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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-09-11 12:09 PM
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MI citizens filed suit to stop dictator-like Emergency Manager law. Arne praises same law highly.
The citizens say the law is not democracy, "this is dictatorship." Arne commends Governor Snyder for it. He says education reform can be done faster because of "the leadership in place." Does he know what he is talking about? Does the president who appointed him approve of such tactics?

In fact the Emergency Manager law takes away rights of citizens. Snyder is trying to rush the lawsuit past the state's judicial system. Here is more about it from the Lansing State Journal August 19.

Gov. Rick Snyder wants to fast-track a legal challenge to the state's law granting new powers to emergency managers appointed to run financially struggling cities and schools, by having the case go directly to the Michigan Supreme Court.

The revised law, signed by Snyder in March, lets emergency managers strip power from locally elected leaders and scrap union contracts.

That takes away citizens' rights to vote for and petition local government on matters of local concern, according to the Sugar Law Center suit. The suit also says the law suspends "home rule" for cities by giving emergency managers the power to repeal local ordinances and contracts.


"The mentality behind the emergency manager law is that fair process doesn't matter, input from all stakeholders doesn't matter, and decisions are better if they are simple and fast," John Philo, legal director of the Sugar Law Center, said in a statement. "This rush to the Supreme Court reflects the same attitude, and shows a fundamental mistrust of the state's established judicial system."

Snyder wants fast review


Scraps union contracts? Suspends home rule?

More about the lawsuit:

Lawsuit seeks injunction on Emergency Manager law

This is not democracy this is dictatorship, she said. They talk about other communist countries this is following the same things they were doing. How can this be democracy when there is no accountability just one person in power?

Benton Harbor is a test center, she said, If it goes through in Benton Harbor they are going to start doing this all over the state.


The lawsuit names as defendants Gov. Rick Snyder and state Treasurer Andy Dillon.

More:

This is an infringement on basic democracy, said plaintiffs attorney John Philo of the Sugar Law Center for Economic and Social Justice. It really is an experiment in a new form of government one person rule.

The complaint alleges that the law, violates the rights of local voters by attempting to delegate law-making power and the power to adopt local acts to unelected emergency mangers, by suspending the rights of local electors to establish charters and to elect local officials, and by imposing substantial new costs and expenses upon local municipalities without providing new revenue.

The law is so extreme, the plaintiffs say, that it establishes a new form of local government, previously unknown within the United States or the State of Michigan, where the people within local municipalities may be governed by an unelected official who establishes local law by decree.


A law that in effect turns just about everything over to the new emergency management person.

This is really scary stuff to me, and I wonder if Arne Duncan is even aware of what he is supporting.

Seems the Broad Foundation will be involved in this one.

However, sources said that the Broad Foundation and other philanthropic organizations will pump significant amounts of money into the new authority. According to sources, Snyder has had several meetings with Eli Broad, the founder of the foundation, which is dedicated to education reform and has assets of more than $2 billion.


However Arne Duncan is praising Snyder at getting so much done. I wonder if he is even aware of the things being done to turn the schools over to one-man rule? If he isn't, why not? He should know about that.

U.S. education leader Duncan optimistic about Detroit reform

Detroit U.S. Secretary of Education Arne Duncan said Thursday he thinks Detroit can be the fastest improving school district in the United States because of the leadership in place and the massive education reform under way across the city and state.

"Two years later, I couldn't be more hopeful and optimistic about Detroit and where it's going to go," Duncan said, referring to his visit to Detroit in 2009 when he declared the city ground zero for education reform.

Duncan, sitting with Gov. Rick Snyder, Detroit Public Schools Emergency Manager Roy Roberts, Mayor Dave Bing and other leaders, thanked all three men for "stepping up" to reform education in Detroit and the state.

"You have a leadership team in place to do something remarkable here," Duncan said.


In fact Snyder and his Emergency Manager make no secret they are catering to corporations.

Telling picture...Snyder "huddles" with executives



Detroit Public Schools emergency manager Roy Roberts (second from right) speaks to a group of executives, including Michigan Gov. Rick Snyder, on the porch of the Grand Hotel at the Detroit Regional Chamber's Mackinac Policy Conference earlier this month.

