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nashville_brook (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-04-11 10:13 AM Original message |
What Democrats can do about Obama - Salon |
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Poll_Blind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-04-11 10:19 AM Response to Original message |
1. Of it all, the thing that makes me the angriest is that Obama gave legitimacy to Bush's policies. |
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nashville_brook (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-04-11 10:21 AM Response to Reply #1 |
4. omg that mr fish cartoon is high-lar-ious! |
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QC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-04-11 10:29 AM Response to Reply #1 |
6. What is worse, he has made crummy "centrist" policies officially "liberal" |
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Poll_Blind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-04-11 10:35 AM Response to Reply #6 |
9. Or this whole "Social Security is ON the table" madness. |
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QC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-04-11 10:38 AM Response to Reply #9 |
11. Yep, the Republicans were running from Paul Ryan like scalded dogs, |
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DirkGently (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-04-11 10:53 AM Response to Reply #11 |
23. That's exactly what it feels like, isn't it?" Oh you dropped your sword? Take mine, sir." |
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QC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-04-11 11:05 AM Response to Reply #23 |
29. It is surely just a remarkable series of coincidences. n/t |
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PonyJon (165 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-05-11 12:29 AM Response to Reply #29 |
287. Vote a STRAIGHT DEMOCRATIC TICKET, you will be happy. |
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tblue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-05-11 01:49 AM Response to Reply #287 |
295. We did. |
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nashville_brook (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-05-11 09:14 AM Response to Reply #295 |
333. +1 |
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dameocrat67 (442 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-05-11 02:21 AM Response to Reply #287 |
296. he had a majority in 2008. Why didnt he do anything with it. |
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Lorien (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-05-11 07:28 AM Response to Reply #296 |
312. They conveniently ignore that fact and make weak excuses |
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Le Taz Hot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-05-11 07:14 AM Response to Reply #287 |
308. Pony OnTrick: |
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tomp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-05-11 08:05 AM Response to Reply #287 |
320. ahhh, the voters made a mistake! |
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SusanaMontana41 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-05-11 10:13 AM Response to Reply #320 |
362. Thank you, thank you, thank you. |
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QC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-05-11 09:07 AM Response to Reply #287 |
331. I've been voting straight Democratic tickets since 1984. n/t |
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nashville_brook (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-05-11 09:34 AM Response to Reply #331 |
346. me too. |
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QC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-05-11 10:05 AM Response to Reply #346 |
358. Yes, that was a tough night. I had worked the Mondale/Ferraro campaign |
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Enthusiast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-04-11 01:07 PM Response to Reply #11 |
118. "Why does he keep throwing lifelines to the Republicans?" |
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newspeak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-05-11 11:40 AM Response to Reply #118 |
370. yes, I have voted democratic all of my life |
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fishbulb703 (492 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-04-11 01:51 PM Response to Reply #11 |
132. +1 I thought this guy was going to help us. |
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Proud Liberal Dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-04-11 02:02 PM Response to Reply #11 |
133. President Obama rejected the Ryan Plan |
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QC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-04-11 02:31 PM Response to Reply #133 |
142. Obama validated the central premise of the Ryan Plan, |
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Proud Liberal Dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-04-11 03:10 PM Response to Reply #142 |
150. For people following the whole thing (like we do)---maybe |
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Stinky The Clown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-04-11 06:36 PM Response to Reply #142 |
209. I've noticed that the arguments in rebuttal fous increasingly on arcane, meaningless details . . . . |
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QC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-04-11 07:17 PM Response to Reply #209 |
225. Yes, I have noticed that. |
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Stinky The Clown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-04-11 10:11 PM Response to Reply #225 |
278. I agree. |
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Bake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-06-11 10:26 AM Response to Reply #225 |
392. Minutiae? Get us OUT of two wars and see what happens to the deficit. |
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AlbertCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-05-11 08:39 AM Response to Reply #142 |
325. namely that "entitlements" are the source of the deficit |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-05-11 04:13 AM Response to Reply #133 |
300. Repukes are already using Obama's willingess to cut lifeline programs against Democrats |
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ProfessionalLeftist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-04-11 08:07 PM Response to Reply #11 |
247. Why does he keep throwing lifelines to the Republicans? |
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Vanje (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-04-11 10:22 PM Response to Reply #247 |
279. Yep nt |
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Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-05-11 12:48 AM Response to Reply #247 |
289. Dumb |
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chill_wind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-04-11 08:52 PM Response to Reply #11 |
261. +1 |
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spooked911 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-05-11 09:42 AM Response to Reply #11 |
352. because he's a puppet of the evil PTB who want those things destroyed |
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Honeycombe8 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-04-11 10:51 AM Response to Reply #9 |
20. If you voted for Obama or Hillary Clinton...you voted for change to Social Security. |
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Poll_Blind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-04-11 11:01 AM Response to Reply #20 |
27. Bullshit. Quote the speeches where he and Clinton said they'd offer up SS for cuts. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-04-11 11:11 AM Response to Reply #27 |
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iemitsu (524 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-04-11 11:55 AM Response to Reply #27 |
69. whatever their intent in saying that SS needed attention |
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Honeycombe8 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-04-11 04:41 PM Response to Reply #27 |
172. It's all over the place. I saw it firsthand on TV. I watched LOTS of campaign speeches...and EVERY |
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fasttense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-05-11 06:03 AM Response to Reply #172 |
303. And he never said he would close GITMO? |
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PonyJon (165 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-05-11 12:31 AM Response to Reply #27 |
288. Vote a STRAIGHT DEMOCRATIC BALLOT - give Obama a real majority to work with. |
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tomp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-05-11 08:07 AM Response to Reply #288 |
321. you again, carrying obama's burden, blaming the people. |
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fascisthunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-05-11 09:25 AM Response to Reply #288 |
342. lol... yeah, THAT worked out so well before |
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eilen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-05-11 09:40 AM Response to Reply #288 |
350. The Democrats are ineffective and incompetent |
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sabrina 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-05-11 11:54 AM Response to Reply #288 |
374. You got that wrong. The Democratic Party leadership lost the 2010 |
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INdemo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-04-11 11:06 AM Response to Reply #20 |
32. Show me the facts that Obama or Hillary planned cuts in SS |
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sabrina 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-05-11 11:50 AM Response to Reply #32 |
373. Here: |
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Mr Deltoid (694 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-04-11 11:07 AM Response to Reply #20 |
34. Hillary is not timid |
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newspeak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-05-11 11:46 AM Response to Reply #34 |
372. I knew Hillary was DLC |
