Sarah Palin is finished. I saw it with my own eyes today.

[Mayberry Machiavelli]

I was in a room full of die hard conservative GOP voters who watch Fox News constantly. Sarah came on TV (it's always set to Fox in the place where we were), the sound was too low for me to hear what she was talking about or being interviewed about, but I heard open expressions of withering contempt for her that I would never have thought I'd hear spoken out loud by such reliable GOP stalwarts.

These are the high income, high education variety of GOP voters by the way.

The major points were that she was not a credible or serious person, that her quitting the Alaska governorship was unforgivable and unjustifiable, and that the word salad that issues forth any time you hear her speak for more than a minute or two was pretty much evidence of nothing going on inside her head.

The point was made that Fox News was hurting their agenda and damaging their credibility by continuing to have her on their channel and continuing their association with her. :rofl:

As life in GOP land began to roll on without Sarah these last couple of months, with the flop of her movie and at the Ames poll, I'd begun to get the distinct feeling that her time was already through whether she decided to run or not. But hearing such reliable GOP voters express such contempt out loud among each other pretty much confirmed it beyond any doubt.

Don't get me wrong, I'm sure many on their side have been feeling that way about her for a while, but even then I'd expect them to be reluctant to state such views among other right wingers for fear of their disapproval. But not anymore.

[livetohike]

1. Finally! I thought Palin's last gasp would be to announce she

was running for President right on the day of Pres. Obama's jobs speech, to trample all over what would be his moment. It would be like her to do so.

Now, having read your post.....I think she is toast.

[Mayberry Machiavelli]

4. I suppose my point is.. it doesn't matter anymore what she does or doesn't do.

It confirms for me that those polls that showed that 71 percent of Republicans didn't want her to run for president are most certainly accurate. She's just scraping the bottom of the barrel of redneckville.

The stupid Facebook and reality show act since her quitting the governorship has told everyone all they needed to know about the person. All the "will she or won't she" attention whoring bus tour nonsense has worn out even GOPers, they now see it for what it is.

Regardless of actual political beliefs, most people have a "people" sense when someone is being a ridiculous attention seeking superficial person, and even the right wingers now have smelled that distinct odor coming off of Palin.

Of note some of the GOPers were also cursing McCain and wondering how he managed to pick such a nitwit, this is one thing I can agree with them on.

While I'm glad McCain lost, I think if he'd lost in a more respectable way with a more respectable running mate we would likely not be in the exact spot we are in right now. Palin's emergence onto the national scene, "palling around with terrorists" and all the rest, accelerated us into the shitty political universe of Teabaggery we are in right now.

Don't get me wrong, I think all those elements have always existed and been latent in American society, Palin did not invent them. But she definitely accelerated the era where playing directly to the rednecks, openly, has become acceptable in a way it was not before.

[livetohike]

16. I think the teabaggers are imploding, or exploding

Sarah was their Queen - then Bachmann - now the Neanderthal Man Perry.

It's encouraging to read your observations from "palling around with GOPers". :-)

I live in a really red, rural area in PA. I will be encouraged when I hear the same here.

[Alameda]

28. Where in PA is that? I've met some really nice PA

Republicans....but when you talk with some of them, they really liked her. I don't know now. It's like a parallel universe.

[livetohike]

Northeast of Pgh by 100 miles

:hi:

[smuglysmiling]

46. PA is..

Philadelphia and Pittsburgh with Alabama in the middle...

[roguevalley]

58. If it makes you feel any better, honey, I hear the same and worse

in alaska. :)

[Chipper Chat]

43. It's the "librul media" that keeps her spinning (pun intended).

Chris Matthews STILL has her image popping up at the beginning of his show - like she is on par with Obama and Boehner. CNN ruthlessly (another appropriate word) covers her every time she so much as goes to the bathroom. And, as you say, she is still a Fox know-it-all. Ms Quitter would fade rapidly if CBS-NBC-ABC-AP would stop all discussion of her.
The only network I have never heard her schreech-owl voice is on the DUMONT television network :rofl:

[SharonAnn]

14. She could've announced, but I don't think anyone would've cared.

[msongs]

2. she's made millions off McCain's election-costing stupidity, she will go happily away nt

[bluerum]

3. At this point her role is to make the rest of the clowns look saner than her.

[pipi_k]

9. That's what I figured too...

although how she can make Michelle Bachmann look sane is anyone's guess...

