If we have any respect for history or humanity, we shld remove 9/11 from our collective consciousnes

[ellenrr]

Tom Englehardt:

And yet - another sign of where we were heading - anyone who suggested that this wasn't war, that it was a criminal act and some sort of international police action was in order, was simply laughed (or derided or insulted) out of the American room. And so the empire prepared to strike back (just as Osama bin Laden hoped it would) in an apocalyptic, planet-wide "war" for domination that masqueraded as a war for survival.

In the meantime, the populace was mustered through repetitive, nationwide 9/11 rites emphasising that we Americans were the greatest victims, greatest survivors, and greatest dominators on planet Earth. It was in this cause that the dead of 9/11 were turned into potent recruiting agents for a revitalised American way of war.

From all this, in the brief mission-accomplished months after Kabul and then Baghdad fell, American hubris seemed to know no bounds - and it was this moment, not 9/11 itself, from which the true inspiration for the gargantuan "Freedom Tower" and the then-billion-dollar project for a memorial on the site of the New York attacks would materialise. It was this sense of hubris that those gargantuan projects were intended to memorialise.

On the tenth anniversary of 9/11, for an imperial power that is distinctly tattered, visibly in decline, teetering at the edge of financial disaster, and battered by never-ending wars, political paralysis, terrible economic times, disintegrating infrastructure, and weird weather, all of this should be simple and obvious. That it's not tells us much about the kind of shock therapy we still


http://english.aljazeera.net/indepth/opinion/2011/09/2011910125513799497.html

[ixion]

1. k/r (rec to 0)

[Waiting For Everyman]

2. What I see from thoughts like this is that the Left is politicizing this as much as the Right.

Both need to stop it.

What overblown whining about a simply sad day of loss! The event of 9/11 is not the wars. They are two different things. The Left refutes the linkage (correctly) and then turns around and links them again. WTF.

[ellenrr]

4. agree. I'm surprised that Pacifica station wbai for example

is still asking people "where were you on 9/11?"

I understand that for the people who were involved, losing loved ones, just being in NYC and seeing the horror, they were impacted beyond anything I can comprehend.

But for the rest of us - get over it, get on. We have a right-wing aiming for a palace coup in 2012, we are descending quickly into fascism, let us concentrate on today and continue to do what needs to be done.

I think people on the right are victims of propagandizing but those on the left are also victims - of the drama of this event. That is what compells people to keep watching the same images again and again.
It's like an addiction. They need to grieve if need be and then get on.

[BeFree]

5. The one event that still effects the world?

And you want that we should just forget it like it never happened?

Even tho its cascading effects mean that even today people are being slaughtered in its name.

And you think we should just pretend like it never even happened? Bury our heads in the sand?

You don't even know what really happened that day. And you don't even want to know? You're kidding, right?

[Possumpoint]

3. Unrecommeded

Claptrap based on faulty premise.

[RaleighNCDUer]

6. What is the faulty premise? nt

[Possumpoint]

11. In Reply

Wasn't acts of war.

[RaleighNCDUer]

13. Huh?

It WASN'T an act of war. Criminal organizations, no matter how bloated their ego, cannot declare war on a nation.

Are you saying it WAS an act of war?

Perhaps you should reply in more depth, cuz I just don't get what you are saying.

What was the faulty premise, and who are you saying made it.

Since you unrecced, I assume you thought the author of the article made the faulty premise. And his premise was that the 9/11 attacks were not acts of war. We responded as a nation with war, to what was a mere (if devastating) terrorist attack, which the host nation (Afghanistan) and its rulers (Taliban) knew nothing about. Everything that followed for the past 10 years comes from that.

If, however, you agree that the Al Queda attacks were not acts of war, as this reply suggests, then you should have recced, not unrecced, the OP which took the same position.

I'm confused. Are you?

[Possumpoint]

16. Your State Of Confusion

Is not understandable. The question was what was the fault premise? My rely was "wasn't act of War". If further clarification is needed, it was an act of was by a multi nation religious oragniztion with its own government, military personal, training camps and financial organization.

[cali]

7. Say what? History should fucking NEVER be erased

[RaleighNCDUer]

8. Did you read the article?

It's not about 'erasing' history. It's about 9/11 finding its proper place in history. It was NEVER a cause for war. It was appropriated by the war mongers from the first minute as propaganda to enact the most outrageous abuses on our own civil liberties and damage upon manufactured enemies.

It was the American right's Reischtag Fire.

It is not about erasing history. It is about correcting it. Reclaiming it from the propagandists.

[Possumpoint]

15. I answered correctly

The question was what was the faulty premise and my answer is "wasn't act of War". For dunder heads that means it was an act of war by a multi national religious based oraganization with its own government, military man power, training camps and finance minister. Next question.

[MilesColtrane]

9. "anyone who suggested that this wasn't war,...was simply laughed (or derided or insulted) out of

American room."

No, they weren't.

[RaleighNCDUer]

10. True - usually they were ignored. nt

[sabrina 1]

14. Yes, they were called traitors and told to get on board or

stfu. They didn't, so at least some semblance of the facts are out there.

[Safetykitten]

12. Yes, I agree, we should have "forgetting stuff day". Kinda like a memory purge then lock.