Today I memorialize the ELEVENTH anniversary of my prediction ...

[TahitiNut]

... to whit:
If George W. Bush wins the election in two months then we'll be in a shooting war in the Middle east or South Asia before the end of next year, precipitated by some event that will preclude rational political discourse.

Yes ... this was EXACTLY what I predicted two months before the 2000 General Election. Before DU came into existence, I posted this on the (now defunct) AtHome Usenet. Joining DU in 2002, I found a welcome 'sanity check' with others in a miniscule minority who weren't surprised ... but who're also marginalized as "nuts." Well, I'm still a "nut" and would not choose to be anything else.

When I'm inundated by the obscenely repetitious and vacuous pablum being spooned out over the media about how the events of 9/11 were "shocking" and "unforeseeable" and "confusing" ... and how we all remember that day and where we were when we first heard ... I vividly recall being awoken (on the left coast) by a friend's call and tuning in to see my horrid prediction coming true. I am no Monday morning post hoc conspiracy theorist.

Eleven years ago, it seemed obvious ... as predictable as tomorrow's sunrise.

Even today, it's stunning how one of the single greatest "faillures" of any political leadership in the history of this nation has been turned on it's head ... and that same political leadership has (successfully, it seems) proclaimed their "success" in "keeping America safe" ... for seven years. How an ANY sentient being not see the cosmos-sized hypocrisy of such a claim? It's no wonder George holds hands with the financial backers of this atrocity.

Disgusting.

[villager]

1. As far as I can tell, "conspiracy theorist" just means "asking questions the corporate-owned media

...won't"

But yes, you could see it Bush's eyes during the debates with Gore: He was a lunatic, a "Dead Zone" candidate, and scorched earth, literal and metaphoric, lay ahead if he "won."

[Fokker Trip]

91. Exactly...I so agree.

The way some people go off around here when anyone questions the accepted official conspiracy theory shows a serious lack of intellectual curiosity and an almost tea-bagger like devotion to an ideology over apparent contradictory evidence

In so many ways Bush was rightly criticised on this site, but according to some DUers its "crazy" or "ignorant" to question the lame ass pseudo-commission that Bush reluctantly green lighted and their conclusions.

That part of the Bush legacy is for some reason sacrosanct and unassailable. It's very disturbing.

[defendandprotect]

92. +1 --

[ChazII]

2. Agree 100%.

It was predictable and I was surprised by the number of liberals and conservatives that were shocked by what happened. ( I have always marched to a different drummer so perhaps it is my thinking that is warped.)

[TahitiNut]

6. You remind me of why I'm an INDEPENDENT (antipartisan) liberal.

In my (not really too humble) opinion, partisanship carries with it an allied interest in not attacking and exposing any evil of partisanship, no matter how extreme and no matter whether allied or opposed. It seems to me that those whose "rice bowls" are dependent on a partisan dialectic are the most blind to the extremes of such thinking. I don't see independents (who happen to eschew the pitfalls of partisanship) as being so blinded. I've ALWAYS been a liberal, and choose to be so because it's rational. There's something LESS rational about being a partisan.

So, I wouldn't say "liberals and conservatives" ... I'd say "Democrats and Republicans." It's clear to me that someone claiming to be a "Democrat" and a "liberal" is materially less likely to be a liberal than someone claiming to be a "liberal" and avoiding party labels.

Just a thought ... that could deserve a far longer post.

[SharonAnn]

29. In the spring of 2001 when he was talking about ramping up "Missile Defense" (aka Star Wars)

I was screaming at the TV! I kept saying, "Missiles aren't the problem! Terrorists are the problem! For God's sake! We need to defend ourselves from terrorists, not missiles!" My husband remembers it well. He told me that yelling at the TV wasn't going to change anything.

And then, we spent the summer of 2001 with ACATT (All Chandra, All The Time) TV, formerly known as CNN.

[Ineeda]

3. I was stupid and naive.

Although Dubya's selection held a portent of doom for me, I foolishly believed 9/11 would be his downfall. Long before details came out about the ignored PDB, etc., my gut told me he was, at the very least, incompetent, and that everyone else would realize it, too.

[enough]

15. I confess I thought the same thing on 9/11. I figured he would be impeached or resign.

Now it all seems so obvious that it would play out the way it did.

[Lorien]

25. Me too. The media reaction defied logic. nt

[ffr]

55. Ditto.

[woo me with science]

72. I was slow to learn, also.

I am ashamed of how long it took me to realize what was going on.

And the continued denial by others in the face of what is now overwhelmingly transparent is extremely, extremely frustrating.

[defendandprotect]

94. Agree -- it's been a very powerful coup over our government the last 50 years ....

and certainly the Bush family are highly involved and highly protected by it --

certainly also thought that the debates with Bush wearing an earpiece and wired

would bring him down -- and a few in media did try --

As Jim Marrs/Rise of the Fourth Reich noted in his 2008 book, the families and

corporations which supported Hitler -- and I'd add the attempted coup on FDR --

also now control our corporate-media.

