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Better Believe It Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-11 03:59 PM
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"the Obama Administration is allowing ozone standards that are worse than George Bush's"
Capitulation on Ozone Much Worse When You Learn the Context
By: David Dayen
September 2, 2011


So consider what we have here. A bunch of enviro groups were ready to sue over ozone standards. The Obama Administration came in and said “don’t worry, we agree with you, we have the authority, we’ll impose the higher standards you want.” Then they waited for two years, and finally, they punted. It’s a total sellout and a de-fanging of the enviro groups who wanted to go to court to get the rules changed.

As a result, the 2008 rules promulgated by the Bush Administration won’t be implemented either; the EPA already directed states not to comply with them. So most states are operating under the objectively worse 1997 standards. And that is expected to continue. So the Obama Administration is allowing, for his entire first term, ozone standards that are worse than George Bush’s.

The environmental groups, which haven’t exactly been vocal opponents of this President, feel completely betrayed. And this is the second betrayal in a week. Remember, climate activists are getting arrested in front of the White House on a daily basis over the Keystone XL tar sands pipeline, and the State Department just released a whitewash environmental review of the project.

UPDATE: The American Lung Association will reopen their lawsuit against the government over the ozone standards. Of course, this comes two years too late for those suffering and dying from heightened smog levels.

Read the full article at:

http://news.firedoglake.com/2011/09/02/capitulation-on-ozone-much-worse-when-you-learn-the-context/


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Obama to Breathers: Sorry, Wait Until 2013
By Kate Sheppard
September 2, 2011


The American Lung Association filed suit against the EPA following the weak Bush standards but dropped it after the Obama administration said it was going to reconsider. The group issued a statement on Friday signaling that it will revive the suit now that the Obama administration has signaled that it is not going to improve the standard, which is a violation of the Clean Air Act, the group says.

My two cents: I don't think it's a coincidence that the announcement came on day when the Labor Department released the worst jobs report in 11 months. The move certainly plays right into the "jobs vs. the environment" frame that the opponents of any and all regulations have constructed. Worse, though, is that it feeds the idea that it's perfectly okay for the administration to ignore the advice of agency scientists.

It's also not clear whom Obama thinks he's going to win over with this. I'm pretty sure this won't send the American Petroleum Institute or the Chamber of Commerce rushing to donate to his reelection bid, or make Republicans start saying nice things about him.

Read the full article at:

http://motherjones.com/blue-marble/2011/09/obama-breathers-sorry-wait-until-2013


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PRESS RELEASE

President Obama’s Failure to Update Ozone Standard Outrageous
Washington, D.C. (September 2, 2011)


President Obama announced today that he would not update the 2008 ozone standard.

“For two years the Administration dragged its feet by delaying its decision, unnecessarily putting lives at risk. Its final decision not to enact a more protective ozone health standard is jeopardizing the health of millions of Americans, which is inexcusable,” said Charles D. Connor, President and CEO of the American Lung Association. “The American Lung Association now intends to revive its participation in litigation with the Administration, which was suspended following numerous assurances that the Administration was going to complete this reconsideration and obey the law. We had gone to court because the Bush Administration failed to follow the law and set a protective health standard.”

“The ozone standard set in 1997 at 84 ppb is currently being implemented. The American Lung Association demands at minimum, the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) and states must move forward to implement the 75 ppb standard as it will provide more protection than the 14-year-old standard,” said Connor.

The EPA’s nearly two-year-long “reconsideration” of the ozone standard determined that the 2008 standard, set at 75 ppb by the Bush Administration, failed to protect public health, failed to follow the scientific community’s recommendations, and was legally indefensible. Furthermore, in reconsidering the 2008 decision, EPA had to limit its review to reconsider the science about ozone as it stood in 2006. Evidence accumulating since 2006 shows that ozone is harmful at levels well below the current.

By choosing to ignore the recommendations of the Clean Air Scientific Advisory Committee (CASAC), the President is failing to follow the nation’s landmark air pollution law, the Clean Air Act, and therefore failing to protect public health, particularly those most at risk including children, older people, and people who suffer from chronic lung diseases. For these people, breathing smog-polluted air can lead to coughing and wheezing, restricted airways, hospitalization and even death. Even healthy young adults and people who exercise or work outdoors can suffer from high levels of ozone pollution.