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nashville_brook (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-04-11 11:09 AM Response to Reply #20 |
39. we'd love to see your links on that. did i miss Obama's speech on The Fierce Urgency of Cutting SS? |
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rhett o rick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-04-11 12:37 PM Response to Reply #39 |
101. So your point is that we shouldnt worry about SS and Medicare because Obama hasnt given a speech |
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nashville_brook (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-04-11 04:22 PM Response to Reply #101 |
159. should have included the "sarcasm" taggie. |
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rhett o rick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-04-11 08:55 PM Response to Reply #159 |
263. Oh, apparently you DONT have a point. I was trying to do you a favor and guess your point |
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nashville_brook (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-05-11 09:24 AM Response to Reply #263 |
340. psst.... |
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rhett o rick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-05-11 11:02 AM Response to Reply #340 |
368. Oh, that's different........nevermind. |
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Honeycombe8 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-04-11 04:43 PM Response to Reply #39 |
174. I don't recall that they used the term "fierce urgency." But yes, they both said it needed to be |
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nashville_brook (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-04-11 08:47 PM Response to Reply #174 |
256. so, you can't produce a link. |
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rhett o rick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-04-11 08:56 PM Response to Reply #256 |
264. Can you provide a link showing that Obama supports SS and Medicare? nm |
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JDPriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-04-11 10:09 PM Response to Reply #174 |
277. Obama's plan was to raise the cap. |
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bvar22 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-04-11 11:57 AM Response to Reply #20 |
71. Here is The VIDEO. |
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Honeycombe8 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-04-11 04:46 PM Response to Reply #71 |
175. Bingo. You win the prize. He DID in fact say that SS needed reform sooner rather than |
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Occulus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-04-11 01:02 PM Response to Reply #20 |
116. What a line of crap. |
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Honeycombe8 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-04-11 04:49 PM Response to Reply #116 |
177. Facts can be very upsetting, I know. But it is true. I suspect you didn't follow Obama's campaign |
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trud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-04-11 06:49 PM Response to Reply #177 |
212. Afghanistan |
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ooglymoogly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-04-11 08:29 PM Response to Reply #177 |
252. Your arguments are just so much phony baloney. |
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Honeycombe8 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-05-11 08:55 AM Response to Reply #252 |
327. You don't understand. I'm not making an argument. I'm just stating facts. |
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ooglymoogly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-05-11 10:50 AM Response to Reply #327 |
367. You are taking "facts" and twisting them to meet the needs of your argument. |
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fascisthunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-05-11 09:30 AM Response to Reply #252 |
344. well stated... |
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ooglymoogly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-05-11 10:45 AM Response to Reply #252 |
366. sorry wrong place nt |
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Union Scribe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-04-11 05:40 PM Response to Reply #20 |
190. So we shouldn't have voted for him in the first place. |
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leveymg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-05-11 07:01 AM Response to Reply #190 |
304. What were our other choices? What could we do once Obama was elected, if he wanted to turn right? |
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Honeycombe8 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-05-11 09:00 AM Response to Reply #190 |
328. I'm not expressing an opinion at all, about anything. I just stated facts. Amazing.. |
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JDPriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-04-11 10:06 PM Response to Reply #20 |
276. Obama's plan was to raise the cap. |
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Honeycombe8 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-05-11 09:33 AM Response to Reply #276 |
345. Yes, that's what I recall. But I can't be sure of all the details of his plan to "fix" SS. |
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JDPriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-06-11 05:26 PM Response to Reply #345 |
393. I recall a sort of speech he gave to his supporters on |
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russspeakeasy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-04-11 10:24 PM Response to Reply #20 |
280. Some people are very defensive, some people are just full of shit. |
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Honeycombe8 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-05-11 09:06 AM Response to Reply #280 |
330. Don't shoot the messenger. It's true. Both Obama and Hillary's assessment |
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bvar22 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-04-11 11:51 AM Original message |
Cutting Goverment Spending and de-funding the Safety net during a RECESSION... |
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nashville_brook (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-04-11 12:02 PM Response to Original message |
74. we needed this administration to FIX the holes in our ship from the last decade...now we're so deep |
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DirkGently (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-04-11 05:46 PM Response to Original message |
192. Very well put. |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-04-11 12:54 PM Response to Reply #9 |
111. ... and Social Security hasn't excaped -- Obama has cut its funding and stopped COLA's ...!!! |
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readmoreoften (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-04-11 12:31 PM Response to Reply #6 |
96. They're not "centrist" policies. They are rightwing policies. They only appear "centrist" because |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-04-11 12:56 PM Response to Reply #96 |
114. +1000% --- |
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QC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-04-11 01:25 PM Response to Reply #96 |
123. Yes, when a nation's political spectrum runs from the right to the far right, |
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hay rick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-04-11 07:05 PM Response to Reply #96 |
217. + |
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glinda (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-04-11 11:44 PM Response to Reply #96 |
284. That is the job of the Tefarties. To pull everything more to the right. |
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Lorien (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-05-11 07:14 AM Response to Reply #284 |
307. That's been the job of the RNC and DLC for decades |
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fascisthunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-05-11 09:35 AM Response to Reply #96 |
347. They don't even "appear" to be "centrist"... they are extremist views... |
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nashville_brook (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-05-11 10:05 AM Response to Reply #96 |
357. +100000 |
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hulka38 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-04-11 07:48 PM Response to Reply #6 |
238. Exactly. |
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Sherman A1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-05-11 03:51 AM Response to Reply #6 |
299. Officially, perhaps |
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Lorien (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-05-11 07:12 AM Response to Reply #6 |
305. By "Centrist' you mean "Right Wing" |
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newspeak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-05-11 11:56 AM Response to Reply #305 |
375. and as Jim Hightower's book title states |
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yardwork (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-05-11 08:37 AM Response to Reply #6 |
324. That's one of the most unforgiveable things he's done. |
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nashville_brook (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-04-11 10:32 AM Response to Reply #1 |
8. i think that's when many people "turned-off" -- our cultural narrative requires justice, and we were |
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Octafish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-04-11 10:53 AM Response to Reply #8 |
21. No one is above the law. |
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nashville_brook (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-04-11 10:58 AM Response to Reply #21 |
25. that's what we've been trained to expect...but that's not what happened, and that's created |
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iemitsu (524 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-04-11 12:30 PM Response to Reply #25 |
95. and guaranteed the end of US global supremacy. |