We have a Goebbels' style press which is protecting the coverup and participants.

It's international elites/wealth/power --


But we've seen a long string of the "winners" -- from LBJ, to Nixon, Ford, Reagan,

Two Bushes -- and that the "Congress is now under control of the oil and coal industry"

as confirmed by Al Gore/Rolling Stone.

[bemildred]

4. Bravo.

Even today, it's stunning how one of the single greatest "faillures" of any political leadership in the history of this nation has been turned on it's head ... and that same political leadership has (successfully, it seems) proclaimed their "success" in "keeping America safe" ... for seven years. How an ANY sentient being not see the cosmos-sized hypocrisy of such a claim? It's no wonder George holds hands with the financial backers of this atrocity.

[knowbody0]

5. wow!

I predicted it as well, just like his daddy. war mongering freaks. and ain't it just so sad what we've become.

I've missed you. all is well?

[TahitiNut]

8. Ow!

:evilgrin:

Well, all is.
Things are what they are and will be what they'll be.
I'm maintaining my somewhat tenuous grip on Reality (what a concept!) leavened by just the right amount of Krazy. :silly:

[bluesmail]

45. Good to read from you.

:hi:

[NNN0LHI]

7. I need to ask you something TN

Do you think we may be heading for another world war?

I have a bad feeling about this.

Don

[TahitiNut]

10. Nope. Just endless war.

The PTB need just the "right"(-wing) amount of war to keep the sheeple in line and paying up. "World" war isn't the "right" amount ... UNLESS they seem themselves losing control to too many upstarts that just don't know their place.

[Electric Monk]

14. We have always been at war with Eastasia... or was that Eurasia? Silly me, getting them confused...

I think I'd like it if you expanded and elaborated on post #6 in its own thread, if you're so inclined. There are a couple of hyper-partisans on this board who could benefit from your wisdom.

[TahitiNut]

36. A post on that has been cooking in my skull for some time.

I don't know when it'll be "ripe" but it'll hopefully spark some thought and genuine discussion if I do it right.

[NNN0LHI]

17. Well, that is a relief ... I think?

Thanks for your honesty.

Take care and see you later.

Don

[defendandprotect]

95. Good to see that --

but concerned they might have a bit more room for Iran?

VP Joe Biden has been running around for a year now saying that Isreal should

attack Iran!

"Israel would be justified in attacking Iran" -- !!! Yikes!

Wasn't Panetta also ratting that sword recently?



Any new predictions?

:hi:

[malaise]

9. K & R

for prescience

[Rex]

11. George and King Bandar became BFF.

Holding hands and kissing each other, while Rome burned to the ground. Daddy wanted military bases in SA and we paid the price for his family's avarice.

[Lars39]

12. They were childhood friends.

[WinkyDink]

69. Prince.

[RevStPatrick]

13. My prediction was this:

On the morning of September 11, 2001, I headed to the subway near my Brooklyn apartment to go to work.
At the corner, I saw smoke billowing from the Twin Towers.
One of the many people standing on the corner said that he saw a plane hit the tower, and "that was one bad pilot."
I turned around and ran home.

In the 3 blocks it took me get home, I said to myself:

"This will be blamed on Islamic terrorism.
The Bush administration will be shown to be complicit.
This is a world-changing event.
We will be at war soon..."

If I had stayed on that corner for another minute or two, I would have seen the second plane hit.
I got home and turned on the TV, just after the second plane, and an hour or so later went back to that corner and watched the first tower fall.

I don't think it's that difficult for those of us who pay attention to make these predictions...

[Hissyspit]

66. "those of us who pay attention"

...and therein lies a large part of the problem.

[defendandprotect]

99. Interesting --

As concerned as I've always been with fascism -- and Global Warming --

and those who control our natural resources -- and even the MIC --

I thought they'd get caught -- and I thought they continue to be after the

New Deal and even OIL, but didn't really foresee they could swing 9/11 to full

attacks on Afghanistan and Iraq! Took WMD myth -- a lot of lies from people

like Powell who was sadly trusted by much of the population -- and the next myth

of an "Anthrax" attack on Congress to move all of that into place.


IMO, main goal of 9/11 was to bring the towers down in the way they wanted to do it --

and which wasn't going to be permitted -- i.e., DEMOLITION.

Throw in the CIA "put options" -- but I don't think anyone has yet picked up that money?

And it did give the RW the pleasure of another bit of destruction of NYC - a long time

enemy. If it was truly a "Thermonuclear device as Susan Lindauer suggests from the info

she was given by her handler in the CIA" then radiation poisoning will show up eventually.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=125x321024#321175



There wasn't of course any kind of connection between 9/11 and Afghanistan or Iraq!