Nathan Bomey | AnnArbor.com


The Detroit Free Press reported late Sunday night that philanthropist Eli Broad's $2 billion Broad Foundation would provide "significant amounts of money" to a new authority to force more changes in the remarkably dysfunctional Detroit Public Schools system.

It sounds a lot like Facebook co-founder Mark Zuckerberg's $100 million donation to an initiative led by education reform advocates to improve Newark Public Schools. (Supported, of course, by Democratic Newark Mayor Cory Booker and Republican Gov. Chris Christie.)

Or perhaps the Broad Foundation initiative is similar to former Washington, D.C. schools chancellor Michelle Rhee's effort to pool philanthropic dollars to nudge teachers to give up tenure in exchange for higher salaries.


I wonder if Arne even understands the kind of leadership the Michigan governor had put in place...a dictatorship as the citizens of Michigan called it. Does he know about the lawsuit? Does he realize what he is praising so publicly? Does the president who appointed Arne realize the "reforms" that Arne just praised?

Once Eli Broad said that the "stars were aligned" for reform when Arne was appointed. Looks like he will be pleased with Detroit reforms.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-09-11 12:14 PM
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-09-11 12:16 PM
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2. I was outraged to read Arne's words. Wonder if Obama knows he said it?
Probably. I am outraged and angry.
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msongs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-09-11 12:53 PM
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4. he is merely an employee implementing the agenda of his boss nt
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-09-11 01:23 PM
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10. I think we must assume that unless we hear otherwise.
I hate to think that.
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Occulus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-10-11 10:10 AM
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37. Arne Duncan is a dangerous mole.
Edited on Sat Sep-10-11 10:15 AM by Occulus
He's no kind of Democrat, even of the DLC/Third Way type. He's not a Republican either; he's an unapologetic corporatist who is trying to destroy public education. From these remarks, he doesn't even believe in the validity of our form of government!

People, it's really, really damn big that someone so high up in a Presidential administration, Democratic or Republican, would feel comfortable saying these things. This "emergency manager" law is fascism. The "emergency manager" gets to set aside any or all elected officials and take full and complete control over any local government.

"Just go home," the Emergency Manager told the city council. "You don't have any authority anymore."

"We are this city's duly elected officials," one red-faced member nearly shouted. "We are the authority here, not you!"

"Not anymore." The smug almost dripped from the Emergency Managers words. "The law says I can set you aside and I have. No elected official in any city is safe; if they mishandle public money the way you all have, someone can come in and take control and that someone is me."

They all stared at him in disbelief. "We're just a poor town," one woman, the now-former city Treasurer, whispered. "It's not our fault."

"If you have a problem with it, you can change the law," he said helpfully. "But for now, get out of my office."

"Thrown out of my own office," one of them sadly said as they filed out. "Elected officials," another muttered.


The sounds of gun safes being unlocked and ammunition boxes checked was heard in most of their homes that night. One of them used the gun on himself.



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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-09-11 12:45 PM
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3. More praise from Arne....this is so frustrating. Does he know what he's saying??
"Duncan said he was encouraged by Michigan's leadership, including DPS emergency manager Roy Roberts, Mayor Dave Bing and state Superintendent Mike Flanagan.

"There's an alignment of talent at the highest levels that you haven't seen before," Duncan said.


He praised the hiring last week of John Covington, the departing Kansas City, Mo., school district superintendent who will lead the new Education Achievement Authority."

http://www.freep.com/article/20110901/NEWS01/109010425/... |topnews|text|FRONTPAGE

An alignment of talent at the highest levels?

Does Obama know what he is saying about Michigan? Does he agree?
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-09-11 03:11 PM
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19. I wonder how many people in Kansas City would call Covington talented
Hmmm
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dtexdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-09-11 01:02 PM
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5. There have always been syncophants who praise dictatorial rule.
Royalists who have bemoaned the end of royal tyranny. The U.S. was founded on the promise of doing away with royalty and its tyrannies. But there will always be those who call for a return to it.
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AverageJoe90 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-09-11 01:06 PM
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7. Don't forget the Silver Shirts & certain others........
....who supported Hitler in the '30s. We also have plenty of morons & bigots today who support post-Mao China, or many of the Islamist terror groups & regimes in the Middle East + North Africa.
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radhika Donating Member (563 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-09-11 01:05 PM
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6. Arne is doing what just he was hired to do....
..break the system of free Public Education. Transfer all that paid-in taxpayer capital to private titans of Wall Street and their corporate operatives.