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nashville_brook (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-04-11 04:26 PM Response to Reply #95 |
162. excellent points. "American Exceptionalism" and "excellence" of any kind is earned. |
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swilton (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-04-11 09:26 PM Response to Reply #95 |
265. We would actually be stronger as a nation if we had a |
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iemitsu (524 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-04-11 10:57 PM Response to Reply #265 |
282. you bet. |
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DirkGently (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-04-11 11:08 AM Response to Reply #8 |
35. ... so all bets are off. Exactly. If what Cheney did wasn't crime, there is no crime. No law. |
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nashville_brook (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-04-11 11:13 AM Response to Reply #35 |
45. chaos...and, apathy. |
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Little Star (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-04-11 10:41 AM Response to Reply #1 |
13. What scares me the most is putting things like SS, etc.... |
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Poll_Blind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-04-11 10:46 AM Response to Reply #13 |
14. That's exactly the (nightmarish) point. President Obama did things Conservatives would... |
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Little Star (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-04-11 10:47 AM Response to Reply #14 |
17. Thanks for the link. I feel like we are down the rabbit hole. |
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bvar22 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-04-11 03:40 PM Response to Reply #14 |
153. ...AND, the Republican Campaign Commercials have already been made. |
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QC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-04-11 10:47 AM Response to Reply #13 |
16. Nixon to China and all that. n/t |
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amborin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-04-11 11:13 AM Response to Reply #16 |
43. when a Democrat does these things, |
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jwirr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-04-11 12:18 PM Response to Reply #43 |
86. Are you trying to say that the rethugs are not fixated on party and |
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amborin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-05-11 11:45 AM Response to Reply #86 |
371. no, |
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swilton (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-04-11 09:30 PM Response to Reply #43 |
266. Totally agree with that argument |
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alsame (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-04-11 11:07 AM Response to Reply #13 |
33. We can't and the elected "Democrats" won't. I fully expect |
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Poll_Blind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-04-11 11:08 AM Response to Reply #33 |
37. My Dem. House Rep, Senator will. But they're on Obama's shit list, unfortunately. |
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alsame (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-04-11 11:22 AM Response to Reply #37 |
50. I should have said 'not enough elected Dems'. There are a handful |
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Little Star (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-04-11 11:13 AM Response to Reply #33 |
44. That seems to be the mission. GWB could not privatize.. |
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Poll_Blind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-04-11 11:19 AM Response to Reply #44 |
47. It's worth pointing out that there is a big segment of our party fighting Obama's conservative... |
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iemitsu (524 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-04-11 12:41 PM Response to Reply #47 |
104. would that be the PF, the professional left? |
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QC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-04-11 12:44 PM Response to Reply #104 |
105. PF? Professional Felt? |
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DirkGently (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-04-11 12:52 PM Response to Reply #105 |
110. People's Front (of Judea?) |
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QC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-04-11 12:54 PM Response to Reply #110 |
112. I hate those guys. The Judean People's Front, on the other hand,... |
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Dragonfli (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-04-11 01:13 PM Response to Reply #112 |
119. splitters!!! |
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stuckinarut (242 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-04-11 08:26 PM Response to Reply #110 |
251. I'm a member of the popular people's front...lol |
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iemitsu (524 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-04-11 01:24 PM Response to Reply #105 |
122. i'm still wondering what that F stood for. |
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QC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-04-11 02:31 PM Response to Reply #122 |
143. Genuine mavericks are not constrained by mere letters and such. n/t |
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swilton (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-04-11 09:33 PM Response to Reply #47 |
267. I hope that this Salon article will |
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alsame (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-04-11 11:21 AM Response to Reply #44 |
49. "Only Nixon could go to China". Yep, the Dems had to open |
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DirkGently (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-04-11 12:22 PM Response to Reply #13 |
89. WHY reverse THE most successful distinction between them & us? WHO thinks that wins? |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-05-11 12:27 AM Response to Reply #1 |
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mfcorey1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-05-11 05:43 AM Response to Reply #1 |
302. Serve the base crap and they will go into a feeding frenzy as evidenced here. nt |
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sulphurdunn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-05-11 09:28 AM Response to Reply #1 |
343. The play book |
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SavWriter (114 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-04-11 10:19 AM Response to Original message |
2. Oh but we're told we have to back Obama |
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nashville_brook (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-04-11 11:48 AM Response to Reply #2 |
64. or, who'd continue illegal wars for oil...or, who'd ruin Social Security and Medicare/Medicaid |
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Lorien (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-05-11 07:30 AM Response to Reply #64 |
313. A repug would have a tough time doing all of those things |
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Sarah Ibarruri (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-04-11 10:20 AM Response to Original message |
3. Good post. |
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closeupready (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-04-11 10:55 AM Response to Reply #3 |
24. Totally agree with you. |
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swilton (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-04-11 09:37 PM Response to Reply #3 |
268. I also have no expectations for his forthcoming speach |
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ChiciB1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-06-11 08:36 AM Response to Reply #3 |
387. Yes, It's Been Said That It's NOT In His DNA... He's A Laid Back Type Of |
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kentuck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-04-11 10:24 AM Response to Original message |
5. Wow! |
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Little Star (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-04-11 10:30 AM Response to Original message |
7. I agree! We need a viable primary challenger quick! k&r |
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Honeycombe8 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-04-11 10:59 AM Response to Reply #7 |
26. That's like saying you need a viable challenger to the sun! You can propose one... |
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Little Star (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-04-11 11:05 AM Response to Reply #26 |
30. I disagree. We've got a problem here Houston!!!! Over and out. |
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nashville_brook (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-04-11 11:11 AM Response to Reply #26 |
41. "Political parties need to be flexible enough to allow for new ideas to come into the process, |
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Honeycombe8 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-04-11 04:38 PM Response to Reply #41 |
170. Well, the elders could try to "convince" Obama not to run. I'd like that, you'd like that... |
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DirkGently (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-04-11 11:25 AM Response to Reply #26 |
51. The sun? No, Obama is not the sun. The world does not orbit around Obama. Sorry. Jesus. |
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QC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-04-11 11:34 AM Response to Reply #51 |
57. You're not a fan of the obamacentric universe theory? n/t |
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readmoreoften (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-04-11 12:33 PM Response to Reply #57 |
98. We all bask in his big cowardly radiance. |