Alleged hijackers were Saudis primarily --

None of it made any sense then and still little sense now --

Btw, they are still radiating Congress' mail which takes 3 weeks to dry out!


And we've also found out that those very violent Muslim religious books we heard so much

about on TV were actually created - financed -- written and published by our own govenrment/

CIA -- and shipped into the Middle East in an effort to create a more violent form of Islam!


---------------



The US spent $100's of millions shooting down Soviet helicopters yet didn't spend a penny helping Afghanis rebuild their infrastructure and institutions.

They also spent millions producing jihad preaching, fundamentalist textbooks and shipping them off to Afghanistan. These were the same text books the Western media discussed in shocked tones and told their audiences were used by fundamentalist teachers to brainwash their charges and to inculcate in young Afghanis a jihad mindset, hatred of foreigners and non-Muslims etc.



Have you heard about the Afghan Jihad schoolbook scandal?

Or perhaps I should say, "Have you heard about the Afghan Jihad schoolbook scandal that's waiting to happen?"

Because it has been almost unreported in the Western media that the US government shipped, and continues to ship, millions of Islamist textbooks into Afghanistan.

Only one English-speaking newspaper we could find has investigated this issue: the Washington Post. The story appeared March 23rd.

Washington Post investigators report that during the past twenty years the US has spent millions of dollars producing fanatical schoolbooks, which were then distributed in Afghanistan.

"The primers, which were filled with talk of jihad and featured drawings of guns, bullets, soldiers and mines, have served since then as the Afghan school system's core curriculum. Even the Taliban used the American-produced books..." -- Washington Post, 23 March 2002 (1)

According to the Post the U.S. is now "...wrestling with the unintended consequences of its successful strategy of stirring Islamic fervor to fight communism."

So the books made up the core curriculum in Afghan schools. And what were the unintended consequences? The Post reports that according to unnamed officials the schoolbooks "steeped a generation in violence."

How could this result have been unintended? Did they expect that giving fundamentalist schoolbooks to schoolchildren would make them moderate Muslims?

Nobody with normal intelligence could expect to distribute millions of violent Islamist schoolbooks without influencing school children towards violent Islamism. Therefore one would assume that the unnamed US officials who, we are told, are distressed at these "unintended consequences" must previously have been unaware of the Islamist content of the schoolbooks.

But surely someone was aware. The US government can't write, edit, print and ship millions of violent, Muslim fundamentalist primers into Afghanistan without high officials in the US government approving those primers.



http://www.tenc.net/articles/jared/jihad.htm

[Fumesucker]

16. You are the very last person the powers that be will listen to..

And that includes Obama.

Those who have been proven correct time after time after time are locked out of the national discourse and those who have been wrong every single time are elevated to positions of prominence.

It's really hard not to see it as part of some grand design.

"Being right too soon is socially unacceptable." -Heinlein

[kentuck]

18. Welcome back 'Nut!

It's been a long ten years...

[nadinbrzezinski]

19. I remember telling hubby that on December 12, 2000

Given he was in the Navy...it was all but a warm fuzzy to go oh shit...the morning of 9.11

[hootinholler]

20. It's almost like

They had a Plan For A New American Century.

[catzies]

35. +1 n/t

[ooglymoogly]

39. And needed an event like Pearl. nt

[bengalherder]

21. K&R n/t

[Brother Buzz]

22. You must have been channeling PNAC

In September of 2000, PNAC, sensing a GOP victory in the upcoming presidential election, issued its white paper on "Rebuilding America's Defenses: Strategy, Forces and Resources for the New Century." The PNAC report was quite frank about why the U.S. would want to move toward imperialist militarism, a Pax Americana, because with the Soviet Union out of the picture, now is the time most "conducive to American interests and ideals... The challenge of this coming century is to preserve and enhance this 'American peace'." And how to preserve and enhance the Pax Americana? The answer is to "fight and decisively win multiple, simultaneous major-theater wars."

In serving as world "constable," the PNAC report went on, no other countervailing forces will be permitted to get in the way. Such actions "demand American political leadership rather than that of the United Nations," for example. No country will be permitted to get close to parity with the U.S. when it comes to weaponry or influence; therefore, more U.S. military bases will be established in the various regions of the globe. (A post-Saddam Iraq may well serve as one of those advance military bases.) Currently, it is estimated that the U.S. now has nearly 150 military bases and deployments in different countries around the world, with the most recent major increase being in the Caspian Sea/Afghanistan/Middle East areas.


The perfect storm was brewing, and the likes of Donald Rumsfeld, Dick Cheney, James Woolsey, Paul Wolfowitz, Richard Perle, Bill Kristol, James Bolton, Zalmay M. Khalilzad, William Bennett, Dan Quayle, and Jeb Bush were willing to put it in motion, all they needed was a new "Pearl Harbor".

[tomp]

23. when i saw the smoking towers my first thought was:

"oh my god, what has bush done?!!"