It's those snively little non-Creators in MI that are getting in the way.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-09-11 01:19 PM
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9. This has been unrecced down from 5 to 1 in less than 6 minutes.
Edited on Fri Sep-09-11 01:24 PM by madfloridian
So I gather there are many here who think Arne is doing the right thing and that I am wrong.

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hifiguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-09-11 01:53 PM
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12. Bingo
and rec'd.
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Metta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-09-11 01:11 PM
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8. They don't understand he inherits the suffering their actions cause.
Arne's tone deaf. He's a tool of business. The community isn't at the table when he makes deals. He's the worst kind of elitist.
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Overseas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-09-11 01:36 PM
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11. Hard to believe a Democrat would support such dictatorship.
Even Republicans should be upset about it.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-09-11 02:09 PM
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13. I agree.
We should all be upset, no matter what party.

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Fuddnik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-09-11 02:48 PM
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14. What Democrats?
We've been bamboozled.
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Fuddnik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-09-11 02:49 PM
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15. Kick and Rec!
Welcome to fascism.
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DrunkenBoat Donating Member (584 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-09-11 03:02 PM
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16. Who knew a Democrat would enact the Bush agenda: "If this were a dictatorship, it'd be a heck
of a lot easier, just so long as I'm the dictator."

- Bush
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-09-11 10:15 PM
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32. Hard to believe Bush really did say that. Here's the video.
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tcaudilllg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-09-11 03:06 PM
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17. And you're so disorganized
you can't do anything about it. The Dems lack divisible organization. The party is too hierarchical... it needs to be a conglomerate of state parties to which the DNC answers. As it is, the state parties answer to the DNC and it's become a disaster. Donations should be given to the state parties only, and the DNC should have to solicit these. Direct donating to the national party = loss of municipal power. For that matter, don't donate to your state party -- donate to your COUNTY party and leave it to them to funnel the money upward. Of course I'm not saying you can't or shouldn't donate to individual candidates, but donating to the "super" parties themselves is disaster.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-09-11 03:32 PM
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20. There is nothing around which to organize.
Not right now. When people find meaning and purpose, they will organize. It's gone beyond being about one man now, things are too deadly serious.



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tcaudilllg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-09-11 04:04 PM
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21. Organize around turning Obama back to the left.
Edited on Fri Sep-09-11 04:04 PM by tcaudilllg
And replacing problem Dems with alternatives. And this needs to happen county by county. Take the corruption's foundation out from under it.
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Occulus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-10-11 10:23 AM
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39. Do you not see the way people who try are shouted down here?
Are you even reading the site all that much?

People who do such a thing as you suggest are "haters who want to ride President Bachmann's Crazy Bus and never really liked Obama".
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chervilant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-09-11 04:25 PM
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22. hmph
Our entire political system is broken--and totally co-opted by the corporate megalomaniacs who've usurped our media, our government, and our global economy.

Public education, a relatively recent 'social leveling tool,' has never been fully supported by the 'powers that be.' Even now, the best, and most exclusive, schools are reserved for the uber wealthy, with the expectation that their monied offspring will reap the sweetest plums: those rare, cushy jobs with the highest salaries and the best benefits.

Still, here you are, denigrating the "democratic party" for "lacking visible (didn't you mean?) organization." This is akin to telling a battered woman that if she would just shut up and do what her husband demands, she wouldn't get hit. Core Democratic ideals will remain the target of the vile hedonists who fully intend to insure their GLOBAL hegemony, and NOTHING we Democrats 'do' within the current toxic system will change that reality.

Indeed, our entire species is facing catastrophic economic reordering, as the hoi polloi continues to witness the ginormous disconnect between what the corporatists (and their sock puppets here--most of the Republicans and quite a few Democrats) are telling us, and what we're actually experiencing. You see, these uber Wealthy sociopaths are underestimating us--to their peril.