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nashville_brook (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-04-11 04:27 PM Response to Reply #98 |
163. is there any kind of protection we can wear for that? OPF factor 30? |
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stillrockin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-04-11 04:29 PM Response to Reply #57 |
165. Zing! |
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Honeycombe8 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-05-11 09:13 AM Response to Reply #51 |
332. Not just Obama. ANY sitting President rises and sets until he loses an election... |
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nashville_brook (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-04-11 11:27 AM Response to Reply #26 |
54. he's gone from "immensely popular" to "personally popular" -- just b/c he's a nice guy doesn't mean |
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OnyxCollie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-04-11 09:51 PM Response to Reply #54 |
272. Yeah, let's vote for the guy we'd like to have a beer with. |
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Honeycombe8 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-05-11 09:15 AM Response to Reply #54 |
334. True. But that wasn't what I said, was it? It's one reason that party members won't work to defeat |
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nashville_brook (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-04-11 11:45 AM Response to Reply #26 |
60. The Obamacentric Universe Theory!! huzzah! |
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MissDeeds (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-04-11 11:57 AM Response to Reply #26 |
70. When "the leader of the party" |
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nashville_brook (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-04-11 02:59 PM Response to Reply #70 |
148. not The Obama Party...precisely. |
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rhett o rick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-04-11 12:17 PM Response to Reply #26 |
85. So what's your idea? nm |
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iemitsu (524 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-04-11 12:47 PM Response to Reply #26 |
107. republicans, or their policies, win if we don't challenge obama |
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Honeycombe8 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-05-11 09:17 AM Response to Reply #107 |
335. A challenger will almost ensure a Republican win. And that's not the same as Obama |
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iemitsu (524 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-05-11 11:18 AM Response to Reply #335 |
369. what evidence do you have that obama does not want to end SS and medicare too? |
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Bluebear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-04-11 01:32 PM Response to Reply #26 |
127. We brought HIM to the dance, thank you |
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Honeycombe8 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-05-11 09:18 AM Response to Reply #127 |
336. That's an old expression. You leave with the guy that brung you to the dance. nt |
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Bluebear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-05-11 09:20 AM Response to Reply #336 |
337. I know the expression |
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Union Scribe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-04-11 05:42 PM Response to Reply #26 |
191. Well that was...revealing. |
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tcaudilllg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-04-11 08:02 PM Response to Reply #26 |
246. The president who never served |
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quakerboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-05-11 01:19 AM Response to Reply #26 |
293. Screwed either way |
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Lorien (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-05-11 07:16 AM Response to Reply #26 |
309. None of us owe Obama a damn thing |
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Honeycombe8 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-05-11 09:24 AM Response to Reply #309 |
341. True enough. But I have my own interests...not to vote to end SS and Medicare... |
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dionysus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-04-11 04:34 PM Response to Reply #7 |
169. lol |
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fascisthunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-05-11 09:38 AM Response to Reply #7 |
348. home run! |
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TwilightGardener (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-04-11 10:36 AM Response to Original message |
10. I don't like things being asserted as truth that are simply opinion. |
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Little Star (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-04-11 10:46 AM Response to Reply #10 |
15. I disagree with your opinion. He promised hope & change & didn't deliver.. |
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TwilightGardener (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-04-11 10:49 AM Response to Reply #15 |
19. The article is opinion, my opinion is opinion, your opinion is opinion. |
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Little Star (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-04-11 11:09 AM Response to Reply #19 |
40. Then why did you post you opposed opinions????.. |
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TwilightGardener (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-04-11 11:50 AM Response to Reply #40 |
65. I think it's important to recognize that this is simply another person's opinion. |
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Little Star (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-04-11 11:59 AM Response to Reply #65 |
72. Then I guess we agree. ;) |
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rhett o rick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-04-11 12:02 PM Response to Reply #10 |
75. I think it is safe to assume that what you read on here is all opinion. If you know "The Truth", |
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bvar22 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-04-11 12:08 PM Response to Reply #10 |
79. The reason that old people were worked up about Death panels... |
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TwilightGardener (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-04-11 12:35 PM Response to Reply #79 |
99. I do not disagree that the administration underestimated the extent |
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iemitsu (524 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-04-11 12:55 PM Response to Reply #99 |
113. people did and do want universal health care. |
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bvar22 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-04-11 06:06 PM Response to Reply #113 |
199. The People would have supported a simple expansion of Medicare. |
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swilton (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-04-11 09:45 PM Response to Reply #79 |
270. Beautiful! |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-04-11 12:25 PM Response to Reply #10 |
91. We lost 2010 because people had no jobs. not over death panels or spending. |
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Proud Liberal Dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-04-11 02:05 PM Response to Reply #91 |
134. What "big liberal jobs program" did he promise (and fail to deliver on)? |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-04-11 02:10 PM Response to Reply #134 |
136. I'm not great at digging up campaign promises but this might be it: |
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Proud Liberal Dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-04-11 02:28 PM Response to Reply #136 |
141. He pushed for a Stimulus larger than what NANCY PELOSI was initially pushing for |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-04-11 02:48 PM Response to Reply #141 |
146. Yes, the Republicans have no problem trying to destroy the country. |
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Claudia Jones (464 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-04-11 07:14 PM Response to Reply #134 |
223. that is what the Republicans say |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-05-11 05:33 AM Response to Reply #10 |
301. The angry elderly people believed the Republican lie of being defenders of Medicare |
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sulphurdunn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-05-11 09:02 AM Response to Reply #10 |
329. Pendulum Swing? |
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CrispyQ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-05-11 09:45 AM Response to Reply #10 |
353. If Obama doesn't win in 2012, though, it will be because he wasn't liberal enough. |
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MissDeeds (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-04-11 10:38 AM Response to Original message |
12. K&R |
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DirkGently (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-04-11 10:48 AM Response to Original message |
18. A vigorous array of Democratic voices could only help -- Obama included. People need to |
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nashville_brook (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-04-11 11:05 AM Response to Reply #18 |
31. there's so much in here...the "dung-colored rainbow" has been co-opted by our own party. |
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DirkGently (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-04-11 11:15 AM Response to Reply #31 |
46. Yes. Obama's style has defined the entire Democratic side of the conversation. Fair to ask, |
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nashville_brook (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-04-11 11:25 AM Response to Reply #46 |
52. and more truth would be nice too :) |
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DirkGently (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-04-11 11:51 AM Response to Reply #52 |