[Lorien]

24. You aren't really Al Gore's cousin Bill Gore are you?

He told me the same thing about the same time-and he said that America would become a police State.

[chill_wind]

26. TahitiNut-- good to see you post.

Welcome back (from wherever you've been)!

[krispos42]

27. Yup.

[McCamy Taylor]

28. In early Jan 2001, I sent Nader a letter thanking him for the upcoming war in the middle east

that I knew the Bush administration could not wait to start. It was all there in black and white. I don't know how so many people were able to convince themselves that Bush was the same ad Gore. Al Gore did not sign onto the Project for the New American Century. Al Gore was not the errand boy for the oil industry that both Bush and Cheney were. It was illegal for two guys from the same state to run together, so they lied and said Cheney was from Wyoming, but I am from Texas and I knew they were both Texas oilmen and that the price of crude would be driven sky high and that all the administration's policies would be set by big oil---and that many other economic sectors would suffer as a result.

Since I am a political amateur, I can not figure out how the "professionals" failed to predict this.

[SharonAnn]

31. Me too. I saw this sh*t coming early on. But then, I think my name is Cassandra.

I'm right, but not believed.

A few people who have known me for years sometimes pay attention to my predictions, but I just hate being right on this stuff and still having to watch it happen.

[defendandprotect]

100. Why make such a point of ignoring the RW steal and the Supremes who cemented it for Bush?

It's getting boring --

And, in fact, Gore won no matter how the votes are counted --

[Zanzoobar]

30. I'm not a Ron Paul guy, but you're waaaaaaay behind...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4hJTisovvjc

You can skip to 3:00.

[on point]

32. Only the PTB are blind. This depression was foretold when the Bush tax cuts passed

It makes me laugh when the media says that no one could see the recession / depression coming! It was obvious it was on the way when the Bush tax cuts and the supply side economic delusion was put in place.

[defendandprotect]

101. It was a financial coup ... put in place by the very people Obama picked to cure the meltdown!!

[Chalfont]

33. Warning in the newspapers

A month or two before the attack, there was a State Department warning to American ex-pats saying there was a possibility of US targets abroad being attacked. I saw it in the print edition of either the International Herald Tribune, or the Japan times, but unfortunately didn't save the article, and have not been able to find it in any archives.

[defendandprotect]

103. Actually, it was predictable in a sense since the fall of the Cold War ....

Cheney/Rumsfeld/PNAC all worked to try to put the Cold War back together again --

best they could do was "terrorism."

[deutsey]

34. I remember telling a friend in 2000 that if Bush won the election

America would be digging out of the wreckage for decades to come.

I really wish I had not been right.

[young_at_heart]

37. When I see him on TV I still have to turn away----the sight of him turns my stomach

I'm 72 years old and have never had that feeling with any other president. I still can't believe that such a misfit became our president.

[TahitiNut]

38. We're of like minds in that.

Until Dumbya/Dick, I just couldn't understand how folks could have such antipathy toward a President. (Or even "hero worship.") In my 68 years, the narcissist and the sociopath are a grand twofer of unprecedented disgust for me. They both belong in prison.

[DemReadingDU]

73. +++

I'm 62, and I never much paid attention to sociopaths until Bush/Cheney. Jeez, I can pick that type out anywhere nowadays. Even the police chief in our small village is cut from the same mold, and he's only 40.
:hi:

[Gin]

41. me too.....it is a feeling of deep revulsion combined with disgust

and I have to talk to myself when that happens....it is not good for me....may he experience the pain he has caused so many.

[Dawson Leery]

42. Same here.

The same should be said of Dubya's ignorant boot lickers.

[lunasun]

50. Still makes me sick too ,,,,,,,,,also Cheney but he make me angry

[Sparkly]

53. Me, too.

He represents everything I can't stand -- sheltered privilege, easy entitlement, egocentrism and lazy arrogance -- no work ethic, no empathy, no sense of basic reality about 'how the other 99.9% lives" -- born with a silver foot in his mouth and blissfully ignorant of the notion that people might actually be created equal...

In other words, he's a lazy, spoiled frat boy divorced from reality with an inflated sense of his own merit who caused the death of hundreds of thousands of people and the ruin of many more, and couldn't care less.

[suegeo]

84. Me too. Can't stand to see or hear him.

Or Cheney, if you will.

[OwnedByFerrets]

40. The propaganda machine at its finest.

[yellerpup]

43. Too true.

Nice to see you again! It's been too long. :kick: & Rec.

[stevedeshazer]

44. Dude!

So good to see you here!

:hi:

One of my favorite posters ever.

[2Design]

46. exactly me too - first thought was what did they do - having

read just the day before in a paper at Alternet.org - they were already building up military and the author of the article wanted to know where they would find an enemy to justify the buildup and boom there it was

I knew if bush was put in office we would be at war - they wanted war

[moondust]

47. Yup, me too.

I was posting similar (though not quite as specific!) warnings on an MSNBC board. My only question at the time was who would be the unlucky victims used to make a big shot "War President" out of flunky frat boy riding the family name.