“A new smog standard would have saved lives and resulted in fewer people getting sick,” said Albert A. Rizzo, MD, National Volunteer Chair of the American Lung Association and pulmonary and critical care physician in Newark, Delaware. “The Administration should have set a standard at 60 ppb as advised by the American Lung Association and other medical societies and health groups. Its failure to do so will severely jeopardize public health,” continued Dr. Rizzo.

An American Lung Association bipartisan poll of likely 2012 voters taken in June 2011 found that an overwhelming majority support the EPA’s efforts to strengthen rules on ozone-causing pollution. The poll found that 75 percent of voters support stricter limits on ozone and that 72 percent oppose efforts by Congress to stop EPA from updating ozone standards. The poll also found that 65 percent of the voters do not agree with the industry’s claim that the stricter smog standard will impact jobs. In fact, 54 percent rightly believe that a new standard will create jobs through innovation.

“The benefits to our economic and physical health of a stricter smog standard are without question,” continued Connor. “While polluters continue to argue against health standards by repeating archaic, long-disproved claims about economic harm, the American people know better. The Obama Administration undoubtedly should not have delayed and failed to implement a new standard to help communities achieve clean air.”

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About the American Lung Association
Now in its second century, the American Lung Association is the leading organization working to save lives by improving lung health and preventing lung disease. With your generous support, the American Lung Association is “Fighting for Air” through research, education and advocacy. For more information about the American Lung Association, a Charity Navigator Four Star Charity and holder of the Better Business Bureau Wise Giving Guide Seal, or to support the work it does, call 1-800-LUNG-USA (1-800-586-4872) or visit www.LungUSA.org.

http://www.lungusa.org/press-room/press-releases/failure-to-update-ozone-standard-outrageous.html


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CaliforniaPeggy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-11 04:02 PM
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1. Goddamn it.
This behavior on Obama's part is so awful. Words cannot fully express my outrage.

People are suffering and dying...and Obama is worried about the cost for business.

:argh:
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-11 05:05 PM
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28. I new he was a corporate suit from the get go.
Had no idea he would be ALL corporate suit ALL the time. :(
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Divernan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 11:17 AM
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45. Are you still insisting you will vote for him?
That's cognitive dissonance.

I believe if Obama steps down, loses the primary or loses the general election, progressive Democrats can and will immediately begin to reclaim and re-establish traditional, progressive Democratic values, and can mount strong opposition to the GOP in the House and Senate, and can rally public opposition to the GOP/Corporatist agenda and endless wars.

I'm writing in a progressive Democrat for President, and working on the campaign of a county level progressive Democrat, and will vote a straight Democratic ticket.
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formernaderite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-11 10:18 AM
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58. I'm still holding out hope
this tactic won't be necessary.
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-11 04:15 PM
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2. 2.0
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myrna minx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-11 04:16 PM
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3. This just takes my breath away.
:cry:
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ChairmanAgnostic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-11 04:45 PM
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20. No worries. You'll be gasping shortly, thanks to our president.
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Tx4obama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-11 04:17 PM
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4. Take the time to find out WHY Obama made the decision he made - see letter on the link below
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-11 04:20 PM
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6. Looks like some obstructionist bullshit to me.
Thanks for posting the link!
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Better Believe It Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-11 04:23 PM
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7. Better yet, read President Obama's justification right here!
Edited on Sat Sep-03-11 04:31 PM by Better Believe It

President Obama's Full Statement:

"Over the last two and half years, my administration, under the leadership of EPA Administrator Lisa Jackson, has taken some of the strongest actions since the enactment of the Clean Air Act four decades ago to protect our environment and the health of our families from air pollution. From reducing mercury and other toxic air pollution from outdated power plants to doubling the fuel efficiency of our cars and trucks, the historic steps we’ve taken will save tens of thousands of lives each year, remove over a billion tons of pollution from our air, and produce hundreds of billions of dollars in benefits for the American people.

At the same time, I have continued to underscore the importance of reducing regulatory burdens and regulatory uncertainty, particularly as our economy continues to recover. With that in mind, and after careful consideration, I have requested that Administrator Jackson withdraw the draft Ozone National Ambient Air Quality Standards at this time. Work is already underway to update a 2006 review of the science that will result in the reconsideration of the ozone standard in 2013. Ultimately, I did not support asking state and local governments to begin implementing a new standard that will soon be reconsidered.

