The office of the President cannot call people 'Sons of Bitches'

[Joe the Revelator]

Saying that Hoffa speaks for himself, instead of repudiating him, is as close to agreement as any President will ever get.

[dennis4868]

1. nothing the prez does...

will make alot of people happy here...IMPOSSIBLE!

[Creideiki]

37. and nothing the President does

will make an ever diminishing number of people here unhappy...IMPOSSIBLE!

However, I'm at least respectful enough to use the full title as opposed to some little pet nickname.

[LWolf]

69. The President could do plenty of things to make me happy.

He won't, though, because he is a right-wing neo-liberal, and right-wing neo-liberal policies aren't ever going to make me happy.

Let me know when he:

Stands for labor by working AGAINST NAFTA/CAFTA, refrains from publicly praising mass firings of teachers, actually puts those shoes on and shows up to walk the line in WI or anywhere else labor's back is against the wall, stops talking about cuts and works to tax the rich and invest in infrastructure and domestic safety nets, abandons neo-liberalism, gets rid of all the fucking centrist/dlc/"new dem"/3rd way assholes in his administration and appoints some real, honest, "old" Democrats who will fight for us...

I'd love to see him become a shadow of the socialist the far-right are always telling us he is.

Let me know when any of these things happen.

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[Creideiki]

38. Sock puppets are against the rules

Saying things like that might come back and boomerang on some other posters here. That would be sad.

[Nye Bevan]

3. President Obama didn't call anybody anything.

Who says that he needs to get involved every time someone says mean things about Republicans?

[Joe the Revelator]

4. That's the point. People are mad that e Wh said, of Hoffa....

"he speaks for himself. He speaks for the labor movement. "

[seabeyond]

23. sounds exactly right to me. figuratively and factually. nt

[SnoopDog]

5. A real Democratic President would and shove it in their faces...

[jaxx]

7. LOL that is just funny.

Would that be the one who doesn't exist except in the mind?

[MadHound]

6. Sure it can,

Go look up LBJ and Truman. Hell, learn your history and look up Andrew Jackson. He said a lot more than sons of bitches.

[Joe the Revelator]

9. Please send me any link where any President OFFICIALLY called someone a "bitch"

[Historic NY]

20. Truman called Nixon a lying bastard...& he was quite Free with using SOB's

[Joe the Revelator]

22. When did he use that in his official capacity as President.did his Press sec. call Nixon a SOB..

....during a press conference? Did Truman use it in a speech? If not, you're missing the point.

[guitar man]

27. Exactly

If Truman was president today the teabaggers would have been called that and worse long before now :P

[Joe the Revelator]

30. Exactly what? When did Truman call anyone a " bitch" in an official capacity?

[guitar man]

59. ...

"To hell with them. When history is written they will be the sons of bitches - not I. "

"Richard Nixon is a no good, lying bastard. He can lie out of both sides of his mouth at the same time, and if he ever caught himself telling the truth, he'd lie just to keep his hand in. "

But the quote I was thinking of was actually FDR, not Truman.


"He may be a sonofabitch but he's our sonofabitch "

So it would not seem that salty language from the President is unprecedented.

[Joe the Revelator]

60. An official position of the WH or POTUS calling someone an sob would be unprecedented.

[guitar man]

61. Whatever

Maybe it's about damn time then with these fucking Nazi-esque teabagging bastards we are dealing with.

[leftynyc]

67. That's not what happened here

Why are you pretending it did?

[Erose999]

72. Theres a first time for everything... That being said, it was Hoffa who actually said "SOB". It

would be completely out of Obama's character for him to call his BFF golf buddies Agent Orange and McTurtle Sons of Bitches.

So I'll do it for him. Agent Orange and Mitch McTurtle are sons of bitches and are unworthy of my respect.

[DJ13]

8. Ever heard of LBJ?

[Joe the Revelator]

11. Seethe post directly above yours.

[DJ13]

17. You're fast!

Son of a bitch, I forgot Truman!

:)

[MannyGoldstein]

13. You beat me to it. Truman was particularly amusing. nt

[ecstatic]

14. Back then, presidents were allowed to have extramarital affairs too!

Nobody would bat an eye, much less demand resignations. Surely you know that times have changed!

[Joe the Revelator]

15. Nobody says that years from now historians won't report that Obama called republicans a bunch of...

"mother fucking dog ass kickers" but the point remains that no President would do that officially, like some of you would like Obama to.

[MannyGoldstein]

31. I think we just want Obama to at least call them out for what they are

Instead of appeasing them at every turn. At least meet the standard of Bill Clinton - and that's a pretty low bar.

FDR would be a high bar, but that's a whole other galaxy than Obama inhabits.

[Joe the Revelator]

33. That's fair, and I agree, but some seem to expect Obama to have gotten up after Hoffa...

....and start talking about Cantor's mother. That will just never happen.

[MannyGoldstein]

41. I'd rather that Obama rip the Republicans a new one with facts

and certainly he needs to stop the "both sides are at fault" horseshit. He needs to join the fray, not pretend he's above it.

[scheming daemons]

36. "Mr. Hoffa speaks for himself" is NOT an appeasement, Manny.. and you know it

[MannyGoldstein]

40. I didn't say that it was.

Carney's response was reasonable, but a better response would have been something like: "Mr. Hoffa speaks for Mr. Hoffa, but the President certainly understands the anger and frustration that organized labor has for the Republicans that are trying to destroy their rights to organize."