K/R for the T-Nut!

[GoCubsGo]

48. I predicted the economy would turn to shit, too.

I saw that coming, including his yanking my ex-employer's funding, which cost me my job and killed my career. I did expect it to be worse, granted it's pretty fucking bad now.

[Sparkly]

49. I'm married to a man who saw the SAME THING!!!

We had many discussions about this, so for the same reasons, this idea that it was a complete shock, couldn't be predicted, etc., is BULL.

I was then arguing with Morans on an old CNN board and AOL boards. I argued constantly, fervently, (futilely) that the Bush boy was about reviving OLD 1980s "star wars" crap about "ICBMs from Rogue Nations" and that it was ridiculous -- that the threat was about terrorism and weapons that can be carried in a suitcase, not ICBMs launched from Iraq or North Korea.

"Nobody would attack us here, they know we'd nuke their asses if they did," was the refrain. But "THEY" are loose organizations without direct national ties, I tried to enlighten them; it's not like seeing Japanese planes flying overhead identified as such, it's not like they wear uniforms. The reply: "Clinton and the Scare-o-crats invent terrorist bogeymen to distract from the real issues" (the "real issues" being the Lewinsky thing; Osama bin Laden was a myth designed to "wag the dog," remember that?)!

My husband the clown saw the whole thing coming, and explained it to me. We both agreed the Bush boy, if elected, would instigate a war in the Middle East, and that he'd start with Iraq. This was all before the USSC Selection...

It was obvious. The rhetoric, the spending priorities, the misinformation, the dogma, the throwback to the 80s (not just in policies and slogans, but even in the very people!) -- it was VERY clear from the start.

There is only one thing we got wrong in our predictions -- one thing we could never have imagined. In our worst nightmares, the clown and I just couldn't believe any significant number of the American people could be SO FREAKING STUPID that the Bush boy could even get into office, let alone carry out such a foolhardy plan, and if he even dared, he'd be thrown out in 2004 and over about 12 years beyond that, we could get back on track...

Yup, we underestimated the STUPIDITY of a significant segment of The American People.

As you say, it's incomprehensible that they still act like the attacks on 9/11 are their greatest accomplishment, something to laud and tout and practically celebrate, not a tragic failure in THEIR common sense. And the constant excuses for the obvious fact that the Bush boy was NEVER in charge of a damn thing (except a children's story) continue ad nauseum -- unbelievable.

Every stupid statement, from ANYone, that 9/11 was a big surprise, or that the Bush boy was in charge, or that they weren't caught with their pants down due to their own willful stupidity, or that they didn't leverage the whole thing to pursue an agenda in place long before they took office, just goes to show how and why this country sealed its fate, once and for all.

We're supposed to believe all the powers of the U.S. Government were simply caught by surprise. It's not that they had an agenda, and were too arrogant to consider facts that didn't fit with it; it's not that they manipulated the facts afterwards and crafted propaganda to leverage fear for their own ends. They were just surprised!

That only works if we were ALL surprised.

We weren't all surprised. You weren't surprised, a guy who calls himself "Stinky the Clown" wasn't surprised, and a whole lot of people from the Clinton/Gore administration weren't surprised.

The only surprise is how successful they've been -- "they" being the people out to destroy our democracy... All of them.

[lunasun]

54. Well the biggest surprise to me is "the STUPIDITY of a significant segment of The American People."

as you say and how it seems to be growing more the further the slide instead of more folks wising up.
I guess like George Carlin said they are just happy with new gizmos and toys


Never underestimate gut feelings or overlook the obvious
just look how many entries on this post!

Paranoid or enlightened????

[defendandprotect]

102. The public is awake -- it is the president and our Goebbels' style media ignoring them --!!

[nadinbrzezinski]

56. You are also a vet of the aol boards?

They were something. I still remember one particular poster...lonekawyer... Ad not in a good way.

[Sparkly]

57. YES!!

I remember "USA4GWB" and a "Liddy" something or other -- deluded pieces of work... but there were many. Just trying to have a rational discussion with them was painful.

[nadinbrzezinski]

58. Yup...lone was less crazy...but not by much

Lordy them were them days. Ah du with all it's problems IS an oasis.

[TahitiNut]

68. You said it, kiddo.

:hug: :hi: And The Grassy Knoll Society was born (I'm a charter member) and still stands (sits?) watch.

[MrMickeysMom]

51. Boy, and I glad you started this thread

I'm hoping that the theory about spontaneous evolution is right.

Meanwhile, I'll exercise my bliss, and thank you, TN!

[Generic Other]

52. I had a weird dream about Bush before the election

It was vivid and scary and involved a missile hurtling into a building. It was unsettling and made me think Bush was going to get us nuked. That's how I interpreted the dream anyway. And for some reason, I also thought he would go start a war to avenge his father.