66. What do we stand for, at this point? SS? Nope. The environment? Not so much. Peace? It is to laugh. |
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nashville_brook (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-04-11 12:00 PM Response to Reply #66 |
73. add to that, this is a president who can't even schedule a speech w/o caving to the GOP |
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tritsofme (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-04-11 10:53 AM Response to Original message |
22. There are no credible challengers. nt |
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DirkGently (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-04-11 11:30 AM Response to Reply #22 |
55. Only because there are no challengers at all (nt). As yet. (nt). |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-04-11 11:04 AM Response to Original message |
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WillyT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-04-11 11:08 AM Response to Original message |
36. + 1,000,000,000 - HUGE K & R !!! |
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LWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-04-11 11:08 AM Response to Original message |
38. I agree. Obama has ruined the Democratic Party. nt |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-04-11 11:47 AM Response to Reply #38 |
62. It was already ruined, he was just the third plumber in the Penthouse letter. n/t |
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LWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-04-11 11:48 AM Response to Reply #62 |
63. You're right. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-04-11 12:11 PM Response to Reply #63 |
81. Sometimes I think our party has never recovered from 1968. n/t |
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DirkGently (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-04-11 11:51 AM Response to Reply #62 |
67. Youch! |
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nashville_brook (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-04-11 11:51 AM Response to Reply #62 |
68. "i never thought I would find myself writing this...but the other day when I had a leaky economy..." |
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DirkGently (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-04-11 05:24 PM Response to Reply #68 |
187. ... |
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MessiahRp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-04-11 02:07 PM Response to Reply #62 |
135. LMAO! |
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fascisthunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-05-11 09:41 AM Response to Reply #38 |
351. I don't think he ruined it... I think it was infiltrated |
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LWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-05-11 10:12 AM Response to Reply #351 |
361. Yes. And he's one of them. |
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fascisthunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-05-11 02:12 PM Response to Reply #361 |
381. sorry, I should have stated I thought he was part of the Friedman agenda |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-04-11 11:27 AM Response to Original message |
53. What |
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bvar22 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-04-11 11:33 AM Response to Original message |
56. Harry Truman has "The Solution", but it is probably too late. |
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QC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-04-11 11:35 AM Response to Reply #56 |
58. +1 |
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nashville_brook (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-04-11 11:43 AM Response to Reply #56 |
59. that's so true. |
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DirkGently (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-04-11 11:46 AM Response to Reply #56 |
61. Excellent. |
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rhett o rick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-04-11 12:03 PM Response to Reply #56 |
76. Thanks for the post. nm |
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MissDeeds (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-04-11 12:20 PM Response to Reply #56 |
88. +10000 |
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grahamhgreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-05-11 10:16 AM Response to Reply #56 |
363. +1 |
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JoePhilly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-04-11 12:04 PM Response to Original message |
77. Obama Bad Obama Bad Obama Bad |
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nashville_brook (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-04-11 12:09 PM Original message |
it's nothing new that party leaders worry that right-wing appeasement would ruin the brand. |
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Proud Liberal Dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-04-11 02:17 PM Response to Reply #77 |
139. Yeah |
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JoePhilly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-04-11 02:40 PM Response to Reply #139 |
145. Agree completely .... |
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Proud Liberal Dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-04-11 03:30 PM Response to Reply #145 |
152. I've thought something quite similar in regards to Obama and the left |
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dionysus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-04-11 04:38 PM Response to Reply #152 |
171. it's funny. the same folks who sneered that obama supporters thought him a messaih, are not bitching |
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inna (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-04-11 07:51 PM Response to Reply #171 |
241. your comment does not make even a bit of sense, just fyi. |
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Proud Liberal Dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-04-11 08:43 PM Response to Reply #241 |
254. Good |
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JoePhilly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-04-11 08:08 PM Response to Reply #152 |
248. Exactly ... |
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Proud Liberal Dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-05-11 08:32 AM Response to Reply #248 |
323. Not to mention the fact |
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nashville_brook (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-04-11 04:21 PM Response to Reply #139 |
158. he spells out his thoughts on this in his piece. reading it might improve your critique. |
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Proud Liberal Dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-04-11 08:40 PM Response to Reply #158 |
253. I did read it |
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jwirr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-04-11 12:08 PM Response to Original message |
78. One sure thing that has to be done is to have every state/caucus |
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certainot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-04-11 12:09 PM Response to Original message |
80. another load of crap. obama is only as strong as his pitiful support. the left did not get |
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nashville_brook (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-04-11 12:12 PM Response to Reply #80 |
82. Obama might turn out to be what puts Perry in office. Sad, but without a strong Democratic brand, |
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certainot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-04-11 12:15 PM Response to Reply #82 |
84. GOP has the branding iron and the lazy internet left bends over for limbaugh at every opportunity, |
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nashville_brook (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-04-11 12:23 PM Response to Reply #84 |
90. that's entirely untrue. we are in control of our brand -- it's our responsibility to protect it. |
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certainot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-04-11 12:27 PM Response to Reply #90 |
92. by ignoring talk radio for 20 yrs the left handed over their brand - doesn't matter muchwhat O says |
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Lorien (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-05-11 07:46 AM Response to Reply #92 |
315. Bullshit. He has the bully pulpit and he uses it when he wants to |
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certainot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-06-11 12:42 AM Response to Reply #315 |
384. bullshit. the left allows the RW think tanks to have the bully pulpit. 1000 coordinated radio statio |
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certainot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-04-11 12:29 PM Response to Reply #90 |
94. PS the left is blaming obama for it's own inability to protect its brand from carnival barkers with |
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nashville_brook (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-04-11 12:38 PM Response to Reply #94 |
102. yes, i agree he should beware of the "professional right" rather than the "professional left" |
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MessiahRp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-04-11 02:12 PM Response to Reply #84 |
138. It would be Obama that bends over for Limbaugh/Paul Ryan/Fox News, et al every time. |
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DirkGently (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-04-11 12:13 PM Response to Reply #80 |
83. Interesting premise. If the left is the enemy, who are the good guys, again? |
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certainot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-04-11 12:19 PM Response to Reply #83 |
87. you mean if i criticize the left for walking by the guy on every corner yelling your mother is a who |
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DirkGently (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-04-11 12:29 PM Response to Reply #87 |