[formernaderite]

32. exactly

I sort of wanted her to get in and win the nomination... it would have guaranteed a victory for our side.

[Shagbark Hickory]

5. That kind of thing would never happen here at DU with democratic candidates.

:silly:

[0rganism]

6. she's been obsoleted by the Bachmann

Let's face it, the Bachmann model of nutjob female Republibot is superior in many respects:
- equal or greater religious wackiness
- ability to string consecutive semi-coherent sentences together
- finishes elected terms
- crazier eyes
- nuttier ideologies

conclusion: Bachmann >> Palin

[skepticscott]

53. On top of that

For all of her nutjobbery, Bachman seems to understand that running a campaign of your own requires actual work, and that a lot of it goes on when the cameras are off and the crowds are gone. Even if Palin decided to run, she would never have been willing to put in the hard work on the ground that was required. She just wants the attention.

[Ready4Change]

7. Do you think ANY of those GOP'ers in that room

Look back to the 2008 elections and their opinions of her back then, and contrast them with their opinions today?

Do you think any of them can draw any conclusions about the differences that uncovers?

[Mayberry Machiavelli]

8. Actually, after hearing what I heard, maybe some small percentage of them.

I'd have said "zero" before.

Eh it's a start.

[chollybocker]

10. What a shame, Lou Sarah getting unfriended by Real Americans now.

Her divorce papers might help her reclaim the spotlight...they're spitting out of the printer right now....
;)

[rocktivity]

11. "These are the high income, high education variety of GOP voters by the way..."

You could have stop writing right there.

My question is, who do they like more, Perry or Romney?

:headbang:
rocktivity

[Mayberry Machiavelli]

13. Well let's just say local factors make their choice clearly in favor of Perry.

[Old and In the Way]

12. Palin's 15 minutes are over, but there are plenty of incapable hucksters

to take her place. The Republican Party is full of ideologues who think they have it all figured out. All of them would be disaster based on what we know.

[Lucinda]

15. I'm not so sure...did you see the NYT piece?

Some of Sarah Palin's Ideas Cross the Political Divide
By ANAND GIRIDHARADAS
Published: September 9, 2011

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/10/us/10iht-currents10.html

She is positioning herself to be the "anti-politics as usual" voice for the common man. Just as many of expected her to do. The NYT picked up and ran with it today.

[Muskypundit]

19. ALL politicians position themselves as anti politics as usual.

But palin actually had a couple liberal points in her speech that REALLY surprised me. If her name wasnt attached to it, we would probably agree with it.

[thesquanderer]

27. Fox turning against Palin for this?

Interesting... the NYT publishes a piece about how Palin is making some sense talking about the alignment between big business and big government, and around the same time, two major conservatives put her down on Fox, a company run by Ailes and Murdoch, whose worlds revolve around the alignment between big business and big government. I don't think Ingraham and Coulter would have done a segment about the shortcomings of tea party favorite--and Fox contributor--Palin on Fox without getting some kind of tacit approval.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/09/07/ann-coulter-sarah-palin-laura-ingraham_n_952086.html

[Bobbie Jo]

17. The sound was too low?

Consider that a blessing.

[starroute]

18. File this one along with the Borders Books thread from earlier today

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x1908966

[jimlup]

20. I think Sarah herself will be the last to know...

She's one dumb shit.

[eridani]

21. Once Bachmann signed on, Palin didn't have a chance. n/t

[krispos42]

22. Considering how good Obama is for GOP economic issues...

...they might just sit this one out if Palin runs.


"What will we gain with Palin? Really. We already have our people in the Obama White House!" they may mumble to each other.

[The Second Stone]

23. The Republican elites thought she was an idiot from the get go

and are hoping she will implode prior to grasping the nomination, which looks increasingly unlikely. The rank and file republicans love her because she is as dumb and greedy and arrogant as they are.

[Sirveri]

24. Like a troll, they only go away if you ignore them. We must ignore Palin.

The others, not so much, they're more like griefers.

[Hugabear]

25. Palin never appealed to those "die-hard" rethugs. She appeals to the rabble-rousing rethug masses

She appeals to the rethugs who actually applaud the fact that she's dumb as a box of rocks, who squeal with delight every time she puts her foot in her mouth on TV.