I can't say it was a premonition exactly, but it marked my intense negative reaction to Bush which the Florida vote only made worse. At the time, people around me felt my reaction was too extreme.

I never told anyone about the dream even after 9/11, but Tahiti, I know you know what the Bush years put us all through. 8 years of darkness. I think my subconscious mind sensed it was coming -- like the onset of a terrible winter.

[Hawkowl]

60. Nope.

That was definitely a premonition. Don't ignore your dreams! I don't ;)

[bertman]

59. Congrats, TahitiNut! You got it right. REC.

As far as "conspiracy theories", based on my reading of history, EVERY major event involving a grab for power or land or wealth IN THE HISTORY OF THE WORLD has been the result of a CONSPIRACY.

But now we are told that conspiracy theories are the sign of a deranged mind.

Interesting, eh?

[Fire Walk With Me]

61. Consider how much worse the country is to see their agenda...sorry you were right but thanks for

saying it. The truth must always be spoken :hi:

[HughBeaumont]

62. K & R . . . Great minds think alike, apparently:

The Onion, January 17th, 2001 . . . Bush: Our Long National Nightmare of Peace and Prosperity is Finally Over.

How did a satirical newspaper predict pretty much to the letter what the rest of Dumberica couldn't?

It's because Dumberica has this supreme love affair with Cowboy Macho Republicans.

It doesn't matter how much they stomp on it's face, steal from it, lie to it, cheat it, send it to prison and leave it with the insurmountable credit card bill.

Dumberica loves, loves, FUCKING LOVES Cowboy Borrow-and-Waste, Warmongerin', Corporate Fellating Republicans.

Dumberica loves their menu of uselessness: A Republican in Democrat's Clothing, A Fascist in Fascist's Clothing or Underfunded Electoral Circular File Material.

Dumberica is conditioned to absolutely hate government and bark up it's tree while completely ignoring the cat-laden Corporate tree next to it. I think deep down, they believe that a Corporate-Run America is perfectly alright. And because they're perfectly OK with large conglomerates controlling every aspect of their lives, that's exactly what they're going to get . . . the rest of their lives.

Do something about it? They can't. They're afraid of police, the military and arrest. They're afraid of losing their jobs if someone sees them. They're afraid of losing their health care if they lose their jobs. Making an OK living with very little debt will soon be treated with the odds of a scratch-off lottery ticket.

There's no will to change. The Top 5% call every shot in this country, or ELSE. We're too hands-in-the-air frustrated to care that they're killing this nation, we're too afraid to speak up and we're too in love with economy-destroying conservatives to remember that social agenda has absolutely NOTHING WHATSOFUCKINGEVER to do with governing a country.

[blackspade]

63. I call it conspiracy fact, not conspiracy theory.

[DemoTex]

64. First and foremost: Nick sends a lick!

With Nick in the wilderness, I forget about George W. Bush and what he - predictably (with the bellicose cabal he "chose" as advisers)- and most recklessly - did to the world.

Mac

[TahitiNut]

70. Warm embraces (and rump scratches) to you, Doc, and Nick, bro!

If I could be with y'all this evening in your tower, I'd lift a single malt with you and give the only toast that makes sense: "Xin loi, GI."

:patriot:

[H2O Man]

65. Recommended.

Good to see you!

[TahitiNut]

71. Namaste, my friend..

May the great spirit bring joy to your every sunrise!

:pals:

[Kind of Blue]

67. Hear! Hear!

Thank you, TahitiNut.

Even my mother said upon his election that reality has changed and to prepare for the unimaginable worst that's been itching to be realized. It's going to be a long hard way to what was before, as each of these sentient beings who believe in the hypocrisy as truth wake up.

It's good to see you here again, because believe it or not, I was thinking of you today, remembering you welcomed me to DU upon my first postings.

KnR

[quaker bill]

74. It must not have been that hard to see

I was saying the same thing, and volunteered for the Gore campaign for just this reason.

[stuart68]

75. your timing is distasteful, but if it makes you feel better...

you make an odd link between Bush will cause a war and our complete inability to see or to act on what we all knew was coming. teh attacks on 9/11 were not simply a failure of Bush, but Clinton as well, whether anyone likes to admit it or not...

[WinkyDink]

77. Right. Uh-huh. Too bad for you Clinton wouldn't countenance an attack on Iraq.

The attack was planned by a group of conspirators including Ramzi Yousef, Mahmud Abouhalima, Mohammad Salameh, Nidal A. Ayyad, Abdul Rahman Yasin and Ahmad Ajaj. They received financing from Khaled Sheikh Mohammed, Yousef's uncle. In March 1994, four men were convicted of carrying out the bombing: Abouhalima, Ajaj, Ayyad and Salameh. The charges included conspiracy, explosive destruction of property and interstate transportation of explosives. In November 1997, two more were convicted: Yousef, the mastermind behind the bombings, and Eyad Ismoil, who drove the truck carrying the bomb.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1993_World_Trade_Center_bombing
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THE FACT IS THAT BUSH AND RICE DELIBERATELY DOWNGRADED THE INFO FROM THE CLINTON ADMINISTRATION, REFUSING TO MEET WITH THE TOP INTELLIGENCE TIER.

