Gov. Perry: "Galileo got outvoted for a spell."

[Lunabelle]

Oh My God ! I am howling. He was eventually proven correct!!!!!! LOL

[Lucian]

1. Haha.

[nadinbrzezinski]

2. No he wasn't

The sun still goes around the Earth...

:sarcasm:

Just ask Perry.

[Logical]

5. LOL.... you fooled me! Nt

[nadinbrzezinski]

6. Well this is comedy gold

the stupid hurts

[WheelWalker]

8. +1 Outstanding

[spooky3]

13. I can't wait until Jon Stewart and S. Colbert get their paws on tonight's debate footage...

[nadinbrzezinski]

14. It should be fun, but until tomorrow... time in the east

Tonight's show should be in the can by now

[krispos42]

17. And it's a big ball of flaming tar.

That's why the Earth is only 6,000 years old... if it was any older the tar would have burnt itself out by now and the sun would have become a crusty, gooey black hole.

[nadinbrzezinski]

22. And all this time I thought it was just a big fireplace

but tar burns slower.

Good point.

:thumbsup:

[cali]

3. he also said that Texas cleaned nitrous oxide out of the air. huh?

[Webster Green]

10. No shit? They had a lot of nitrous oxide in the air?

Sounds like fun. Why did he get rid of it?

Hippie crack.

[TomClash]

4. I was shocked - what a hoot!

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[rurallib]

9. I find it hard to believe Perry has any idea who Galileo is

probably thinks he is one of the founders or something.

[malaise]

11. Perry probably doesn't know that

:rofl:

[spooky3]

12. Like the theme from Beverly Hillbillies...

Take yer shoes off...set a spell...

[jberryhill]

15. Perry believes that science is determined by votes

[Hosnon]

16. Didn't he mean that the prevailing scientific view at the time was wrong? nt.

[Lunabelle]

18. Galileo was the prevailing scientific mind of his time, the father of the scientific method

Which proves global warming and it's causation. Perry tried to make a point, but it failed him big time.

[Hosnon]

23. But he challenged the orthodoxy of the time, i.e., geocentrism.

Obviously he was right, but at the time it wasn't the accepted scientific model.

[JHB]

24. Actually, it was about his calling the pope a simpleton...

...and had a lot more to do with politics than science. But the science had become politicized, so that provided the pretext. Plus, on a personal level Galileo could be abrasive, and had racked up a number of people who didn't mind seeing him taken down a peg.

Dialogues, which was published in 1632 to great popularity, was an account of conversations between a Copernican scientist, Salviati, an impartial and witty scholar named Sagredo, and a ponderous Aristotelian named Simplicio, who employed stock arguments in support of geocentricity, and was depicted in the book as being an intellectually inept fool. Simplicio's arguments are systematically refuted and ridiculed by the other two characters with what Youngson calls "unassailable proof" for the Copernican theory, which reduces Simplicio to baffled rage, and makes the author's position unambiguous.<25> Indeed, although Galileo states in the preface of his book that the character is named after a famous Aristotelian philosopher (Simplicius in Latin, Simplicio in Italian), the name "Simplicio" in Italian also has the connotation of "simpleton."<27> Although authors Langford and Stillman Drake assert that Simplicio was modeled on philosophers Lodovico delle Colombe and Cesare Cremonini, Pope Urban's demand for his own arguments to be included in the book resulted in Galileo putting them in the mouth of Simplicio. It is not clear why Galileo chose to do this rather than create another character to represent Pope Urban's views. In any event, Galileo had mocked the very person he needed as a benefactor. He also alienated his long-time supporters, the Jesuits, with attacks on one of their astronomers.

This portrayal of Simplicio made Dialogue Concerning the Two Chief World Systems appear as an advocacy book: an attack on Aristotelian geocentrism and defence of the Copernican theory, and because Galileo gave Urban's words to Simplicio to espouse, furious cardinals insisted to Pope Urban that Simplicio was intended to represent him. Though this was not the case, as Galileo was a friend of Urban's who was grateful for Urban's support to date, Urban was persuaded of this notion, and months after the book's publication, banned its sale and had its text submitted for examination by a special commission, which reported against Galileo.<25> Most historians agree Galileo did not act out of malice and felt blindsided by the reaction to his book.<28>

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galileo_affair

[Hosnon]

26. That may have been what put him in the hotseat.

Nevertheless, the theory he supported was against the scientific grain.

I see Perry's comments as supposing (1) a hypothetical vote by 17th century academics on geocentrism, and (2) a hypothetical vote by 21st century academics on climate change. Both would likely receive majority votes, and since geocentrism is clearly incorrect, Perry concludes that scientific consensus can't be trusted.

What he fails to realize is that science in the 17th century was no where near as developed as it is today. The circumstances then should not be used to conclude much of anything regarding the weight of scientific consensus today.

[A-Schwarzenegger]

19. Perry cites his academic source for the Galileo claim.

http://www.irwincorey.org/

[Bluebear]

20. A spell? Was Christine O'Donnell there too?

[Poll_Blind]

21. LOL, and that means I have to post the obligatory link to the Sonify This version of her...

...I'm Not A Witch speech.

I still watch that thing, sometimes. And I love that she actually said "I'm not a witch."

I never thought I'd live to see the day an American politician paid money to run a commercial to clear up that fact.

Fucking delicious.

PB

[WinkyDink]

25. "For a spell" indicates that "[but was] eventually proven correct" was exactly Perry's point.

[ck4829]

27. He was imprisoned for the rest of his life and his books were banned, that's not being "outvoted"

That's authoritarianism, plain and simple.