I deslike Buchannan as much as the next person

[nadinbrzezinski]

but on this one he is correct... you know stuck clock and all... and I do need a shower...

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How Capital Crushed Labor
by Patrick J. Buchanan 09/06/2011

Once, it was a Labor Day tradition for Democrats to go to Cadillac Square in Detroit to launch their campaigns in that forge and furnace of American democracy, the greatest industrial center on earth.

Democrats may still honor the tradition. But Detroit is not what she was, not remotely. And neither is America.

Not so long ago, we made all the shoes and clothes we wore, the motorcycles and cars we drove, the radios we listened to, the TV sets we watched, the home and office calculators and computers we used.

No more. Much of what we buy is no longer made by American workers, but by Japanese, Chinese, other Asians, Canadians and Europeans.

http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=45987

[democrat2thecore]

1. I read that yesterday. Pat is right on this

One of the only books I've read by a Republican in the last decade was "The Great Betrayal" by Pat Buchanan. I agree with him that politicians who have voted for tax breaks for companies to move to China are guilty of TREASON and I don't take that term lightly.

We need more Democrats talking like Pat on this issue. Our manufacturing base is almost completely gone, largely paid for by you and me.

[Lydia Leftcoast]

2. Sad but true: the otherwise loathsome Pat Buchanan

was the first well-known politician to talk about the outsourcing of jobs.

[democrat2thecore]

4. Very true. Very true.

He warned of this LONG before it became a reality. He wrote op-eds about laws that were being written to HELP corporations move manufacturing plants to China and Mexico and had to say, "I'm not making this stuff up." Nobody believed him. And if you think abouty it, why WOULD you? It's an absurd notion to think we would basically hand over our manufacturing base to foreign powers with our own tax money!

Now look at our cities.

[nadinbrzezinski]

5. And so did Ross Perot

[elleng]

3. He is smart, and fairly often correct as here.

[Warren DeMontague]

11. Pat Buchanan is "fairly often correct"? The man's a fucking Nazi.

And I don't say that lightly.

What else has he been 'correct' on, lately?

[elleng]

19. Several things; don't recall exactly.

Try this: http://buchanan.org/blog/a-conspiracy-of-counterfeiters-4856

Often Nazi-like, yes. Does NOT mean he is never correct about anything.

[Warren DeMontague]

23. Ah, yes, the old "conspiracy of the international money changers".

cough. cough.

ahem.

:eyes:

[Warren DeMontague]

25. Shit.. Did you even READ the article you linked to?

He's attacking Paul Krugman and defending Rick Perry.

The thesis being that inducing any inflation of any sort would be bad for those over-capitalized (i.e. the really rich) and good for people under-capitalized and in debt (i.e. the really poor). And, as usual, Herr Buchanan can't resist the subtle implication that everything is being manipulated behind-the-scenes by "The Jooos". :eyes:

[Angry Dragon]

6. That is one reason why these free trade agreements are a farce

What are we going to trade with them??

What do we make here that they will buy and what products can they afford??

[nadinbrzezinski]

7. There is more

The Mexican Government has to run constant PSAs to convince people NAFTA was such a good deal... it wasn't.

[Angry Dragon]

8. Why was it not good for Mexico??

[nadinbrzezinski]

9. Among other things the shoe industry is gone

salaries are not that high, in fact they not only flattened but crashed.

And in general the maquiladoras have moved to china...

Oh and the country side... well the ejidos are under attack by companies like Monstanto... and others.

[tkmorris]

14. It's unclear to me how NAFTA caused anything to move to China

Could you explain?

[Selatius]

16. It's not. It helped explain manufacturing centers moving to Mexico but not China.

With respect to China, that was due to its entry into the WTO and its most favored nation trading status. Few can compete with a labor force where the average worker is typically paid less than a dollar per hour with few benefits living under a military dictatorship that cares little for enforcing labor and environmental regulations.

[nadinbrzezinski]

24. And that is the story

Those maquiladoras literally moved within three months...new frontier is Vietnam, now that Chinese workers are demanding better pay.

