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snooper2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-09-11 09:31 AM
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Bank of America robocall grieving widow 48 times a day - How it really works
Edited on Fri Sep-09-11 09:42 AM by snooper2
Anybody here know what an Autodialer is? That other thread is full of so much misinfo I had to purge my pretty little brain (Is babs still alive?)

Well, if you are running a collection agency, a good chunk of your monthly budget is spent on telecommunications. I don't know if BoA(Bank of America) has that in-house, or outsourced, but works the same way.

You can configure the autodialer with list of TN(telephone number) to be dialed, and there are variations/options in the rotation. Obviously the lists can be from thousands to hundreds of thousands of TN. A lot of these have moved from a TDM(time division multiplexing) to SIP(session initiation protocol) environment over the past five years, and if you are on the provider side you kind of frown on this type of traffic for a number of reasons.

First off, these call types have a high CPS with a low call hold time. Nothing worse for capacity planning your network, and also it taxes your switching systems. (CPS - calls per second; Hold time is the duration of the call) Last thing I want is a customer anchored to one of our edge switches trying to send me 30-40CPS with a completion ratio of 10-15% and average hold time of 17 seconds. But there are providers who specialize in this type of traffic and in most cases a premium is charged by the provider.

On the autodialer side, there is a lot of flexibility. I know of another of companies who wrote their own code and usually have it running on an Asterisk box. COTS(common off the shelf) solutions, even the shitty ones, let you configure how often a number is dialed, how the pool is routed, even the CPS settings. Also, you can set how the number rotates back in the pool based on whether the call was connected or not. That's why sometimes if you answer your phone and you realize it was a collection agency and hang up real quick, within a minute or so it will dial your TN right back. This is to cover cases where the call was inadvertently disconnected.

On the comments about the CLID(calling line identification) and blocking, that is basically a free for all. Sometimes they just call as private or blocked, sometimes it's an 8xx number they want people to call back into for missed calls, sometimes they spoof the CLID. FCC rulings actually have specific verbiage around collection agencies and what they can and can't do. Makes for some interesting readings if you want to go goooooogleees it :)


So anyway, now you know. BoA was completely bullshitting the masses with this comment-

"The bank told the widow that it was unable to stop the calls until the debt was paid as they were computer generated."

But in reality it was probably an outsourced company running the autodialer, and a couple BoA telecom guys had the basics on how it was running. Oh, and the voice trunks/circuits would be dedicated to this traffic. It's not like there is some evil dungeon with a bunch of nubs calling the same numbers over and over and over with their pointer finger :rofl: . When the call is connected, then the puter' bridges up an ext. to the call center- (rings phone on desk of next available agent).




So, now you know. You can go home and tell mom and dad you learned something at school today :)

ON EDIT- Added some additional information on acronyms so folks don't have to gooooooogggless those too...
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ThomWV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-09-11 09:36 AM
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1. Never use undefined Acronyms in your writing, it leaves the audience with no idea what you mean
Boa, TN, TDN SIP,CPS CLID FCC - none of these acronyms is defined and it is impossible to have any idea what you are talking about without that information.
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snooper2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-09-11 09:42 AM
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4. fixed for ya
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ProdigalJunkMail Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-09-11 09:37 AM
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2. good info...
but didn't really LEARN anything...oh, in the call center 'hold time' is time on actual hold...what you are calling 'hold time' would more accurately be called 'handle time' in the call center. 'hold time' may be more to the point outside the customer switch environment.

sP
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snooper2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-09-11 09:44 AM
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5. Well, on the provider side the time from call answered to call disconnected is hold time
Edited on Fri Sep-09-11 09:44 AM by snooper2
as captured in the CDR (call detail records) CDR are what are used for billing. We bill even if you keep the call on hold. Makes no difference if you are talking or not, call is utilizing resources on our network :)
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ProdigalJunkMail Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-09-11 09:52 AM
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9. i can dig it...
it's one of the reasons measuring 'hold time' in the call center is so important...people think it is just to improve customer satisfaction, but it is about getting the best % of talk time for efficiency purposes...

