Yes. 30 year old without insurance who needs six months of care. Treat or let him die? Just insane.

[FarLeftFist]

13. Yes. That was it. The crowd screams YES and YEAH.

[ChillbertKChesterton]

43. Look at this list of the Best Books of All Time

Compare the board's selections vs the reader's list:

http://www.modernlibrary.com/top-100/100-best-novels/


none of this surprises me

[barbtries]

90. wow.

who are the responders?

[hifiguy]

93. That poll was heavily Freeped at the top

that is the only explanation.

[white_wolf]

103. Altas Shrugged,The Fountain Head, and Battlefield Earth do not deserve

to be listed ahead of the The Lord of the Rings, but I do agree with the readers list that it should have been in the top 10. For some reason it is never considered good enough for theses lists and that makes me think the people making them haven't studied Tolkien's world.

[MedicalAdmin]

104. I agree although to be fair...

... there are some good books on the readers list too - just farther down and after the crap.

[provis99]

115. this could use its own OP.

I take it the readers' list was exclusively given to freepers and libertarian psychos.
Atlas Shrugged, Battlefield Earth, Dune, Lord of the Rings, the fascist Heinlein stuff, Gone With the Wind (oh fer chrissakes...), it's all there. Right out of RimJob's bookshelf.

[stevedeshazer]

4. That was a dark moment.

:(

[laruemtt]

5. i think even wolfie

was startled by that. they're certifiable.

[Joe the Revelator]

6. Details?

[markpkessinger]

9. Yes, for those of us who cannot watch at the moment, what are the details of this story?

[laruemtt]

14. wolf was asking

what they would do about a 30-year-old uninsured person who needed intensive medical care for 6 months - let him die? the audience cheered yes! very very scary.

[markpkessinger]

34. That leaves me utterly speechles n/t

[FarLeftFist]

11. Talking about a man with no health insurance who needs 6 months of ICU care

Wolf asks Ron Paul "Should society just let him die?" The crowd screams YES!

[polmaven]

39. And what was the

answer from whichever candidate was asked?

[anneboleyn]

54. Ron Paul. Paul replied that nobody should depend on the gov. for help

He said that in the "old days" doctors, hospitals, and local churches (and so on) would step in to help in cases like these, providing various forms of assistance and charity. But he did make the point that the government should not be expected to help in such a situation. He did not respond directly to the "Let him die" screams from the audience.

[Art_from_Ark]

62. In the "old days" many people would fall through the cracks

That's why Lyndon Johnson pushed so hard to get the Medicare program started.

[Chemisse]

66. You could tell he knew he had backed himself into a corner on that

It looked to me that he wanted to say yeah, let him die, but he knew he shouldn't, so he just stumbled a bit and steered away from the question.

It's really amazing how low the Tea Partiers have sunk.

[Waiting For Everyman]

75. Medical costs were very, very, very much lower too. Nothing like today.

[woo me with science]

91. +1

[MedicalAdmin]

105. That's because Ol' Massa, er, Ron Paul agrees.

Unfreaking believable but it doesn't surprise me.

I've been saying it for years... this country is done. I would like to submit this video your honor as defense exhibit #9142.

[MedicalAdmin]

106. And in the "good" old days unemployment was about 5%.

These days the real number are north of 20%. Charity cannot make up that deficit given how inherently inefficient the private administration of health care is. The problem is that the problem is too big and a patchwork wishful thinking solution just won't do. It is yesterdays solution for todays problem.

And let's not forget the days before the "good" old days when this shit WASN'T covered by hospitals, doctors, etc.... The truth is that the good old days didn't exist except in fairy tales.

[Posteritatis]

109. He dodged the question. (nt)

[quinnox]

8. This crowd should be checked out by homeland security after the debate

as possible dangers to civilized society!