[AlinPA]

34. Which is most of their party.

[Tx4obama]

26. The Hard Right Skewers Sarah Palin, Vindicates Kathleen Parker

The Hard Right Skewers Sarah Palin, Vindicates Kathleen Parker
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2011/09/the-hard-right-skewers-sarah-palin-vindicates-kathleen-parker/244725/

[InvisibleTouch]

29. She's been overshadowed by even crazier crazies...

...just like she eclipsed Dubya in the ranks of "too stupid to be believed." And we didn't think it was possible.

[ChairmanAgnostic]

30. Not in her mind. She still thinks she has a chance

She recalls the glowing coverage, the crowds, the adulation, the cheering wherever and whenever she appears.

She's special, oh so special, and it is only a matter of thyme (and other power herbs) before people turn away from that Texan, and come home to Momma Bear.

[DirkGently]

31. Sarah's out to funnel money to Sarah. They need someone to funnel money to THEM.

[AlinPA]

33. The "high income, high education variety of GOP voters " are not the base of their party. Teabaggers

rule now. Christian fundamentalists, anti-science, creationists, anti-government, intolerant and crazies would go for her if she ran. It's between Perry, Palin and Bachman. No way they will go for a Mormon let alone someone who was the Governor of Massachusetts.

[JVS]

37. That's Taxachussets!

[B Calm]

35. Just shows how slow republicans are to seeing the truth. . .

[russspeakeasy]

36. Does anyone really still give a shit what palin does.?

:nuke: Might as well tell me that john mccain hates america...Who cares???

[Mimosa]

38. 'Lonesome Rhodes type flopsweat'...

was how one of Hollyweird friend described 2011 Sarah. :7

[FourScore]

39. I said it at the time and I'll say it again...

You could put a fork in 'er political career the moment Gabby Giffords got shot.

When she posted that congressional map with the crosshairs on it...The moment I saw it, I said that she sure as hell better hope that none of the people on that map gets shot. Although in my heart I had a dreadful feeling that someone would. Regardless of whether or not she is to "blame" or "at fault", it was dumb thing to do. That was the death of her political career. The stalwart GOP fat-cats might want to blame it on quitting the Governorship or some other crap (which are also true). But the truth of the matter is, her political career died the moment that bullet went through Gabby Giffords head.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

40. oh but they Michelle Bachmann now

replacement loony

[NICO9000]

41. Did they used to support her?

I guess this is my main problem with the GOP: Apparently, even the smart ones have become a bunch of morans for ever liking her in the first place.

[Moonwalk]

42. Well, first, let's keep in mind that Sarah probably never intended on running...

...she a grifter, and her lazy ass wants to do as little as possible for as much $$$ as possible. Sarah doesn't want to be president of the U.S. or even run for President of the U.S., that would take time, effort, campaigning--she's did that in 2008 along with all the debates and interviews and questions from the press. She didn't like it. It was work and it was hard and people were mean to her and her family! No. What Sarah wants is all the gravy, the perks that go with being a presidential candidate, but none of the work or chance that she might have to actually do the job. She wants to be what she is--a celebrity. Feted, asked to speak, adored by fans, given money for doing nothing but tossing out slogans, and appearing now and then on tv. That's all she's ever wanted...what else would such a former Beauty Queen want than for people to fawn over her for being their symbol and avatar?

The only time we really had to worry about Palin was during the 2008 election. After she quit as governor of Alaska, it was over; any talk from her of running for president was just a way to keep her face on the cover of Newsweek and keep the stadiums filled with cheering teabaggers.

Which doesn't mean I'm in disagreement that her time is ended. Unfortunately for Sarah, her fifteen minutes are now up. Meaning that even if she hints she'll be running, Newsweek photographers won't be asking to take her picture. And I don't think it's Bachmann who will be taking her place. I think it's Perry. He's an even "prettier" beauty queen and I'm sure the GOP thinks they've got a winner there: the handsome white Christian alternative. I suspect that the GOP has always felt that a woman would be too "iffy." They'll throw Perry up against Obama.

And alas for us...even the high income, high educated GOP will vote for him just to get rid of Obama. Palin might be dead but it's still not save to go back into the water.

[coalition_unwilling]

44. Never discount the role misogyny plays in the ranks of the Repukes either.

Sure, they pay lip service to gender equality, but deep down, the Repuke ideology embodies a pure hatred for women as anything other than sex objectgs and chattel.