93. The left stands on the corner, screaming that your mother is a whore? Really? |
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certainot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-04-11 12:31 PM Response to Reply #93 |
97. re read my comment, that's not what i said, and you are sounding like a republican |
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nashville_brook (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-04-11 12:35 PM Response to Reply #97 |
100. can you maybe re-phrase so that it is better understood who is the "whore" and who is yelling? |
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certainot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-04-11 12:47 PM Response to Reply #100 |
106. if someone puts up a soapbox on the corner and calls you a thief and murderer all day long and |
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nashville_brook (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-04-11 12:51 PM Response to Reply #106 |
108. i agree RW radio is a problem that has been allowed to fester, but, that shines no light on Obama's |
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certainot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-04-11 12:59 PM Response to Reply #108 |
115. i see it as politics, with dems at a major disadvantage because of ignoring RW radio |
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DirkGently (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-04-11 12:41 PM Response to Reply #97 |
103. Please explain how what you said about the left calling your mother a whore isn't what you said. |
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certainot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-04-11 12:51 PM Response to Reply #103 |
109. you're right, it's a bit confusing who's doing the yelling but you put in quotes and your |
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Lorien (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-05-11 07:48 AM Response to Reply #109 |
316. So you support the Fairness Doctrine then? |
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certainot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-06-11 12:30 AM Response to Reply #316 |
383. when uttered by prominent dems no two words get more serious RW actio than 'fairness doctrine'. U2? |
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Lorien (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-05-11 07:40 AM Response to Reply #80 |
314. Um, he's supposed to LEAD, not wait for his cheerleaders to scream extra loud |
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certainot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-06-11 12:54 AM Response to Reply #314 |
385. was this your first vote? did you notice how the right has destroyed all democrats the last 20 |
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notGaryOldman (90 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-04-11 01:07 PM Response to Original message |
117. Matt Stoller is a "liberal activist"? |
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nashville_brook (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-04-11 01:18 PM Response to Reply #117 |
120. yes, i too have seen this tweet -- Stoller, was, in fact Sr Policy Advisor for Alan Grayson |
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DirkGently (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-04-11 01:24 PM Response to Reply #120 |
121. Blah blah highly qualified policy expert blah. Expert schmexpert. How dare he? |
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nashville_brook (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-04-11 01:28 PM Response to Reply #121 |
124. :) |
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DirkGently (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-04-11 01:31 PM Response to Reply #124 |
126. Just another fringe lefty from the fringes of ... actual expert knowledge. Screw those guys. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-04-11 01:33 PM Response to Reply #117 |
128. Deleted message |
Larkspur (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-05-11 02:26 AM Response to Reply #117 |
297. Spoken like a true Obama-bot |
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rhett o rick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-04-11 01:28 PM Response to Original message |
125. Obama is being given too much credit for the downfall of the Democratic Party. |
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DirkGently (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-04-11 01:35 PM Response to Reply #125 |
129. I think that's true. Clinton's Third Way template even appeared to work when the grass was green. |
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rhett o rick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-04-11 01:38 PM Response to Reply #129 |
130. The corporatists think they see total victory in the near future. Fascism. nm |
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DirkGently (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-04-11 04:23 PM Response to Reply #130 |
161. They sure are pushing hard. Unions, entitlements, privatizing schools. Who's going to push BACK? |
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bvar22 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-04-11 04:02 PM Response to Reply #125 |
156. The Tea Leaves read that way here too. |
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swilton (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-04-11 10:01 PM Response to Reply #156 |
273. Neighbors to the south |
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rhett o rick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-05-11 12:46 PM Response to Reply #156 |
379. So what do you see happening in the near future? nm |
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Robeson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-04-11 01:47 PM Response to Original message |
131. This paragraph is what crash and burning looks like, folks... |
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demwing (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-04-11 02:25 PM Response to Reply #131 |
140. But..but..but... |
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MissDeeds (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-04-11 03:26 PM Response to Reply #140 |
151. +1 |
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nashville_brook (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-04-11 03:58 PM Response to Reply #140 |
155. good point about the numbers |
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DirkGently (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-04-11 04:28 PM Response to Reply #155 |
164. Who's going to tell him not to listen to Wallstreet? Geithner? |
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DirkGently (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-04-11 04:23 PM Response to Reply #140 |
160. Very well said. |
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swilton (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-04-11 10:02 PM Response to Reply #140 |
274. Precisely |
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Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-05-11 01:01 AM Response to Reply #140 |
290. Okay |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-04-11 03:03 PM Response to Reply #131 |
149. And this is what |
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ihavenobias (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-04-11 02:10 PM Response to Original message |
137. Kick n/t |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-04-11 02:34 PM Response to Original message |
144. He did not continue unpopular wars. He ended one and is |
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Fuddnik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-04-11 02:50 PM Response to Reply #144 |
147. The only war he ended was the War on Poverty. |
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bvar22 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-04-11 03:46 PM Response to Reply #147 |
154. And some people here insist Obama doesn't have a Magic Wand. |
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nashville_brook (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-04-11 04:30 PM Response to Reply #147 |
166. ouch...that nails it. |
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gkhouston (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-04-11 07:29 PM Response to Reply #147 |
228. I saw a few minutes of "Primary Colors" on TV yesterday. |
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DirkGently (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-04-11 04:20 PM Response to Reply #144 |
157. Right. Grayon's policy advisor has "no goal but to aid & assist Republicans." Pull the other one, eh |
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swilton (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-04-11 10:06 PM Response to Reply #157 |
275. I'm glad to know that Grayson/ |
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DirkGently (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-04-11 04:43 PM Response to Reply #144 |
173. "Investigation Finds U.S. Drones Strike Pakistan Every Four Days, Killing 775 Civilians Since 2004" |
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nashville_brook (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-04-11 04:48 PM Response to Reply #144 |
176. "Obama continues Bush policy on state secrets" - ABC News |
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FrenchieCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-04-11 06:05 PM Response to Reply #176 |
198. Articles from February and May of 2009???????????? |
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nashville_brook (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-04-11 07:02 PM Response to Reply #198 |
214. once the decision was made to continue policies, there's not much sense in writing more articles.. |
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nashville_brook (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-04-11 04:50 PM Response to Reply #144 |
178. Obama Administration Maintains Bush Position on ‘Extraordinary Rendition’ - ABC News |
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FrenchieCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-04-11 06:07 PM Response to Reply #178 |
200. Article dated February 9, 2009.....2 weeks after inauguration???? |