[JoePhilly]

10. Can't get much more insane.

[Rochester]

15. Everyone in that audience should be sent to prison

[SammyWinstonJack]

83. And there they would receive health care. Gotta love it!

:evilgrin:

[w0nderer]

114. 12x5.56mm, cheapo pine special, bill to family n/t

[Rochester]

118. heh, I was thinking more along the lines of a gulag

no health care, no food unless they grow it themselves, give those bastards a taste of their own medicine

[Denninmi]

16. Welcome to the Fourth Reich.

[woo me with science]

44. That was actually my first association, too. The dehumanization of the poor

is getting very frightening.

I know I have posted this a few times, and others have too, but just in case you have not seen it:

http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/thu-august-18-2011/world-of-class-warfare---the-poor-s-free-ride-is-over

This is Jon Stewart's COMEDY segment about the war on the poor. The whole thing is brilliant and enraging, but the part near the end with a compilation of TV pundits' recent comments about poor people will horrify you.

[dixiegrrrrl]

102. "99.6% of the poor have refridgerators" ..boooo hisssss

irresponsible frivolous idiots, the poor.
:sarcasm:

[Supersedeas]

76. something is brewing in the underbelly of American politics--Media elements are fanning the flames

[DearAbby]

17. Jesus wept.

[Skip Intro]

18. That was unbelievable, but it did sound like a couple of people. I hope they don't represent

anywhere near the majority of those there, or the repub party as a whole, but then again, these are the repubs we're talking about.

But yeah, the "YES" sounded almost giddy at the idea.

Sickening.

[WinkyDink]

68. "Now who's being naive, Kay?" The first audience cheered Perry's execution rate.

[spanone]

19. would they exempt their moms, dads, kids, themselves....of course they would

fucking lowest common denominator = republican party

[doc03]

28. Probably wouldn't if they had money and they were in

their will, after all they are greedy Republicans.

[WinkyDink]

69. Don't be so sure about those first 3 groups.

[MedicalAdmin]

107. 2 systems of justice; one rich and one poor...

coupled with the delusion that the teapublicans will never be one of "those" people.

[devilgrrl]

20. I hope someone uploads the video online

eom

[opiate69]

23. Me too.. soon as it does, it's getting blasted to my Facebook for sure

[FourScore]

30. Here's the video

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=385x616159

[opiate69]

31. Thanks FourScore

[anneboleyn]

50. Can someone PLEASE post this to youtube so people can see it??

I am not skilled enough to do this, but I really hope this gets out there so people can see what the Tea Party is actually about.

[FarLeftFist]

21. ALSO no offense, but it seems like EVERYONE AGAINST HC reform is VERY OBESE.

Almost the entire audience is extremely unhealthy.

[la la]

26. ...they look like the audience from the rush limbaugh show...

...if you can remember back that far...suits, ties, dorky haircuts, overweight, teased hair, ugly dresses.....sorry--but that's exactly what they all look like--

[WinkyDink]

70. What doofus remarks. Yeah, no normal-sized moronic greedheads in this country.

http://www.eastvalleytribune.com/arizona/politics/article_c6750df8-ddda-11e0-a65f-001cc4c03286.html?mode=image&photo=1



You don't think a crowd of Democrats would all be svelte, do you?

[MedicalAdmin]

108. IS that Adolph in the 2nd row, 2nd from the right?

Seriously it looks like a young Schicklgruber.

[high density]

22. It feels like watching a movie

I mean this presentation on CNN is so crazy and out of the mainstream, it just doesn't seem possible.

[la la]

24. the teabaggers/repubs either want the public to

be executed or die - one way or another--what nazis these people are.....and i've never used that word about anyone.... i'm truly disgusted.

[doc03]

25. Strange they oppose people being forced to buy health

care insurance, they say it is unconstitutional. They claim the HCR bill has death panels. Yet if a young man is sick and doesn't have insurance they say we should just let him die. :crazy:

[WinkyDink]

71. There is no contradiction here. If he cannot pay, he dies. They don't want him or themselves made to

buy insurance.