[Selatius]

26. Yeah, Viet Nam is the next China. They'll work for wages and benefits that are even lower. nt

[Lydia Leftcoast]

17. The U.S. dumped its surplus agricultural goods in Mexico

driving Mexican family farmers out of business. There's a lot of your illegal immigration and recruiting for narco gangs right there.

Meanwhile, the agribusiness types use Mexico for plantations to grow off-season produce for export to the U.S. market using cheap labor and lax environmental regulations.

[Warren DeMontague]

10. Cars & motorcycles... utilize the physics of motion. Radio? TV? The theory of electromagnetism.

processors and other microelectronic devices are now shrinking to the size that quantum theory is becoming a factor in their design.

Know what that is, Pat?

SCIENCE.

The very thing you knuckle-dragging cretins fear, hate, and can't understand.

Want our kids to be ready for the jobs of the 21st century? Stop letting creationists fuck up their high school science curriculum.

[nadinbrzezinski]

12. But how else can we have Presidential Candidates

tell us that Galileo got outvoted for a while?

Next, Galileo never existed and the sun does indeed go around the Earth... a great ball of flaming tar (thank Krispos for that one)

[Kalidurga]

13. The problem as always with Pat and Conservatives in general,

is they lay the blame on workers you know for wanting enough money to live on and stuff like that. Sure wages look high, if you average out a companies wages. But, most of the wages are paid to executives it isn't the entry level worker that is sinking the company it is the bloated wages of the CEOs.

[Douglas Carpenter]

15. he has always been this way- a mixture of CRAZY right-wing xenophobia with working class populism

He always said some things where most progressives would agree. I remember his clever description of of Steve Forbes flat tax proposal as, "sounds like something dreamed up by the boys down at the yacht club."

Of course on post-cold war foreign policy, the whole theme of his philosophy is summed up by his book titled, "A Republic - Not an Empire." I'm sure most progressives would at least ostensibly agree.

Though it is tempting to feel some affinity or at least desire to feel some affinity whenever we find someone on the right who seems to be more progressive in many respects than the leadership of today's Democratic Party - These points of ostensible agreement are in many many ways classic old-style right-wing right-wing mimes born more out of cold xenophobia and isolationism than out of anything remotely progressive. I would dare say that if one talks with most militia member types or even neo-KKK types and certainly members of the so-called, "patriot movement" - one will find many of these same themes mixed with a world of racism, bigotry and hateful conspiracy theory - usually. with strong anti-Semitic overtones.

If one listens on the surface to Mr. Buchanan talking about U.S. foreign policy in the Middle East. One might naively get the impression that he has real humanitarian concerns and might even be an ally in the cause of peace. But recall how Mr. Buchanan spoke about he recent murderous attack at a summer camp for teenage kids in Norway. He left no doubt that his great sympathy was not with kids and their families who were victims of his mass murdering attack. His sympathy was with the worldview of the perpetrator driven by fierce xenophobic and in this case anti-Muslim hysteria. He is hardly an ally in the cause for peace in the Middle East.

His longing for the past includes a memory of an America driven by hard working union men working in heavy industry and intermixed with a longing for a mythical and romaticized pass where the "native" white American man was king of his own little castle. Whatever agreement progressive may have the likes of a Pat Buchanan - it is quite by accident and driven by vastly different motivations with opposite and irreconcilable worldviews.

[Romulox]

18. Why do you think the President didn't deliver his "jobs speech" in Detroit?

Because he wasn't about to propose tax cuts for the rich and "Free Trade" with South Korea in Detroit, on Labor Day. He was too ASHAMED.

[Motown_Johnny]

20. I live in Detroit, was at the rally Monday, am against free trade and still...

...would rather hear more about that shower you mentioned. :nuke: :wow: :evilgrin:

[trumad]

21. Fuck that POS

Can't wait for his time to expire.

[Bake]

22. He's right about one thing ... the US is the biggest market in the world

Time we charged something for access to that market.

Bake