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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-11 06:46 AM
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I have a pre 9/11 mindset. I'm still sane and in spite of a decade of annual reminders.
I will "never forget" in a different sense than designed, which is life before 9/11.
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woo me with science Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-11 06:51 AM
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1. +100000 This is why acting now is so important,
Edited on Sun Sep-11-11 06:52 AM by woo me with science
as well as TEACHING the younger ones what they have a right to expect from their "representative" government.

People forget how short generational memory is. There is an entire generation of kids growing up now for whom the new normal is the only normal they have ever known.

And there has been a great deal of brainwashing of those slightly older, as well. I am devastated when I hear younger Americans saying that TSA groping is necessary for their security or that "I never expected Social Security to be there for me, anyway."

K&R

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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-11 06:56 AM
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2. After I posted this, I thought for a minute before looking again.
My youngest son is 20 years old. Half of his life has been life like this. You are exactly right.
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panzerfaust Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-11 07:01 AM
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3. Amen

We were not always like this!
But, soon, no one will remember that.

For the present controls the past.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-11 04:19 PM
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18. Love the graphic.
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tularetom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-11 07:10 AM
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4. 9/11 - the day that Americans became wusses
I don't think there's anything to celebrate here. The events of this day destroyed any American unity that may have existed and turned us into invertebrates,

We should be mad as hell at the people who let this happen but instead we let their lapdog news media divert our attention to the victims of the attacks.

If July 4 represents the beginning of American independents, 9/11 commemorates its demise.
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ewagner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-11 07:58 AM
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8. here, here...
well said.

I wrote a piece for our local paper expressing the same view. I expect to be severely chastised for it.
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rosesaylavee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-11 07:28 AM
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5. Exactly.
And I will NOT be watching any of this constant hype about that day.

My son is 21 and all he's known is bad government. I will tell him again today when we talk what I remember of functional leadership.

Thank you for the sane post this morning.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-11 07:41 AM
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7. You're welcome. I tend to try and be life affirming.
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OneGrassRoot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-11 08:39 AM
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12. +1 K&R n/t
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Raschel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-11 08:24 AM
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9. I'm not watching either. And I don't know why.
What's wrong with me? It was a horrible day for the victims and their families, but somehow this commemoration doesn't seem right.

Are we supposed to relive the pain, the people jumping, the calls from the towers, the planes, over and over? What are we supposed to take from this?

Please understand I am not trying to disrespect anyone. I was absorbed in this awful attack the day it happened and the days following. I bought books, I read stories of heroes.

I just don't understand why I don't want to participate in this anniversary. It all seems so unfinished, loose-ended, with no clear message.
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rosesaylavee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-11 09:23 AM
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15. I think not watching is healthier
I have mourned, I have read, I have discussed. I want it to mean something now. I want the Rule of Law to be brought back the perps responsible to be held accountable - at all levels. Not just low level FBI/CIA but the leaders who either looked the other way or nudged this along for their own powerful benefit. (Cheney, I'm talking about you buddy)

I don't think there is a photo or video I haven't seen about that day. Why put myself thru that again? To what end? Enough. Let's take it to the next step now.
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Raschel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-11 05:54 PM
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21. Thanks for your thoughtful response.
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Exilednight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-11 09:30 AM
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16. There's nothing wrong with you. I live in NY and I'm not watching
either.

There is no doubt that losing those 3000 lives was tragic, but it's just as tragic when someone in the United States dies of hunger, lack of medicine, homelessness and the thousands of other ways that could have just as easily been prevented, but we don't take a day to remember them.

The same politicians who spend trillions of dollars to ensure another 9/11 won't happen spend a fraction of the cost to make sure that millions won't die from poverty.

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Raschel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-11 05:53 PM
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20. Thank you for your reply. :)
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alarimer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-11 08:46 PM
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24. The "commemoration" is more like wallowing.
Wallowing for fun and profit, I might add. And they hype is astronomical. "The day that changed the world". Really the title of one of these wallow-fests.

The vast majority of people know no one who was personally involved, nor were they even in the vicinity. So how can they say they are "traumatized" by it still? I think the answer is that our government WANTS us traumatized and compliant, so that we do not question the bullshit: the unnecessary, illegal wars in the name of 9/11, the destruction of more and more civil liberties, the unconstitutional actions of the Bush AND Obama administration. The more traumatized and the more they play it up, the easier it is for the government to do these things.
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rosesaylavee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-11 09:49 PM
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25. I live in a suburb outside of Chicago
I have friends who have friends who were killed. I and millions like me were subjected to the 24/7 weeklong replay of the scenes of that day, the 24/7 analysis, the 24/7 fear mongering. I fortunately turned it off so I could think straight at about day 4 but really, that left an imprint that's taken 10 years to fade to a level I can see the pictures of the towers without sobbing.

No doubt it serves a purpose to revive the fear for some of the PTB and it is for that reason I have almost successfully shielded myself and my psyche this week from the onslaught of terra terra terra.

But do not underestimate the trauma induced by the media that week and now they have found the button that switches it back on. That is not good.
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Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-11 07:31 AM
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6. I'm going to try to ignore this day as best I can.
It's something I'll never forget, but I hate to remember. You'll find me in the garden.
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chill_wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-11 08:32 AM
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10. We've been doing this for 10 years, now. Each year
ripping off anew the bandages of the growing passages of time and healing, determined to experience, it seems, so much renewed fresh pain all over, as if it was once again yesterday. When do we finally tell the politicians like Cheney and the lapdog media to tear up all their attendant state sponsored fear-mongering political trappings and frameworks, and go home; stop making it their own annual neocon media festival and begin to let families heal and remember in their own chosen personal ways?

Maybe sometime in the next decade we will find a way to get back in touch with remembering something else of who we were before 9/11 and the "Patriot" Act. That would be the best new kind of tribute we could pay, of all, to those we lost, IMHO.
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NRaleighLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-11 08:37 AM
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11. K&R for sanity. shout out to a fellow Tarheel!
:hi:
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-11 08:42 AM
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13. Thanks. Glad to see you.
:hi:
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NRaleighLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-11 08:51 AM
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14. we gotta meet up for that coffee some time! lots of the world's problems to solve!
:donut:
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-11 04:17 PM
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17. Yep. Anytime.
:donut:
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Jamastiene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-11 04:26 PM
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19. RIP Civil Liberties
As much as it is important to mourn those who died that day, it is equally important to mourn the loss of pre-9/11 America. I miss having privacy and rights and freedoms that we no longer have because of that day. It's like our government is punishing us for what the terrorists did that day.
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chill_wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-11 08:40 PM
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22. And whatever little, however little, that was still left of a free or independent
press.
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Ishoutandscream2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-11 08:41 PM
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23. Beautiful! Kick and Recommend
May I use that?
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