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nashville_brook (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-04-11 07:26 PM Response to Reply #200 |
227. unfortunatley, that's how soon the betrayal occurred. would love it if it weren't true. |
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nashville_brook (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-04-11 04:51 PM Response to Reply #144 |
179. Obama continues Bush policy on detainees: Indefinite detention, no legal rights - Raw Story |
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FrenchieCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-04-11 06:08 PM Response to Reply #179 |
202. Article dated February 1, 2009 (same article as above one)?????? that's what 11 days |
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nashville_brook (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-04-11 04:54 PM Response to Reply #144 |
180. Obama Continues Bush Policy of Deadly Air Strikes in Pakistan - DemocracyNow |
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FrenchieCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-04-11 06:08 PM Response to Reply #180 |
203. Interview from January 30, 2009......????????????? |
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Number23 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-04-11 07:13 PM Response to Reply #203 |
222. I'm dying here. Absolutely DYING |
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DirkGently (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-04-11 07:41 PM Response to Reply #222 |
234. Matt Stoller was Alan Grayson's Senior Policy Advisor. Possibly he knows of what he speaks. |
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Number23 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-04-11 07:46 PM Response to Reply #234 |
237. LOL If he knew of what he "speaks" then why couldn't he keep his own job? |
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DirkGently (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-04-11 08:48 PM Response to Reply #237 |
257. Now you're slashing at Grayson, too? How many Democrats on your Enemies List? "LOL" indeed. |
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Number23 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-04-11 10:53 PM Response to Reply #257 |
281. Probably a hell of alot less than on yours. |
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Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-05-11 01:04 AM Response to Reply #237 |
291. +1 |
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nashville_brook (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-04-11 07:48 PM Response to Reply #222 |
239. please do post links to where any of these early betrayals were reversed. we'd all love to see them. |
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nashville_brook (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-04-11 04:55 PM Response to Reply #144 |
181. Obama Continues Bush Policies in Latin America |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-04-11 06:10 PM Response to Reply #181 |
204. Deleted message |
nashville_brook (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-04-11 07:09 PM Response to Reply #204 |
221. what do you mean by "(I'm paid)" -- are you suggesting that a fellow DU'er is a paid troll? |
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nashville_brook (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-04-11 04:59 PM Response to Reply #144 |
182. Obama continues all Bush tax cuts - NYTs & AmericaBlog |
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nashville_brook (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-04-11 05:04 PM Response to Reply #144 |
183. Obama continues Bush policy on warrantless wiretapping, executive power - WSJ |
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FrenchieCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-04-11 06:11 PM Response to Reply #183 |
205. March and April 2009????????? |
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nashville_brook (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-04-11 07:56 PM Original message |
FBI to announce new Net-wiretapping push - expands wireless wiretapping to internet - |
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nashville_brook (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-04-11 05:06 PM Response to Reply #144 |
184. Obama's Foreign Policy Is Very Much A Continuation Of The Bush Policies - CBS News |
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FrenchieCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-04-11 06:11 PM Response to Reply #184 |
206. April 2009????????????? |
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Fuddnik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-04-11 06:58 PM Response to Reply #206 |
213. It's 2011. What's changed? |
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Toucano (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-04-11 07:37 PM Response to Reply #213 |
231. Don't bother. Frenchie thinks that's a "sell by" date. |
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nashville_brook (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-04-11 08:51 PM Response to Reply #231 |
259. all these continuations occurred BEFORE the evil GOP foiled all his plans for progressive utopia. |
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FrenchieCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-04-11 07:40 PM Response to Reply #213 |
233. well.... |
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nashville_brook (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-04-11 05:09 PM Response to Reply #144 |
185. Obama’s OMB Continues Bush-Era Interference With Public Health Standards - ThinkProgress |
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Union Scribe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-04-11 05:47 PM Response to Reply #144 |
193. Go tell that to the families still burying their sons, daughters, fathers, mothers |
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spooked911 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-05-11 10:07 AM Response to Reply #144 |
359. you're wrong |
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dionysus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-04-11 04:30 PM Response to Original message |
167. what a load of bullshit. |
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nashville_brook (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-04-11 04:33 PM Response to Reply #167 |
168. what part? |
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hfojvt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-04-11 05:23 PM Response to Original message |
186. the blogosphere has hardly remained silent. At least not here. |
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Vidar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-04-11 05:26 PM Response to Original message |
188. K&R. |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-04-11 05:38 PM Response to Original message |
189. Did anyone actually read the full article? It is absolutely hillarious. |
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DirkGently (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-04-11 05:49 PM Response to Reply #189 |
194. What's hilarious is proposing Alan Grayson's policy advisor wants Dems to lose. |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-04-11 05:56 PM Response to Reply #194 |
195. Not really. In 1990, people would have called it hilarious that Nader wanted Dems to lose. |
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DirkGently (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-04-11 06:23 PM Response to Reply #195 |
207. Grayson's a Democrat, not 3rd party. Under the bus with him too? Anyone NOT the enemy? |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-04-11 06:35 PM Response to Reply #207 |
208. Did Grayson imply that he wouldn't vote for Obama, or that we should follow a historical parallel |
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DirkGently (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-04-11 06:45 PM Response to Reply #208 |
210. The question is how you accuse someone on Grayson's team of working for Republican victory? |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-04-11 07:38 PM Response to Reply #210 |
232. Looking for an alternative in a primary is one thing. I wouldn't support a primary challenger in a |
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nashville_brook (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-04-11 07:29 PM Response to Reply #208 |
229. so, if your purity test for Stoller doesn't pan out, you're going to divert attention to Grayson? |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-04-11 07:33 PM Response to Reply #229 |
230. Huh? My point is that Grayson is not like Stoller. n/t |
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ooglymoogly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-04-11 08:48 PM Response to Reply #195 |
258. What is extremely suspect here is your extremely simple |
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nashville_brook (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-04-11 05:57 PM Response to Reply #189 |
196. only Obama has the power to wreck the Dem Party for the next 4 cycles, and he's doing a bangup job |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-04-11 05:59 PM Response to Reply #196 |
197. Except that vast supermajorities of liberal Democrats disagree with you. OF COURSE there will be |
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nashville_brook (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-04-11 07:22 PM Response to Reply #197 |
226. that vast supermajority of yours has been shrinking from the high 80s to the low 70s |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-04-11 07:43 PM Response to Reply #226 |
235. Oh, most of them will vote for Obama. In fact, most of those claiming they won't vote for Obama will |
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tcaudilllg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-04-11 07:54 PM Response to Reply #197 |
242. Not true. |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-04-11 07:55 PM Response to Reply #242 |
244. ROFL |
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nashville_brook (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-04-11 09:39 PM Response to Reply #242 |
269. the relevancy of the article can be measured in the degreee of freakout by ideological supporters |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-05-11 03:27 AM Response to Reply #269 |
