Permanent Enmity

[kentuck]

Ten years after the attack on the WTC, our troops and other interests are still scattered around the corners of the globe. In many of the countries, we are not wanted or admired. Our military, contrary to American propaganda, do not inspire good will in many of these countries. We see a different picture from how most of those countries feel about us.

Before 9/11, we had put troops into Saudi Arabia, the home of Mecca and the Islam religion. It was unwise and dangerous. You can only swipe at a hornet's nest so many time before they attack back. The attack on 9/11 was not unprovoked.

With our continued presence in these countries, we will never be secure. Homeland Security cannot protect us from all attacks, no matter how many billion or trillions we spend on defense or security. We are making permanent enemies that will drain our wealth and resources and make us a poor third-world country.

We, as a people, need to end these wars and provocation. We need to bring our troops home. The many years of imperialism should end. Otherwise, we will have enemies for ever.

[ThomWV]

1. There is more truth in your 4 paragraphs than in every Presidential speech in the last 10 years

K&R

[Amonester]

2. K & R

Not for the 'make us more safe' falsety (because nobody can be made 'more safe' and the United States of America cannot be defeated by any organized-crime clique) but for the 'stop the collective wealth and resources waste and use it to implement health and education for all policies' message.

[Angry Dragon]

3. We manufacture the terrorists that attack us

A never ending source of fear so that the politicians and military can scare the people

Military job security

[TheDebbieDee]

4. I think the current issues between the West and the Middle East

have less to do with a US military presence in Saudi Arabia from 1990 - 2001 but more to do with the decades-worth of lies and other anti-Western propaganda that the Saudi royal family spread to their subjects.

These lies and propaganda ensured that their impoverished subjects' anger was focused and directed to people living OUTSIDE of their kingdom instead of the wealthy royal family that subjugated them.


Also, this same tactic (It's America's fault that you are poor, hungry, whatever) was used for decades in many countries throughout the Middle-East.

The powers-that-be in these countries have been working just as hard, if not harder, to make us the permanent enemies of these people............

[kentuck]

5. I'm sure you are correct but...

it hardly has the same impact as a cruise missile that blows off the arms and legs of your children. Nobody likes to be occupied by foreign troops.

[TheDebbieDee]

6. I'm just saying, OBL and his co-horts took the actions

they took after being fed decades of lies and bull$hit about the West by people who had much to gain from their belief that everything wrong in their world was our fault!

Much has been done since 9-11 to give younger generations of Middle Easterners justified reasons to hate and fear us..........But this $hit was started many decades ago, and not by Westerners.

But please, feel free to continue accepting blame and feeling guilty for the 80 years of enmity felt by those in that region for us......

[kentuck]

8. I'm sorry if you can't handle the truth.

But the impetus for Bin Laden attacking American interests in the Middle East was our presence in Saudi Arabia and other "areas" of the Middle East and our antagonism against a Palestinian state. You can argue that we have a right to park our battleships and tankers anywhere in the world but we don't reciprocate the same rights in our own country. They don't hate us from a vacuum.

[TheDebbieDee]

9. I'm sorry that you can't see the big picture............

If OBL hadn't decided to make the presence of US troops in Saudi Arabia an issue to justify a terrorist attack, it would have been something else.

And the reason why we don't allow other countries to park their battleships in our ports is because we don't have to. And I won't feel bad about that either.......

[kentuck]

10. The big picture is...

that we gave them the justification by putting our troops in Saudi Arabia. And by our silence on other issues as people died.

[TheDebbieDee]

11. Can you hear (read) what you're saying?

"we gave them the justification by putting our troops in Saudi Arabia". Who is "them"? OBL? Residents of Middle Eastern nations? People in that area who ARE NOT members of their respective governments?

Let me ask, did the Saudi government give the US permission to station US troops in Saudi Arabia? Or are you saying that we invaded them, too?

The bottom line is this: Before 9/11, people living in that part of the world would have been "justified" to be pi$$ed at their own respective governments if they didn't like the way things were in their country.

But, carry on with your "We're American and we feel really badly about that" party.

[kentuck]

12. Any American troops in any country are occupiers.

And we would be better without them there. Yes, this includes Germany and Japan.

[lunatica]

7. I think our Corporate and Military Empire and government corruption will destroy us

before terrorists could ever hope to.

[woo me with science]

13. K&R nt