BTW, hierarchy transcends party lines, and is the most damaging social construct we humans have *ever* inflicted on ourselves.
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saras Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-09-11 05:35 PM
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26. Yes! Yes! A thousand times yes! - you've PINPOINTED what's wrong here a DU.
It's the source of the whole "you peons are just supposed to support what the smart folks upstairs want to do, you're not supposed to QUESTION it" meme.
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Occulus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-10-11 10:21 AM
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38. You have to understand Michigan
This is actually a very conservative state with a couple liberal havens sprinkled through the biggest parts of land. The Devos family, they of Amway fame, holds down the fort in Grand Rapids and has friends all through state government. Note that there has been no effective Democratic governor in Michigan in at least thirty years, and lots of Republican legislators throughout. I don't know why I stay here, really. This state is an economic and political shithole for the most part.

It's pretty, though. Especially in the fall.
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Fuddnik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-09-11 03:09 PM
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18. Why is Obama wanting to refurbish schools, to be turned over to private charters.
More corporate welfare, that we don't want or need.

Public funds should only go to Public Schools. Schools that are going to stay public.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-10-11 09:43 AM
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36. I agree that tax money should only go to public schools....
that the public can hold accountable.
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lunasun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-11 12:15 AM
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43. I thought about that proposal too and even if public now, once rehabbed could
go to charter anyway
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Starry Messenger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-09-11 04:29 PM
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23. k&r
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-09-11 04:35 PM
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-09-11 04:57 PM
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25. Fascism: It's for Everybody
Forever

(if the BFEE have their way.)
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-09-11 07:25 PM
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27. Sounds like Arne would be happy for every state to enact such laws.
Frankly the law sounds like martial law in many ways....just taking over everything from everybody.

I do not understand why there is not more alarm when a national figure praises a law like this because it will get things done faster.

I feel sick.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-09-11 08:17 PM
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29. It is seriously sickening.
Check out another confidant's, ehm, portfolio:

Cass Sunstein's Spine-Chilling Proposal.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-09-11 08:37 PM
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30. From your link about Sunstein....this is indeed chilling.
"Sunstein advocates that the Government's stealth infiltration should be accomplished by sending covert agents into "chat rooms, online social networks, or even real-space groups." He also proposes that the Government make secret payments to so-called "independent" credible voices to bolster the Government's messaging (on the ground that those who don't believe government sources will be more inclined to listen to those who appear independent while secretly acting on behalf of the Government). This program would target those advocating false "conspiracy theories," which they define to mean: "an attempt to explain an event or practice by reference to the machinations of powerful people, who have also managed to conceal their role." Sunstein's 2008 paper was flagged by this blogger, and then amplified in an excellent report by Raw Story's Daniel Tencer."

Greenwald just keeps on keeping on in spite of the attacks on him for speaking out like this.

Good for him.
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-09-11 08:05 PM
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28. one thing about arne..
he has never hidden his contempt for public education and it`s union membership. what he tried to hide but failed to do was cover up the failures of his reforms.we know the president believes and approves in arne.

after all, they are b-ball buddies and their moms had a lot in common.

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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-10-11 01:28 AM
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34. That's true. One of his first moves was going after teachers' unions.
I don't think he cares at all what public school teachers think.
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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-09-11 08:48 PM
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31. Arne Duncan is a carrier
of the plague our nation is currently suffering.



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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-09-11 10:23 PM
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33. Colbert's segment explained the law very plainly.
http://www.businessinsider.com/watch-stephen-colbert-bl...

Great video, mostly about Benton Harbor.

I think this is intolerable in our country. Why the hell is a Sec. of Ed praising it??
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w0nderer Donating Member (430 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-10-11 05:07 AM
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35. k&r for reading later n/t
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Reader Rabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-10-11 11:04 AM
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40. I didn't think I could dislike this man any more than I already do.
And every time I think that, he opens his yap to prove me wrong.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-10-11 11:34 AM
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41. It is chilling he would say that about taking away the rights of voters...
and giving those rights to one man..an emergency manager.

I can't get my mind around it.

I keep waiting for someone to come out and say, oh wait, Arne did not really mean that. :shrug:
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suffragette Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-10-11 12:29 PM
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42. Tyranny
and Arne supporting it.

Sorry I'm too late to recommend, but here's hearty

:kick:
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WHEN CRABS ROAR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-11 02:33 PM
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44. I still don't understand how the right of the voters to elect
their own representatives can be taken away legally.
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