Much as I'd like to think Sarah is finished for the right reasons, there's a part of me that thinks that Repuke misogyny (the wrong reason) did her in.

[pansypoo53219]

45. the GNEWS media has this brokeback mountain thing for palin.

people are finally NOT listening to the gnews hype. the gnews are just embarrassing now.

[radhika]

47. She may be TOAST for all the reasons you mentioned....

But that worthless Bag-Hag did a lot a damage to sane political discourse here in the USA. I'm not talking about strong speaking when she was running for VP with McCain, I'm talking about undermining any genuine efforts by the elected class to address the bleeding economy and resolve international wars. She, along with the other Fox Operatives helped make lies and hate speech real crowd pleasers. Here's a few of her ugliest momemts

'Death Panel' meme
Revving up T-Baggers nationwide, playing coy with racist rhetoric and violent revolution dogwhistles
'Destroying America' meme
Mocking and verbally abusing the President whenever he attempted ANY KIND OF POLICY
Mocking Michele Obama for routine FLOTUS things like vegies and fighting childhood obesity
'Lock and Load', 'Retreat, Reload' rhetoric
Endorsing and fundraising for the most toxic, hatemongering Baggers for 2010 office


CAPPER: And she picked up at LEAST $12 million dollars in 2010 (from what I read) doing this.

[tcaudilllg]

48. You don't recruit a woman to do a man's job.

[Taverner]

49. They are closing ranks

[democrat2thecore]

54. I don't know

I think this Republican race is going to go on for a long time. I saw a pundit saying (like many) that Perry may have imploded in his first debate with his dramatic defense of his printed words about Social Security. Even many Republicans , who may otherwise like the guy, want to win and they aren't going to nominate a guy who they believe can't win. Perry made himself unelectable with his words in that debate.

I still think they may end up nominating someone who's not even in the race right now.

[Voice for Peace]

63. jeb.

[Javaman]

50. she's running the non-campaign campaign. And what she's campaigning for is...

suckers money.

she's running the biggest grift this country has had to ever endure.

[Honeycombe8]

56. Great minds think alike! I think she's only about the money, too. Look at her history...

and you'll see it over and over again. She drifts (or grifts, as you say) to wherever she can the most money. THAT'S what Palin is all about.

[mnhtnbb]

51. Geeze. When will the MSM recognize this and ignore her?

[marions ghost]

52. I am so bored by Mz Palin & anything to do with her

I don't even read anything about her. :boring: She's had her fifteen minutes of fame.

[Zoeisright]

55. I think "high education" and "GOP voters" is an oxymoron.

Cruel, selfish, spiteful, greedy, hateful, and deliberately ignorant, however, are perfect complements to "GOP voters".

[ShockediSay]

57. & I think GOP voters are simply morons (unless they are looking to cash in

big time like Sarah Palin when she quit her public service Alaska governernorship).

[Enthusiast]

59. She served a vital purpose in the last election.

That was to virtually guarantee Obama's election to the presidency.

Voters were a bit apprehensive about voting for a ticket with an old sick man at the helm and an obviously ignorant bimbo as a replacement -should he have to leave office.

So we got Obama instead. Now we can dismantle the social safety net and continue the wars of aggression with the blessing of the Democratic Party and TPTB will be happy as larks at the wisdom of their plan.

It worked to perfection and 2012 is part II. Well, 2012 is actually part IV because 2000 was part I and 2004 was part II.

[sulphurdunn]

60. If she's looking to revive her career,

and score a big payday, she might consider a full spread layout for Hustler. O8)

[Gman]

61. Palin has never appealed to those folks anyway

Her target audience has always been the low information idiots like her. She considers those folks "establishment" and they intimidate her because they are much smarter than her. But then again, my dog is much smarter than her.

[paulkienitz]

62. it's almost a law of nature that right wingers self-destruct

In fact, Democratic victories and progress over the last hundred years almost always seems to come down to some Republican tool, who had all the resources and propaganda on their side, ruining their own legacy by some huge failure, thereby making the Dems look good until people's memories grew stale and some new round of propaganda could bring them back into undeserved power.

This is good for us right now because people's memories are still pretty fresh. Rick Perry is very easy to paint as a second Bush, and Bachman is easy to paint as a second Palin.