[The Backlash Cometh]

10. I'm so fucking tired of all the mundane bullshit that Democrats allow themselves

to be drawn into. The fucking sky is falling, people. Don't we have more important things to talk about?

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[Scurrilous]

16. K & R

:thumbsup:

[pacalo]

18. It's Hoffa's call to apologize; not Obama's. Obama shouldn't have been asked about someone else's

remark; the person asking was hoping for a response that would put a wedge between Obama & Hoffa.

[scheming daemons]

19. And Obama's response was the PERFECT response. Agreement without being explicit.

[Occulus]

24. I don't see it that way at all.

Obama was distancing himself the same way every politician has ever done.

It was the worst response possible. If you support labor.

[Joe the Revelator]

25. What would you have had him say? A repudiation would be " the worst response for labor"

[scheming daemons]

26. No... the worst response would be "we repudiate what Hoffa said"

In fact.. the White House did the opposite.



I guarantee you that Mr. Hoffa has no problem with the White House saying that he speaks for himself.

[seabeyond]

28. he stated the obvious fact... nt

[pacalo]

45. It certainly was. And I should have added that there's no need for Hoffa to apologize.

If there's one thing the Republicans have taught us since 2000, it's that they are sons-of-bitches.

[seabeyond]

21. hoffa really has nothing to do with him. he cannot really say anything.

not his place.

[joshcryer]

29. "Speaks for itself" is arguably the strongest stance an administration can take...

...on something controversial.

[Claudia Jones]

32. straw man

Has anyone suggested that the White House should use that language?

[scheming daemons]

34. Yes! There a dozens of posts with people claiming that Obama's agreement with Hoffa

wasn't "forceful" enough.

[Claudia Jones]

47. don't be silly

Saying that they wanted a stronger expression of support from the White House does not equal calling for the White House to use that language.

[Joe the Revelator]

35. Yes, when they got that boxers in a bunch over Obama saying that Hoffa "speaks for himself"

[Claudia Jones]

48. simply not true

The people you are attacking did not suggest that the president should call anyone an SOB.

[Joe the Revelator]

50. 'the people I'm attacking'?

Really?

[Claudia Jones]

52. yes

The people you are attacking.

[Joe the Revelator]

55. You and I have different definitions of the word attack....please let me know how I'm attacking

Anyone, other then when I explained to you why my post wasn't a straw man argument, as you called it in your attack ( using your logic) of me.

[Journeyman]

39. Actually, both JFK and Truman are on record calling people "sons of bitches". . .

JFK in regards the executives of US Steel ("My father always told me that all businessmen were sons of bitches, but I never believed it till now."), Truman to all his critics ("To hell with 'em. When history is written they'll be the sons of bitches - not I.").

[Joe the Revelator]

43. JFK said that in private...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=437x3406 ( see elad's post)

I'm pretty sure the Truman quote wasn't an official statement by the POTUS.

[Skittles]

42. um - did you GOOGLE before your declaration?

because - you are WRONG

[Joe the Revelator]

44. Feel free to enlighten me with an official statement from the POTUS or the WH

Referring to someone as a son of a bitch. Private conversations that came to light later do not count.

[Skittles]

46. does it say that in your OP?

[Joe the Revelator]

49. Yes..

[Skittles]

51. this is total BS

Saying that Hoffa speaks for himself, instead of repudiating him, is as close to agreement as any President will ever get.

it's DISAVOWMENT and it SUCKS - ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY SQUANDERED

[Joe the Revelator]

53. How in gods name do you take that as a disavowment?

Thats beyond blind hatred on your part.

[Skittles]

54. the subject is now CLOSED

and whatever YOU call it, everyone else sees it as BACKING DOWN.

[Joe the Revelator]

56. Yes, everyone else.....and I'm glad that you are so open to discussion....

That you can tell us what everyone thinks and when a subject is closed. Funny stuff skittles. Kutgw!

[Skittles]

57. GET SOME READING COMPREHENSIONS KILLS

the SUBJECT AT HAND (Hoffa / White House) is now CLOSED - and the end result is it looks like the White House SLITHERED AWAY

[Joe the Revelator]

58. You're obviously not yourself tonight.....

....sleep it off.

[jberryhill]

62. It kills?

I know mine is killing me, trying to comprehend that line.

[Jack Rabbit]

63. O, c'mon. WWHTS?

What would Harry Truman say? What do you suppose he would have called them?

[eridani]

64. Agreed. Good call on this one

I was expecting a wussy apology, and am delighted that one was not proferred.

[Raine]

65. self-delete nt

[McCamy Taylor]

66. Yes, it can.

[Kahuna]

68. If YOU or anybody else wants that comment repudiated, seek that

repudiation from HOFFA, not the president. The president is not responsible for what comes out of Hoffa's or anyone else's mouth.

[Bandit]

70. I would bet based on past examples that if Hoffa worked for the Government he would be fired by now.

There are several examples of persons being fired for less...

[Kahuna]

71. If Biden can allegedly call the teabagger congress terrorists..

or what ever he allegedly called them, and not be repudiated by the president, I don't think Hoffa has anything to worry about.