I want to be clear: my commitment and the commitment of my administration to protecting public health and the environment is unwavering. I will continue to stand with the hardworking men and women at the EPA as they strive every day to hold polluters accountable and protect our families from harmful pollution. And my administration will continue to vigorously oppose efforts to weaken EPA’s authority under the Clean Air Act or dismantle the progress we have made."

http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2011/09/02/statement-president-ozone-national-ambient-air-quality-standards

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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-11 04:25 PM
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9. "at the same time" means ignore all the pretty words I just said
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Tx4obama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-11 04:28 PM
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11. Read the LETTER - I am assuming you haven't yet.
The Act states that any changes can NOT bring about regulatory uncertainty.

http://content.govdelivery.com/attachments/USEOPWHPO/2011/09/02/file_attachments/56091/Letter.pdf


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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-11 04:36 PM
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15. Right, just keep on polluting until next year when we have new numbers.
Weak and pathetic.
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Better Believe It Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-11 04:36 PM
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16. OK I now understand the need to end all of these terrible regulatory burdens on big business.
Edited on Sat Sep-03-11 04:40 PM by Better Believe It

Thanks.

You won me over.

Do you know where I can pick up some affordable breathing apparatus in Dallas?



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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-11 04:39 PM
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18. China...goto the WWW and order from one of their companies.
If anyone knows how to deal with deadly, industrial strength pollution it is the Chinese!
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Better Believe It Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-11 04:49 PM
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23. So that means allowing U.S. corporations destroy our environment is OK?
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-11 04:59 PM
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25. Only if you are an evil ratfucker that likes to kill kittens.
No, you asked WHERE to get something to help you protect your lungs and the Chinese are already WAY ahead of us in industrialized pollution, so there ya go! Go to the experts for help, I always say!

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Tx4obama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-11 05:02 PM
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27. No one is 'ending' any of the regulations. And new ones will be added in 2013
according to the schedule put forth in The Act.

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Better Believe It Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-11 05:12 PM
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29. Even if a Republican is elected President? Cool! Thanks for the info.

Nothing to see here folks, move along now.

Everything is just fine and wonderful.

Nothing but sunny skies and clean air to breath.

What a relief "Tx4obama"

Again, thanks for the comforting words and info.

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Bobbie Jo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 11:07 AM
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44. Keep your eye on the prize. nt
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SidDithers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 12:04 PM
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48. Yup...nt
Sid
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Better Believe It Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-11 05:12 PM
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30. Duplicate Deleted
Edited on Sat Sep-03-11 05:14 PM by Better Believe It

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Divernan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 10:48 AM
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43. Quelle surprise! "The List!" has been replaced by "The Letter".
Edited on Sun Sep-04-11 10:50 AM by Divernan
The Letter didn't convince The Union of Concerned Scientists. It didn't convince The American Lung Association. The Letter is a pathetic attempt to mask the political sellout to the likes of the American Petroleum Industry. That means ongoing fat political contributions a la Citizens United. And THAT means trickle down/good news for the White House's paid blogers.

http://climatewest.wordpress.com/2011/09/02/the-great-smog-sell-out/

The Great Smog Sellout. (snips)

I can’t even begin to explain how misguided this is. Even if one believed that playing politics with clean air was ethically sound, isn’t the point of political negotiating to get something in return?

Here, Obama’s giving up one of the most significant public health rules to ever be proposed in this country, yet what are we getting in return? Nothing, except seemingly Obama’s “hope” that by caving into trade associations like the American Petroleum Institute, which is simply against any and all regulations, that they may give him their political support.

That’s the some of most insane wishful thinking I’ve ever heard. And if this is what Obama means by “hope,” then he’s seriously mistaken about the integrity, ideals, and expectations of the American public.

People don’t want politicians selling out our environment for hopes. Yet that’s exactly what Obama did here.
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Historic NY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-11 11:24 PM
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40. If it was so important the Republicans would have passed it years ago......
along with the Democrats right. I guess you have to wait to see what the next guy does if your not happy now.
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kwolf68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-05-11 12:58 AM
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53. Just political bs and mumbo jumbo

Bush with his clear skies bullshit...Obama with this...Obama sucks. Totally unqualified...had a short Senate run, limited record, but was a good campaigner. John Kerry winning in 2004 would have prevented this joke of a President.
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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-11 04:45 PM
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21. That would ruin this excuse for another bashing!
:rofl:
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-11 05:01 PM
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26. You can tell who actually read the letter and who did not.
But keep up your weak excuse, I'm sure one or two people are still buying it!
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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-11 10:06 PM
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39. Read the letter
and come up with excuses for the unreasonableness.

