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Donnachaidh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-06-11 07:51 AM
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Our Vanished Civil Liberties
http://www.thenation.com/article/163057/our-vanished-civil-liberties

Caricatures created by politics never fit comfortably into the Oval Office. Eisenhower was less deferential to the military than he seemed likely to be, Kennedy was not at all beholden to the pope, George W. Bush was smarter than portrayed and Barack Obama has not led a charge from the left—least of all on behalf of the civil liberties that have eroded since September 11, 2001.

In pursuit of both terrorists and common criminals, Obama has perpetuated so many of the Bush administration’s policies that even Republicans might take heart. Granted, he triggered an outcry on the right when he attempted to close the Guantánamo prison and try the accused 9/11 plotters in federal court, and he repudiated the Bush/Cheney torture policies by ordering interrogators to abide by the Army Field Manual. His moderately liberal judicial nominees, including two for the Supreme Court, have not won him points with the Federalist Society, which grooms young conservatives for the bench.

Otherwise, though, there has been little in his civil liberties record to bother nonlibertarian Republicans. Data collection on individuals has flourished without judicial oversight. People under no suspicion are still monitored clandestinely with Bush-era legal tools. State secrecy is invoked to thwart lawsuits by victims of government abuse. Leakers and whistleblowers are aggressively prosecuted, and federal agencies vigorously resist inquiries made under the Freedom of Information Act. Last spring the hard line against defendants’ rights reached into certain criminal matters that have nothing to do with national security.

Affairs of state tend to drive most presidents toward the center on both foreign and domestic policy, no matter where on the political spectrum they begin, and especially so in the areas of intelligence and law enforcement. Institutional inertia doesn’t allow for quick reversals, federal agencies’ interests transcend administrations and the White House stands at a confluence of perpetual crises. So presidents are hardly inclined to give up their powers, even those they decried as candidates.

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ixion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-06-11 07:56 AM
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1. government, in general, doesn't give up power. It only takes more.
Which is why the powers of government should be limited and monitored, and the politicians who exceed those limitations should be prosecuted.
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atreides1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-06-11 08:58 AM
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3. Just saying
"The more corrupt the State, the more numerous the laws."
Tacitus, Roman Senator and historian
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alc Donating Member (649 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-06-11 08:52 AM
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2. some people are willing to give up liberties
For instance the freedom to choose not to purchase a product from a private company.

You may justify/rationalize/explain it in all sorts of ways and tell us how health insurance is different from any other product. The the fact is you are letting the government set a precedence to force us to purchase a product, which is a very scary loss of liberty.
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-06-11 10:00 AM
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4. k and r
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tblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-06-11 10:38 AM
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5. Gee. He didn't tell us that when he was running.
Wonder why not? :shrug:
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