THE FACT IS THAT RICE TRIED TO LIE BY OMISSION UNDER OATH ABOUT HOW BUSH IGNORED HIS WH DAILY BRIEFING TITLED "BIN LADEN DETERMINED TO STRIKE US."

THE FACT IS THAT CHENEY AND RUMSFELD WERE CONDUCTING, ON 9/11/01, AERIAL "WAR GAMES" SIMULATING THE PRECISE TYPE OF ATTACK IN THE PRECISE NE CORRIDOR THAT DID, COINCIDENTLLY, OCCUR THAT VERY MORNING. "NOBODY COULD PREDICT....."

[stuart68]

82. believe what you want, but your "facts" are your opinions...

nothing more.

wikipedia, by definition, is not a site for vetted, factual information on controversial topics.

[SnakeEyes]

87. "Ignore" is the keyword here

And precisely what the conspiracy types don't understand. It shows a lack of understanding of how the PDB and intelligence works. The president and his people receive information on any number of potential/theoretical threats that enemies of the US are considering. Then intel must decide which threats are more credible than others. It's a weighting game based on how much info they actually have to support the likelihood of those threats. Key facts we know now did not make it up the chain. Had the top tier know the guys were taking flying lessons things would have been different.

And your Loose Change "facts" are nonsense.

And of course it's easy to know everything after the fact.

It's also easy to claim "i predicted this" without any proof.

[Viva_La_Revolution]

80. well that's just bullcrap

everything the Clinton admin was doing about terror was thrown out the window when the shrub got in.

http://www.snopes.com/rumors/clinton.asp

[stuart68]

83. thanks for the link, but I did not say Clinton failed to do anything

I said the attacks were a result of failed policies of many administrations. Read Energy Victory if you want to know hoe everyone is in bed with the oil cartels.

[TahitiNut]

107. Your penchant for smearing with a broad and fact-free brush is noteworthy.

"They all suck" is a shopworn, sophomoric stance, devoid of anything resembling the courage of one's own convictions carefully built upon critical thinking skills and a healthy appetite for well-sourced information.

"And so's your old man" is sure to follow in any attempt at argumentation.

[stuart68]

108. nice try, but your analysis is inaccurate, again.

I do not have a penchant, as I only made one post on the topic. Yes, they all suck is sophmoric, but that was not the point of my post. Sorry you missed it and over reached in your response.

The facts are the facts, try reading "Energy Victory" and other fact based summaries of this topic. Your penchant for partisan, talking point repeating, "it all came about in 8 months" blame is actually what I would call sophmoric. It actually keeps us from gettign to the real heart of the issues.

If saying these problems are bigger and more systemic than just an administration that was in place for a mere 8 months prior to the attack, then I guess you can dismiss this as "so's your old man".

[Initech]

76. Hey I made the same prediction.

[inna]

78. K&R and much respect. Don't know how I missed all your other posts.

[Divine Discontent]

79. good ol' tahiti nut! hi! you were so right... it's so sad your message wasn't listened to by more

Hope you're doing well! America is better for not having W. in power anymore, he nearly sent this country into a real depression...


http://www.zazzle.com/republicans_2012_keeping_millions_out_of_work_bumper_sticker-128002960205017719

[madokie]

81. The whole bushcheney years was up was down, left was right, black was white Rec'd

OT, what a blessing to read your post this morning. I've been wondering how you've been doing, good I hope. :hi:

[mwooldri]

85. You weren't that alone.

Back around that time I was pretty naieve about US politics. A lot of what I heard about Clinton was "sex scandal" followed by "sex scandal". Since I had just come from the UK and all I heard about the Tories in the UK was "sex scandal", I made the wrong assumption that Democrats = Tories = Sex Scandals = bad. So although I had no vote, and I did no campaigning, in my mind I hoped the now former President would win.

However among discussion with my peers at work one thing was particuarly notable: one individual stated that she would not vote for Bush under any circumstances because he will go back in and re-invade Iraq. Though she didn't make any mentions of any 9/11 type of event that would be used as a cover (excuse) to go in.

I should have listened more to her.

Mark.

[elleng]

86. You were, of course, sadly, correct.

From a 2007 Salon article:

"Seven countries in five years"
Wesley Clark's new memoir casts more light on the Bush administration's secret strategies for regime change in Iran and elsewhere.