And neither do I. How would this young man be helped by having to spend more of what he doesn't have to help Aetna or Blue Cross make a higher profit? Is it better to bankrupt him?

The HC system needs overhauling and humaneness, but mandatory for-profit insurance isn't the way. Instead of going to the War Machine to kill, our tax monies should be going to the HealthCare system, to heal.

Obama behaves like Canada and Europe don't exist.

[MedicalAdmin]

110. It's Nimbyism.

It could NEVER happen to them.

[NNN0LHI]

27. Not much diversity in the audience at this Klan rally tonight is there?

[Adenoid_Hynkel]

32. Now what was it Alan Grayson said again?

and how was it so out of line?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-usmvYOPfco&feature=player_embedded

[DonCoquixote]

33. What is worse

This is in Tampa, right of the heart of the 1-4 corridor in Florida where the Tea Party is best equipped to steal votes. This si where the last confederates hooked up with the New Yankers that keep saying "I already paid for schools up north!"

[scorpiogirl]

35. The scenario was more likely to be that

his company doesn't offer insurance and that's why he has none. Not because he chooses not to. That's way more common and under represented in my opinion.

[WillowTree]

79. The scenario was actually that he chose not to buy insurance because he was healthy & then got sick.

[UTUSN]

36. K&R #16 n/t

[krabigirl]

37. omfg.....

[Odin2005]

38. Psychopaths.

[my2sense]

40. But they are AGAINST abortion

A bunch of hypocrites and psychopaths.

[lib2DaBone]

41. Republicans are blood thirsty ghouls....

They want to put their 75-year-old parents out on the labor line so they can enjoy a second house in the Bahamahs and a new BMW.

The old Republican mantra was , "I got mine and screw you".

The New Republican mantra is, "I got mine and give me yours".

[MedicalAdmin]

111. I fixed it for you.

The New Republican mantra is, "I got mine and give me yours, and then bend over and let me fuck you and your kids."

[markpkessinger]

42. I know there are decent rank and file Republicans out there . . .

. . . some of them among my own family even. But the thing I intend to point out to them at my next opportunity is that it is no longer people like them that are running the GOP show. The inmates are now fully in charge of the asylum. Many every day folks who are Republicans live in a kind of fantasyland of denialism, preferring to avert their eyes to the extremism that has taken over their party rather than confront the painful reality of what their party has become, and of the wider ramifications of their continued support.

In the years since 9/11, whenever I have reminded some of my more conservative family members and others that the events of 9/11 were the work of a small group of extremists and that we should not judge the entire Muslim community by the actions of a few, I have typically received a response of, "Well, then why aren't more of these moderate Muslims speaking out more forcefully against the terrorists?" (The truth was, many did speak out, but let's leave that aside for now.) Unless I see a major repudiation by the GOP of the responses both to Rick Perry in the last debate, and to the question in this debate, I intend to throw that standard right back at them, asking why more Republicans haven't distanced themselves from such extremist positions.

[sabrina 1]

45. Finally, a real Death Panel on National TV!

Completely unconscionable. These are very disturbed people. Traumatized by decades of violent rhetoric and partisan propaganda. Propaganda that encourages them to cheer for death and destruction while waving their made-in-China flags.

[woo me with science]

46. K&R

[mentalsolstice]

47. I read something like this & my husband wonders why...

Why I have to add a shot of Tequila to my Mike's Hard Whatever? I put my head in my hands in shame. I cannot be a proud American when I see this kind of news.

[Mimosa]

112. I understand completely, MentalSolstice!

I'll join you. ;)

[ingac70]

48. The same people who put on the fake act over Terry Schiavo. n/t

[Lost-in-FL]

55. +1

Don't expect anyone from the FL GOP apologizing over that crowd. Of course, they will blame Wolf for it. :eyes:

[Occulus]

49. That's more than a little bit chilling

'Category I' chilling.

Sorry, that was a "Miracle Day" reference. Fiction, but if the foo shits, and all...

[Bluebear]

51. Sociopaths

[me b zola]

52. Death panel n/t

[lpbk2713]

53. Alan Grayson had the rethuglicants pegged.

And that is why they spent so much money on his opponent's campaign.

[TwilightGardener]

56. Well, America had a good run.

[samsingh]

57. this folks is what we are dealing with

no amount of compromise will work.

these are assholes who don't care about life. they are bloodthirsty vermin.

they are barely human, and collectively have iqs that approach moronity.

assholes all of them.

[Lizzie Poppet]

65. And the sooner we accept that there's no coexisting with them, the better.

This country needs to pack it in...and split into several smaller, regional polities. The age of the continent-spanning nation-state is ending.

Problem is, our divisions aren't really geographical. People like those d-bags in the video are mixed in with everyone else...and most states have a fairly even mix, socio-politically. So our process of breaking apart is likely to be painful, even violent.

[Tx4obama]

58. Here's the transcript (without the comments from the crowd)

http://archives.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1109/12/se.06.html

Excerpt:

BLITZER: Thank you, Governor. Before I get to Michele Bachmann, I want to just -- you're a physician, Ron Paul, so you're a doctor. You know something about this subject. Let me ask you this hypothetical question.

A healthy 30-year-old young man has a good job, makes a good living, but decides, you know what? I'm not going to spend $200 or $300 a month for health insurance because I'm healthy, I don't need it. But something terrible happens, all of a sudden he needs it.

Who's going to pay if he goes into a coma, for example? Who pays for that?

PAUL: Well, in a society that you accept welfarism and socialism, he expects the government to take care of him.

BLITZER: Well, what do you want?

PAUL: But what he should do is whatever he wants to do, and assume responsibility for himself. My advice to him would have a major medical policy, but not be forced --

BLITZER: But he doesn't have that. He doesn't have it, and he needs intensive care for six months. Who pays?

PAUL: That's what freedom is all about, taking your own risks. This whole idea that you have to prepare and take care of everybody --

(APPLAUSE)

BLITZER: But Congressman, are you saying that society should just let him die?

PAUL: No. I practiced medicine before we had Medicaid, in the early 1960s, when I got out of medical school. I practiced at Santa Rosa Hospital in San Antonio, and the churches took care of them. We never turned anybody away from the hospitals.

APPLAUSE)

PAUL: And we've given up on this whole concept that we might take care of ourselves and assume responsibility for ourselves. Our neighbors, our friends, our churches would do it. This whole idea, that's the reason the cost is so high.

The cost is so high because they dump it on the government, it becomes a bureaucracy. It becomes special interests. It kowtows to the insurance companies and the drug companies, and then on top of that, you have the inflation. The inflation devalues the dollar, we have lack of competition.

PAUL: There's no competition in medicine. Everybody is protected by licensing. And we should actually legalize alternative health care, allow people to practice what they want.

(APPLAUSE)

SNIP

[Nordmadr]

78. This is how people have been propagandized to think.

The media machine propogates these very ideas. It makes me sad for where this country is likely going and for the lost potential and missed opportunities.

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

59. That hypothetical man is sadly the teabagger's target demo

It's like a guy who called Ed Schultz during the HCR debacle saying he couldn't afford health insurance even with his job and therefore "Didn't deserve it because if you can't afford it that's just how it is" and how he was raised. Mind numbing.

[JHB]

73. You're quite right... Hypothetical Man **could** afford it bit chose not to...

The situation was specifically a young man with a good job, but chose not to spend a few hundred on health insurance. He wasn't poor or needy, just someone who wasn't paying into the system before they needed it.

But hey, he took a wrong step, so it's thumbs down on the Teabagger Death Panel for him!

[Number23]

60. Good God.

Disgusting.

[StarsInHerHair]

61. well they're 'pro-life' so what else should be expected? they dont care about anyone

but themselves

[Tx4obama]

63. Alan Grayson Blasts Tea Party Debate Audience's Reaction To Health Care Question: 'It's Sadism'

Alan Grayson Blasts Tea Party Debate Audience's Reaction To Health Care Question: 'It's Sadism'
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x1928870

[WinkyDink]

72. The audience is merely a reflection. Blame the educated rich men in charge.

[blkmusclmachine]

64. THERE'S the GOP's so-called "Death Panels:"

GOP tries to pin their sick fantasies on decent society. Just another in a litany of GOP projections. These people are fucking traitors. Sick. Sick. Sick.

[WinkyDink]

67. We are a nation of thugs. and anyone who doesn't think they, like Chuck Colson before he found God,

would NOT run over their own Grandmothers, is sadly and sorely underestimating our capacity for home-grown Fascism and jack-bootery.

Those gangs of "shoplifters," as some here so quaintly characterize them, are the canary in the coal-mine.

[SmileyRose]

74. Facts in the OP do not match the facts in the video

Wolf's scenario stated the guy had a good job and COULD afford it but made a choice not to buy health insurance. Not that he couldn't afford it.

I don't agree with that crowd, but there's a world of difference between callousness toward someone who COULD have taken care of their own needs and callousness to someone who can't. I can understand where the crowd is coming from on this one but I disagree.

IMHO I would fully expect a 30 yr old with a reasonably good life to think they are invincible. None of us is really prepared for when crisis comes. That's why I think we should all be in Medicare. Everyone in, no one out. Because I don't want a Dr. standing there wondering if this guys insurance will ever pay up or if this coma patient even has insurance, or how rich the heart attach patient is.

When our lives in the balance the last thing a doctor needs is to be thinking about whether or not he'll get paid.

[Leftist Agitator]

77. Well...

"IMHO I would fully expect a 30 yr old with a reasonably good life to think they are invincible."

I find this offensive. A 30 year old person knows that they are very much mortal, and has likely had more than one incident that personally reminds them of this fact.

Perhaps you were thinking of a 16 year old kid?

:eyes:

[WillowTree]

80. But the actual scenario posed was a 30 year old who chose not to buy it.

[Zywiec]

101. Don't let the facts get in the way of a good story! n/t

[Shagbark Hickory]

81. He's not a fetus anymore. His right to live has expired. n/t

[Safetykitten]

82. Hideous. Are we better when we play games with constant threats of cutting programs?

[samsingh]

84. kick so we never forget what filth we're dealing with

[Mr Dixon]

85. IMO

[lucca18]

86. Shameful

Where is their humanity?

[marions ghost]

87. let it happen to their son

and they would be the first to scream about letting him die.

This is the level that America has sunk to.

[Rex]

88. They are Repukes, they are garbage, they are scum.

What? Was there ever any wonder?

[barbtries]

89. yep.

we have become an unbearably mean people.

[HomerRamone]

94. Whaddya mean "we"?

Just a hyped-up, overhyped, subsidized minority of asses...

[barbtries]

124. the rhetorical "we"

the country. people all over the tv as i understand it.

[hifiguy]

92. Yes, it is fascism now

and the last two Repuke TV circuses featuring talking farm animals - both on stage and in the audience -prove it.

[Drew Richards]

96. Republican Family Values man

Between 1939 and 1945, the SS, assisted by collaborationist governments and recruits from occupied countries, systematically killed about 11 million people, including about 6 million Jews,in concentration camps, ghettos, and mass executions, or through less systematic methods elsewhere. Besides being gassed to death, many also died of starvation and disease while working as slave laborers. Along with Jews, non-Jewish Poles (over 3 million of whom died), alleged communists, political opposition, members of resistance groups, resisting Roman Catholics and Protestants, homosexuals, Roma, the physically handicapped and mentally retarded, Soviet prisoners of war, Jehovah's Witnesses, anti-Nazi clergy, trade unionists, and psychiatric patients were killed. This industrial-scale genocide in Europe is referred to as the Holocaust.