298. It's kind of hard to freak out about something so hillarious. |
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CakeGrrl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-04-11 06:08 PM Response to Original message |
201. Easy-peasy! Just reverse 70+% national Dem/Liberal support and you're home free! |
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nashville_brook (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-04-11 07:07 PM Response to Reply #201 |
218. Obama's general approval ratings have hovered in the high 30s and low 40s recently. |
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SkyDaddy7 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-04-11 06:47 PM Response to Original message |
211. These post are such BS... |
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Fuddnik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-04-11 07:04 PM Response to Reply #211 |
215. Unemployment is still high because Obama and Congress don't do aything about it. |
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SkyDaddy7 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-06-11 10:20 AM Response to Reply #215 |
391. That is the PURE BS I am talking about... |
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Plucketeer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-04-11 07:08 PM Response to Reply #211 |
220. Fine |
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nashville_brook (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-04-11 07:15 PM Response to Reply #220 |
224. i love your illustration of the line, where you can look to the right and see only GOPers... |
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MissDeeds (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-04-11 07:46 PM Response to Reply #224 |
236. Word! |
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paulkienitz (313 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-04-11 07:05 PM Response to Original message |
216. I can't think of another president with a wider gap... |
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nashville_brook (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-04-11 07:07 PM Response to Reply #216 |
219. Commander Smirksalot was nothing if not loyal to his base. |
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MJJP21 (262 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-04-11 07:50 PM Response to Original message |
240. I believe |
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Mosaic (851 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-04-11 07:55 PM Response to Original message |
243. This article is 6 months too late |
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DirkGently (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-04-11 08:52 PM Response to Reply #243 |
260. Critical discussion is always worthwhile. No politician changes based on unqualified praise. |
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Lorien (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-05-11 07:51 AM Response to Reply #243 |
317. Not at all. We're more than a year out |
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1StrongBlackMan (171 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-04-11 07:56 PM Response to Original message |
245. Before I read the article, I must ask ... |
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nashville_brook (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-04-11 08:45 PM Response to Reply #245 |
255. that's why the "brand" of the Democratic Party is so important. it takes a lot longer to get |
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DirkGently (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-04-11 08:54 PM Response to Reply #255 |
262. Congressional reps are already distancing themselves. They need liberal Dems, even if Obama doesn't. |
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QC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-05-11 10:36 AM Response to Reply #262 |
365. Distancing themselves? I guess they've never seen him with his shirt off! |
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yardwork (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-05-11 08:44 AM Response to Reply #245 |
326. We did that. He's destroying the environment all by himself. No compromises needed. |
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earcandle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-04-11 08:14 PM Response to Original message |
249. Happy Americans song for you! |
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earcandle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-04-11 08:19 PM Response to Reply #249 |
250. Long Dark Night to Face.... unless we get someone to compete. |
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blkmusclmachine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-04-11 09:46 PM Response to Original message |
271. I don't see much concern about any of this from the Party apparatus: |
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Lorien (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-05-11 07:20 AM Response to Reply #271 |
311. Good question. Have the conservatives and neo-liberals purged the party |
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DeSwiss (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-04-11 11:23 PM Response to Original message |
283. If the Democrats want to have even a chance at saving their party..... |
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Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-05-11 12:28 AM Response to Original message |
286. Piece of crap story |
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EmeraldCityGrl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-05-11 01:11 AM Response to Original message |
292. Obama is a corporate shill. |
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HowHasItComeToThis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-05-11 01:35 AM Response to Reply #292 |
294. SOMETIMES I WONDER |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-05-11 07:17 AM Response to Reply #292 |
310. Deleted message |
Le Taz Hot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-05-11 07:12 AM Response to Original message |
306. k & r |
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creon (723 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-05-11 08:00 AM Response to Original message |
318. Highly unlikely |
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tomp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-05-11 08:03 AM Response to Original message |
319. there are many problems with a primary. |
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mother earth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-05-11 08:13 AM Response to Original message |
322. The automatic nomination should never be a given. Esp. |
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CrispyQ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-05-11 09:24 AM Response to Original message |
338. "This is an institutional crisis for Democrats." |
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nashville_brook (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-05-11 09:54 AM Response to Reply #338 |
355. +1 |
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DirkGently (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-05-11 10:01 AM Response to Reply #338 |
356. Wow. That's chillingly on point. ++ |
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ChiciB1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-06-11 08:53 AM Response to Reply #338 |
388. RIGHT ON Mr. Fish! You Nailed It! Obama Falls FLAT & His Words |
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kenny blankenship (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-06-11 09:29 AM Response to Reply #338 |
389. I see Groucho glasses |
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fascisthunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-05-11 09:24 AM Response to Original message |
339. the Democratic Party has been taken over by Friedman Ideologues |
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Zorra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-05-11 09:52 AM Response to Reply #339 |
354. Bingo. + infinity; ( nt) |
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fascisthunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-05-11 02:10 PM Response to Reply #354 |
380. thanks |
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Zorra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-05-11 09:39 AM Response to Original message |
349. "Obama has ruined the Democratic Party." nt |
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spooked911 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-05-11 10:09 AM Response to Reply #349 |
360. I doubt it. I thought Bush ruined the Republican party. But they seem to have come back with a |
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QC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-05-11 10:17 AM Response to Reply #360 |
364. The Republicans have had a lot of help with their grand comeback. |
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Claudia Jones (464 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-05-11 12:12 PM Response to Original message |
376. a general comment |
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bvar22 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-05-11 12:37 PM Response to Reply #376 |
378. When some people on a Liberal Democratic Website... |
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nashville_brook (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-05-11 08:53 PM Response to Reply #378 |
382. and you see it so often now. |
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Tierra_y_Libertad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-05-11 12:23 PM Response to Original message |
377. The two major parties have become money making businesses selling their product. |
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CrispyQ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-06-11 08:12 AM Response to Reply #377 |
386. That is a perfect assessment of the two parties. |
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Blue_Tires (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-06-11 10:15 AM Response to Original message |
390. "Obama has ruined the Democratic Party." GMAFB |
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