'While the Bush White House promotes the possibility of armed conflict with Iran, a tantalizing passage in Wesley Clark's new memoir suggests that another war is part of a long-planned Department of Defense strategy that anticipated "regime change" by force in no fewer than seven Mideast states. Critics of the war have often voiced suspicions of such imperial schemes, but this is the first time that a high-ranking former military officer has claimed to know that such plans existed.

The existence of that classified memo would certainly cast more dubious light not only on the original decision to invade Iraq because of Saddam Hussein's weapons and ambitions but on the current efforts to justify and even instigate military action against Iran.

In "A Time to Lead: For Duty, Honor and Country," published by Palgrave Macmillan last month, the former four-star general recalls two visits to the Pentagon following the terrorist attacks of September 2001. On the first visit, less than two weeks after Sept. 11, he writes, a "senior general" told him, "We're going to attack Iraq. The decision has basically been made."

Six weeks later, Clark returned to Washington to see the same general and inquired whether the plan to strike Iraq was still under consideration. The general's response was stunning:

"'Oh, it's worse than that,' he said, holding up a memo on his desk. 'Here's the paper from the Office of the Secretary of Defense outlining the strategy. We're going to take out seven countries in five years.' And he named them, starting with Iraq and Syria and ending with Iran."'

http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/joe_conason/2007/10/12/wesley_clark

[LibDemAlways]

88. You should submit this as a comment on every site with a news

story mentioning Bush's participation at Ground Zero events today. People need to be reminded that this guy deserves no praise. He ought to be rotting in prison.

[bbgrunt]

89. what a bright start to my Sunday--

To see you post again. Your nutty words and wisdom have been sorely missed around here.

thumbs up and cool runnings your way

[kag]

90. My prediction wasn't quite that specific,

But I do remember when Al Gore stopped the fight. I cried, and told my husband I was crying for all of the people who will die under this president. I didn't venture any details, but with someone that stupid having his finger on the button, I figured we were in for some pretty serious bloodshed.

[prevere54]

93. Affirmative. I Used To Walk Past The Towers & Wonder When It Was Coming

They say hind site is 20/20. But this was as predictable as the SCOTUS installing King Dubya on the throne in 2001.

What's pathetic is that the crocodile tears still haven't stopped after an entire decade.

And the performers in the charade are waiting offstage - for now - to perform a new song and dance.

Sinister little weasels like Giuliani, Jeb, Cowboy Rick and the entire cast from both parties, are still dutifully dancing to AIPAC's tune.

Because, to miss a step means you get voted off the show.

So they'll keep playing "They Hate Our Freedom(tm)" on the play list rotation.

It's has always been a winner with the tone deaf.

Why stop something that's been so successful?

[defendandprotect]

105. WTC towers were going to have to come down because of ASBESTOS ....

they had become "White Elephants" --

and were going to have to be brought down piece by piece as they were put up!

No demolition was to be permitted because of the health hazards!

Scaffolding and the work to bring these towers down would have been hugely expensive --

therefore the SALE and whole new insurance scam with "attacks on the buildings by

terrorists covered" -- !!


Two interests simply came together -- one to bring down the WTC towers without the great

expense -- and the other to create a false flag "terrorist" attack to push a war with

Iraq for control of the ME oil producing areas -- !! No oil/No war -- What's new?


On the sidelines, as always, is patriarchy's other interest in preserving "Christianity"

as one of its main tools of conquest. Note that Bush did call it a "Crusade."

[joanbarnes]

96. I am another nutjob who has been with you the whole way.

[Safetykitten]

97. Rec.

[KoKo]

98. Good to see your post "TN"....welcome back...

My first thought that morning when I saw it on TV (while in doctor's office for checkup) seeing the second plane hit...was "Bush caused this." I had just walked in for my appointment and staff and doctors were in front of the TV staring and I couldn't figure out what the hell was going on because of the silence..and I finally asked and someone said "a plane has crashed into the WTC." The minute after I thought it...I felt creepy that I could think such a thing.

Turned out that what followed was even creepier and my first thought was not far off...Bush, Blair, PNAC.. Someday the "truth will out." Probably most of the Vietnam generation of us will never see it...but it will out.

[Swede]

104. What do you predict if Perry becomes President?

Or one of the other Republican contenders.

[KoKo]

106. Nice to see you around here, once again, Tahiti Nut..

welcome back...


My first thought that morning when I saw it on TV (while in doctor's Reception Area signing in for a checkup)and seeing the second plane hit...was "Bush caused this." I had just walked in for my appointment and staff and doctors were in front of the TV staring and I couldn't figure out what the hell was going on because of the silence..and I finally asked and someone said "a plane has crashed into the WTC." The minute after I thought it...I felt creepy that I could think such a thing.

Turned out that what followed was even creepier and my first thought was not far off...Bush, Blair, PNAC.. Someday the "truth will out." Probably most of the Vietnam generation of us will never see it...but it will come out.

So glad to see you around here. :hug: