So That Ignorance Won't Be The Reason Why "Progressives" Are Throwing The President Under The Bus

[kpete]

FRI SEP 02, 2011 AT 07:36 PM PDT
So That Ignorance Won't Be The Reason Why "Progressives" Are Throwing The President Under The Bus
byThisIsMyTime

WOW!
just go there:
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/09/02/1013044/-So-That-Ignorance-Wont-Be-The-Reason-Why-Progressives-Are-Throwing-The-President-Under-The-Bus?via=siderec

[adhd_what_huh]

1. Maybe you should draft Nader and start a Green Undergound

[RBInMaine]

2. He supports Obama and shows how "Progressive" he has been, which he HAS.

[Moldywart]

6. Ralph Nader does not supprt Obama.

Ralph Nader: Obama’s Laborious Labor Day – OpEd
Nader: Impeach Obama for 'war crimes'

[Frances]

4. The link supports Obama by listing all of Obama's

accomplishments when he had a Dem majority in the House and the Senate

The link is saying that we should support Obama by electing more Dems, especially progressive Dems

[aquart]

10. I'll never disagree with that.

[tblue]

30. Yep. Anything he didn't do, it's our fault.

We should have worked harder and been more selective. We handed him a defective product. Poor guy!!! He would have done so many more great things with tax cuts and the wars and healthcare and Gitmo -- if only we hadn't totally effed it all up. Shame on us!

[Frances]

47. Whether you like Obama or not

you should support progressive candidates for other offices

[Octafish]

5. Did you read the article before you posted?

You might be surprised at what you find.

Me, OTOH, I am ready to throw him under the bus because, thanks to his policies, the illegal, immoral and disastrous wars continue and the rich continue to get richer.

[tblue]

17. Who ever thought or said he would not sign Lily Ledbetter, etc?

Some things should be a given for a (D) president. It's the nitty-gritty ones where you have to push your way through and stick your neck out to fight for the people who are under attack that are worthy of bonus kudos. That's how I look at it anyway.

[HereSince1628]

13. I remember when Greens were part of DU

That part of the mission statement about welcoming non-democrats sympathetic to progressive politics referred to them.

A decade later that coalition has been trashed.

[tblue]

27. As the national party shifts right, I guess DU has to, too

if you have to be loyal to the party to be welcome here. I think that's what's happening.

[adhd_what_huh]

46. No, just don't give Nader and the Greens a reach around.

[XemaSab]

49. I support the Greens

Nader, notsomuch.

[SidDithers]

19. +1...nt

Sid

[RBInMaine]

3. Thanks. Good luck though convincing the Purists. They think Kucinich and Sanders are sellouts for

supporting the healthcare bill. They are simply out of touch with reality. They are our version of the TeaBaggers.

[Frances]

8. I like Sanders very much

but I don't think Sanders could be elected President in my lifetime.

I grew up in Alabama and remember when George Wallace claimed he lost the governor's race to John Patterson because Patterson "out-segged" him. I remember crowds cheering Wallace in the next election when Wallace said, "Segregation Yesterday. Segregaton Today. Segregation Forever." I also heard a huge crowd at a university cheer when Wallace said, "If one of those pointy head liberals lies down in front of my car, I'll run over him."

It was because of Wallace that I voted for Humprhey over Nixon, even though I hated the Vietnam War and the way the Chicago police behaved at the Convention. I think Humphrey would have ended Vietnam just as soon as Nixon did. Certainly Humphrey would not have hired Dick Cheney or Roger Ailes the way Nixon did.

I have a more realistic view of consequences of voting than some people do.

[tblue]

20. Message: "Lower your expectations."

"Eat those crumbs and be grateful."

"What you care about doesn't matter."

"Pay no attention to that man behind the drone attack."

[Armstead]

28. You crack me up sometimes

Your angry rigidity and obsessiveness is....well, amusing sometimes.

[orpupilofnature57]

7. Let them follow Sam Nunn to the Other side.

[asjr]

9. Thanks for that. It is remarkable so much

was accomplished during the first 2 years. Unfortunately that will not stop Obama bashing.

[TwilightGardener]

11. Frenchie Cat posted a similar list yesterday. People who claim to be

progressives who are also anti-Obama really, really hate "the list" because their meme is that he's done nothing.

[Peregrine Took]

16. Its not that he hasn't done "anything" - that plays into the hands of the "fans"

Its that he hasn't done the critically, important things - like ending the wars, ending rendition, protecting the environment, prosecuting war criminals, closing Gitmo and the like.

[TwilightGardener]

18. Very large concepts you've just listed--things that are very big and complex.

Things that cannot be reasonably accomplished, for the most part, in a short period of time and with the many factors involved.

[Armstead]

26. But it is possible to at least TRY instead of perpetuating them

[TwilightGardener]

32. You have the right to believe that he hasn't done enough in almost any regard.

His achievements have and will fall short of his intentions. It's all a matter of whether you trust that he's doing what he thinks is best for most Americans, and whether you believe there's someone out there who has a realistic shot at doing better than what he's done so far.

[Armstead]

35. The key is whether he is doing what I think is best...That's the nature of politics

I Think Michelle Bachmann thinks she is doing what's best for America, as does Mitt, Perry, etc.

That isn't really the point. Michelle is free to believe that it is best for America to be a Theocratic Corporate State. But that's certainly not what I believe, which is why I will never even consider giving her any form of support.

I will support Obama in the election. But I (and many others) would be a lot happier about it if I (we) beleved that what he gelieves is best for Americacwere closer to what I (we) believe.

[TwilightGardener]

37. The problem with that is, I don't always know what's best. I really don't.

I do want to have some level of trust in the President, that he has our best interests at heart even when I don't know or understand all of the forces shaping his decisions. I do size up his personality, look at his past, his family life. I didn't trust Bush or President Cheney--I do not feel they had average Americans' best interests at heart. I trusted, for the most part, Bill Clinton. I do trust Obama.

[Armstead]

42. A good point, but it is also necessary to share a set of core beliefs

I certainly wouldn't want to see someone like me in the WH. That would be a big time disaster.

And I agree that ultinately we elect someone we can trust.

However, most people form their political values andl views based on what they believe is best forcthe country. And therefore it is a natural extension of thatv to want people in office who share those beliefs and will work to advance that agenda.

[HappyMe]

24. Unless the Prez has a magic wand,

none of that list you have are simple things to fix.

[orpupilofnature57]

40. Surviving the concussion of ShrubCo shock dropped on us ,is Heroic

No one in the history of our country ,has been handed such a bag of shit ,Lincoln included.

[TwilightGardener]

43. This I agree with--he's been swimming against powerful currents from day one.

[Fumesucker]

48. It's a hundred and fifty years later..

And we're still fighting the Civil War..

Lincoln's bag of shit was at least as bad as Obama's.

[jpak]

12. Yup & K&R

[Peregrine Took]

14. I thought this Kos poster got it absolutely right in response:

" I don't think the Obama fans get it. (0+ / 0-)

You've got a product, say you're a Ford, and your competition is Chevy. Customers tell you that they're not sure about buying a Ford because they want some features that it doesn't have.
Do you tell your customers, "You're ignorant. If you don't buy this Ford, you'll end up with a Chevy and you know how Chevys suck!"
In order to sell your candidate, you have to give people what they want. What people want is someone who fights for what they believe in and who is on their side.
Sorry but a wonkish list of "accomplishments" doesn't cut it. Obama needs to go out there to fight for a major job program to win the election.
And he can't keep disregarding the desires of the major interest groups (environmentalists, retirees, etc.) and expect to get their votes by scolding them."


by dallasdunlap on Sat Sep 03, 2011 at 09:27:16 AM PDT

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[NorthCarolina]

21. +1 nt

[tblue]

22. Pay no attention to that man behind the drone attack.

Or the one who let torturers and war criminals off the hook proving to the world we now condone war crimes.

Or the one who let drilling resume in the Gulf.

These are monumental affronts to our most basic values. What on that list makes up for any if it?

I swear people must not realize what a bad state we're in.

[RandomKoolzip]

29. That's perfectly said. +1.

[grantcart]

15. Sure but beyond those 111 points what else do you have?

Especially considering the fact that our legislative system is a bicameral system that doesn't follow established democratic rules and where each conservative rural voter holds a 20:1 advantage over each urban liberal voter (The 20 least populated states have 40 Senators but less population than the State of California which, obviously has 2 Senators).

[Armstead]

23. ALright! A new package e for The List to enlighten us stupid progressives! Yippee.

Yes President Obama is light years beyond any of those Republican chuckleheads.

Yes President Obama has done some good things in office.

Yes he is worth supporting in the campaign against the GOP for those reasons alone.

I GET IT! WE GET IT!

Now, can you at least acknowledge that many of us are also frustrated and angry at him for reasons that we believe are legitimate -- and they are NOT rooted in "ignorance" as you so blithely call it?

In fact can you even remotely open yourself to the possibilty that our objections might actually be based on knowledge, and may even be rooted concern about
the Bigger Picture?

[SwampG8r]

54. no never

i used to worry because i read orwell
i was afraid of 1984 and didnt see animal farm come true before my eyes
so many trotters running around demanding support for napoleon or else snoball will return
and snoball will bring back farmer jones
eeeeeeeeeeeeeekkkkkkkkkkkkk!!!

[Rex]

25. That is a lot of STUFF!

[kentuck]

31. I especially like this one:

Estabilished Open Doors to end the 640,000 men, women and children who are homeless in America by 2020.

[kentuck]

33. So, who are you going to believe??

A "list" of achievements or your own lying eyes?

And let us not make the mistake of putting equal weight behind every issue. Some issues are bigger than others and affect people's lives right down to where they live and what they eat and whether or not they survive?

[DirkGently]

34. Wow. Check out the knee-jerk attacks on a *pro-Obama* article. Based on the source, I assume?

... attacks attempting to defend Obama, by the tone. Hilarious.

:rofl:

Kinda shows you the level of thought that goes into some drive-by posts, I guess.

[Armstead]

36. No...The reactions are prompted by the word " ignorance"

Insulting people is not the best way to win them over.

[DirkGently]

44. That doesn't explain Obama defenders attacking a pro-Obama piece. They didn't READ the link.

Edit: (And I don't think you understood my post.)

[LeftyMom]

38. Many of those items tell only half of the story

For example the Justice department is still trying to get a court ruling that DADT is unconstitutional set aside, and DOMA is still being used to expel same-sex married people in immigration cases. That's just from the LGBT stuff, but it's the same story through the whole list.

[readmoreoften]

39. 50% of that list is fluff and cover for worse policies and cuts. 40% of that list isn't

Is not even progressive. Money for Race to the Top? No thanks. Obama's forced pay to insurers? No thanks. A transgender appointee? It's an insult to my transgender partner and I to say that helps us on any way. Especially when he's going to The Family's prayer meet ups and tSlkkng about a "state's rights" approach to LGBT issues. Helping small businesses? Most Republicans want to help small businesses. That has nothing to do with labor.

And don't insult us by pretending Obama has brought reform to wall st.

I'm glad young people can't be thrown off coverage for pre-existing conditions. There are a few nice bones in there floating around in that sewer of lies.

[orpupilofnature57]

41. His Frenemy relationship is selling us down the road as of yet ?

he's trying to compromise with people that are Resolute in his failure, and anytime they do it has one agenda his demise ,with no thought to us at all.

[madfloridian]

45. The list brags about the Race to the Top money....

which does very little to help public schools and threatens them with all their teachers being fired, principal being fired, or turning them into a charter school.

RTTT nothing to brag about policy wise.

[johnaries]

50. Which just proves how little you know about RTTT. You keep on

focusing on "charter schools" as private schools (some are, many are not) and complaining that Teachers are getting all the "blame", but that's simply NOT TRUE.

RTTT recognizes that capable teachers are the most important component. But you constantly approach the issue as a victim rather than an important component. I'm glad you weren't my teacher!

[madfloridian]

52. RTTT is all about test scores. It's about privatization.

It's about turning schools over to private corporations so they can turn our schools into a profit for them.

I am also glad I wasn't your teacher....really I am.

[BrightSideOfLife]

51. Who threw who under the bus, and since day one at that?

Every day not there is some new and wonderful evidence of just how fooled we were. The day before yesterday it was the pipeline. Yesterday it was the clean air regulations. I mean, at least try.
These centrist dems have got to go. They are toxic to the party.

[ProgressIn2008]

53. My job is not to keep the president on the bus, it's to hold him accountable. nt