[Weird Liberal Head]

95. Yeah

I was seriously disturbed by this, but I was NOT surprised.
Not anymore.

[SoapBox]

97. Wake up Lemmings of America!

...is this truly what you want?

I find it hard to believe.

These TeaTurd / GOPBaggers are a RADICAL minority...wake the F up and keep them out of government.

[Liberal In Texas]

98. You mean like a DEATH PANEL???

Projection.

[SnakeEyes]

99. It's a few paulites

Frankly I couldn't care less, Ron Paul or any randite libertarian has no chance to even win the nomination

[Zywiec]

100. Wrong scenario yet again, but at least you don't have the people yelling for him to die.

Here is the real scenario:

BLITZER: Thank you, Governor. Before I get to Michele Bachmann, I want to just — you’re a physician, Ron Paul, so you’re a doctor. You know something about this subject. Let me ask you this hypothetical question.

A healthy 30-year-old young man has a good job, makes a good living, but decides, you know what? I’m not going to spend $200 or $300 a month for health insurance because I’m healthy, I don’t need it. But something terrible happens, all of a sudden he needs it.


Your scenario:

The scenario was a 30 yr old man who is uninsured and needs 6 months of ICU care but can't afford it and has no insurance.

See the difference?

:shrug:

[Mimosa]

113. Good point, Zywiec

It is even more true of those of us over 50 who aren't poor enough for medicaid and can't afford $1000 a month for insurance. Remember premiums are age related.

[Sabien]

116. Death Panel?

This must be the Death Panel that the tea party types love to talk about.

The debate was co-sponsored by the "Tea Party Express" right?

[kestrel91316]

117. I just watched Apocalypto, that extremely gruesome, violent film by

our favorite compassionate "christian", Mel Gibson. What the teabaggers last night remind me of more than anything else is the scene where the Mayan hordes are at the foot of the temple, screaming for more and more bloody sacrifices, and the priests send the bloodied victims' heads and then bodies tumbling down the steps one after the other, happy to give them a show.

[jimlup]

119. Since WII "American unity" was always a propaganda illusion.

Can we just form a separate America from these ignorant slobs?

[Ricochet21]

120. There are two Americas

the Civil War II started when Obama was elected.
That's why the huge earthquake was between Washington DC and Richmond
Taint no coincidence

[hayrow]

121. A scenerio from not long ago

The company I worked for had decent major medical insurance. One of our employees on the health plan was a pregnant single woman. The baby was born a couple of months pre-mature and required more than standard care. Because the woman did not have family health coverage, the major medical plan refused to cover the expenses of the baby for the month the woman delivered the baby and did not have family coverage. The subhuman tea bag scum will fight like heck to stop abortions, but would seem to have no problem allowing a baby without insurance to die. If only those freaking tea-baggers could be sent to an island or Siberia or somewhere so that they could leave the decent alone.

[nadinbrzezinski]

122. Fascism

It's here.

[Scurrilous]

125. Kick

:kick:

[gulliver]

126. That really is the sunlight question for Republicans

Are you just going to let them die?

Republicans and their ravening base, the Tea Party, get by too easy otherwise. They don't want to be responsible for letting people die. They just want to let them die and have the knowledge of it go away in a puff of magic. They just want the sick people who aren't covered by insurance not to exist in reality. They think they can vote and wish that into existence. If enough of them agree to agree with each other, it worked.

[moondust]

127. The rest of the story.

The Teabaggers got a law passed that allowed the doctors to let him die because he had no insurance.

A week after his death they found out that the guy had had a change of heart and had actually enrolled in a health insurance plan before the accident. His check to the insurance company was in the mail.

Too bad. Timing is everything.