fun stuff.

sP
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no_hypocrisy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-09-11 09:40 AM
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3. She should sue Bank of America -- TREBLE DAMAGES!
The Fair Debt Collection Practices Act (federal regulation)

What Collectors Cannot Do
Say they are representing an attorney.
Tell you that legal action will be filed against you.
Call before 8:00 AM and after 9:00 PM in the time zone where the debt is located. In other words, if you have given your mobile/cell phone number and happen to be traveling outside of your time zone, the time zone where you live – not where you are – must meet these time restrictions.
Use obscene language and/or shout at you.
Call repeatedly to annoy or harass you.
Talk about your debt with anyone (such as a relative).
Inaccurately tell you the amount you owe.
Call you at work if you inform them that your employer does not allow you to take such calls.

http://www.leavedebtbehind.com/debt/debt-collection/debt-collection-federal-rules/
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Generic Other Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-09-11 09:45 AM
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6. Could she call block them with the help of phone company?
I don't care if I owed them a million dollars. One call a week is excessive. 48 in one day is harassment and stalking.
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snooper2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-09-11 09:53 AM
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10. It really depends on what the CLID information is, and your providers willingness
And the aptitude of their care/repair folks. Something like this would have to more than likely be escalated to engineering at every company I know of.

Also depends if the telecom that is servicing the autodialer is sending the correct charge number information. I would have to get into a lot of detail here but it would be above a lot of peoples heads. Unless you are an SIP and SS7 guru.

You could probably call in and say that you have been getting harassing calls, and would have to have a pretty close timestamp to when the call occurred. (Monday at 8:43 CST) Then a smart person can trace back where that call ingressed the network, and could put a block on inbound call control from that number. But it's a pretty big pain in the ass in most cases (for people like me :) )

Then of course if the collection agency is spoofing their number you may be shit out of luck....
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pipi_k Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-09-11 09:48 AM
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7. For years I was paying for an unpublished phone number
here in the house. That means it's not only kept out of the phone books, but it will not be given out to anyone dialing information (411).

Even so, I still got computer-generated calls. Some of them, if they're not calling specific numbers, go through a whole list of consecutive numbers, so that's how my number got dialed.

One thing I learned, after getting caller ID, is that if I didn't answer the phone a few times, they gave up. But it's not just that the phone rang and rang. No...if the answering machine picks up, the computer on the other end knows it's not a real person and doesn't switch the call over to a human. Sometimes a computer has called here and I have picked up the phone only to get silence on the other end. Probably because "all available operators are busy" at the time, but since a real person did pick up here, they know it's not going to be a total waste of time to call back again.

And again. And again.

This is why I think it's stupid to keep answering and hanging up on robocalls.

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Generic Other Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-09-11 09:51 AM
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8. For two years I got a call EVERY NIGHT at 3 am
When I answered, I got some funny sound. It drove me nuts. I finally got caller ID. When I called the number, there was no answer as it was a fax machine number. The phone company would not tell me who was calling. I convinced someone there to bend the rules and give me a name. I think I made up some story about dying of cancer. When I called the number, it was a tire company with a new phone system. They were very apologetic and quickly identified and solved the problem.

I was a bit shocked that the phone company wasn't even willing to check out the issue. Took three seconds to resolve when I called.
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snooper2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-09-11 09:56 AM
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11. Every phone company has records of every single call that ever occurs on their network
trust me...


one more acronym- CALEA
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Generic Other Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-09-11 11:26 AM
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13. Which doesn't help much when they are not allowed to devulge
"Nah Nah. We know. You don't. Ha ha. We can't tell you!" OUCH! I always suspected as much. The ones who would not divulge info were always very apologetic and polite.

Just following orders as Ward Churchill would say...
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snooper2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-09-11 11:02 AM
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12. Kick it took me more than 14 seconds to write this
:)
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eppur_se_muova Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-09-11 04:00 PM
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14. K&R&bookmarked. nt
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