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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-11 06:13 AM
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What I mark on this day 10 years later is that we are so less free
we are collectively so worse off. Trillions for war, the loss of privacy, the rise of reactionary right wing conservatism and the increasing acceptance of it.

Yes, I feel for the families of victims who died 10 years ago today. I feel much greater loss and pain over the demise of this country- brought about far more, I believe, by our reaction to 9/11 than by the events of that day.

As far as I'm concerned, Al-Qaeda won. (Sorry truthers, I do believe that Al-Qaeda was behind the attacks.)
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-11 06:17 AM
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1. Exploitation by dark forces.
An annual day of trauma reenforcement.
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Fumesucker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-11 06:21 AM
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2. If we know everything important about the events of 9/11...
Then why was there such a whirl of obfuscation surrounding the investigation of those events?

Remember that Bush wouldn't testify without Cheney present and neither would testify under oath.

Hardly the actions of people who have nothing to hide.
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Dennis Donovan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-11 06:32 AM
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4. ...because they fucked up repeatedly leading up to 9/11.
...or LIHOP.
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pampango Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-11 06:24 AM
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3. The irony: Al Queda won here and lost in the Arab world.
"All the major assumptions of Bin Laden and his associates have fallen by the wayside in the Arab world. First, it has been shown that dictators such as Hosni Mubarak of Egypt and Zine El Abidine Ben Ali of Tunisia can be overthrown by peaceful crowd action, emulating Gandhi and Martin Luther King. The cry in Tahrir Square last winter in downtown Cairo was “Silmiya, Silmiya!” — Peacefully, peacefully.

Second, it has been demonstrated that the leading edge in political change in the Arab world is relatively secular youth who support labor unions and dignity for working people– i.e. that the most effective revolutionaries are a kind of Arab New Left, not small cells of fundamentalist terrorists. Muslim fundamentalist political parties may benefit from the political opening achieved by the Arab New Left youth movements, but they have mostly tagged along behind the latter.

Third, it has been shown that the United States and Western Europe can be constrained to support the overthrow of even pro-Western dictators if the masses persistently come out and demand democratic change. That is, it is not necessary to attack the US militarily in order to achieve political transition in pro-American regimes such as that of Mubarak.

Ironically, American politicians attempted to pull the wool over our eyes by saying that al-Qaeda hated us for our values. But it turns out that the Arabs are now the peoples sacrificing most for a rule of law, accountability, transparency, and parliamentary governance. One wonders, indeed, if they do not now value those things more than most Americans."

http://www.juancole.com/2011/09/ten-years-after-911-do-the-arabs-value-democracy-more-than-we-do.html
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