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Logical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-11 11:36 PM
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41. Only in obamas world does "soon" mean 2 years!
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-05-11 06:07 PM
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56. +
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Claudia Jones Donating Member (464 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-11 04:56 PM
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24. begging your pardon
Edited on Sat Sep-03-11 04:56 PM by Claudia Jones
May we disagree with the decision? Of what relevance is the explanation for the decision? May we also disagree with the explanation? There is nothing in the explanation that changes anything.

Regulations causing "uncertainty" and that then leading to corporations not hiring and investing is a right wing theme, as is the idea that regulations that protect public health are an intolerable burden on business. May we disagree with those ideas?
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Lars39 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-11 06:27 PM
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35. Are the companies in question the ones that are sitting on record profits right now?
Like they need any more help in raking in the dough. :shrug:
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enough Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-11 09:20 PM
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38. You keep posting this. We can all read. What is your point. Speak up. (nt)
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-11 04:18 PM
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5. It is an attempt to hide all our ponies in smog and airborne pollutants!
I wanted a pony...but got 7 different medical conditions instead. Meh.
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Broderick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-11 04:24 PM
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8. It could have been worse though right?
It could have been 8 medical conditions. Thank your lucky stars.
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-11 04:27 PM
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10. You got a good point there.
Plus I can EAT the pony...maybe.
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Broderick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-11 04:35 PM
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14. With your peas?
in butter.
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-11 04:37 PM
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17. No butter, cutbacks all around!
And I only got ONE pea! I wanted TWO!
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blkmusclmachine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-11 04:31 PM
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12. Don't Worry, Be Happy !!
:puke:
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-11 04:34 PM
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13. Yes we can clap louder!
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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-11 04:44 PM
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19. Obama does not agree with that
And apparently doesn't have time to post about why.

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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-11 04:46 PM
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22. No, it is in the 'letter'. He is worried about spending money
Edited on Sat Sep-03-11 04:47 PM by Rex
that might be a waste when the new 'numbers' come out next year. Hence, Big Biz can keep on polluting until the new 'numbers' come out and THEN we will see some form of new regulation!

In short - money good, environment bad.
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Tx4obama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-11 05:46 PM
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32. The reasons were publicly released. See link below
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Marr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-05-11 01:27 AM
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54. It's bizarre the way you keep citing that letter as if it counters the critics.
Edited on Mon Sep-05-11 01:28 AM by Marr
It doesn't. It's a vague restatement of the usual corporate stance on the environment.

1. Reject any action by saying we must wait for the results of the current studies (there are always studies in process).
2. Argue that environmental regulations present too many hardships for big business.
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QC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-11 05:14 PM
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31. The American Lung Association never supported PBO. n/t
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-11 05:51 PM
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33. They never caught "the BAM"
:cry:
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QC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-11 06:22 PM
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34. They just want Rick Perry with a magic wand!
:cry:
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Vidar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-11 06:49 PM
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36. Not surprising. Obama hasn't met anyone to whom he won't sell out.
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QC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-11 06:53 PM
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37. I'm sure he must have a core belief somewhere, but damned if we've seen it yet. n/t
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_ed_ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 11:54 AM
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47. His only core belief is enriching his corporate donors
.
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Better Believe It Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 10:18 PM
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50. Here's a core Obama belief: "I've never believed that government's role is to create jobs"
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Divernan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 10:35 AM
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42. When a man whose daughter has asthma sells out on air pollution . . .
you know absolutely everything is on the table and for sale to his big ticket campaign donors/special interest groups.
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 09:08 PM
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49. That frosted the cake didnt it!
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QC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 11:55 PM
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51. You just want a dictator with a magic wand!
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-05-11 12:18 AM
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52. Lololol
:loveya:
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 11:22 AM
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46. I am in shock right now. Obama truly is no better than Bush.
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dameocrat67 Donating Member (442 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-05-11 02:27 AM
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55. i would love to see a coalition of greens and labor together
in a primary challenge.
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mfcorey1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-11 10:13 AM
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57. Do you have any pro obama post? We all disagree from time to time but yours are
always the same.
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-11 05:53 PM
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59. Kick
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-10-11 06:20 AM
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60. Shame
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