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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-11 09:52 PM
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Obama to release his own deficit plan right after the jobs speech.
Edited on Fri Sep-02-11 10:13 PM by madfloridian
I am fearing for the elderly and disabled and needy. With all the emphasis being placed on cutting the deficit instead of showing concern for such groups, we are heading for real trouble. This deficit madness goes against those ideals which Democrats should support.

Deficit plan coming after speech

The drama surrounding Obama’s new jobs plan has eclipsed the other major item on the White House’s September agenda: to offer his most specific proposal yet for reshaping Medicare, Medicaid and the tax code.

In the speech Thursday, Obama will challenge the 12-member congressional supercommittee to exceed its $1.5 trillion goal for budget savings — setting a higher target that would allow the additional money to fund tax breaks and other stimulus spending. But the “very specific” deficit recommendations that Obama promised last month won’t come until after the speech, although the exact timing is unclear, White House officials said.

.."The deficit plan will be more specific than the framework the White House released in April. It is likely to include some unpopular measures that, until now, Obama backed only behind closed doors during the July talks with House Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio), according to Democratic officials familiar with proposal.

Before the “grand bargain” fell apart over tax revenues, Obama and Boehner agreed on about $250 billion in proposed cuts to Medicare, including gradually raising the eligibility age to 67 and hiking co-pays and premiums for wealthier beneficiaries. They also agreed to change the inflation calculator for Social Security and other federal programs — which critics call a benefit cut.

“It will include those kinds of things that in a different fiscal environment, the White House wouldn’t be supportive of,” one Democratic official said.


Sounds like these are the things coming from the new Super Committee.

Reuters' Mark Miller earlier wrote an article about the items likely to come from this "Super" Committee. He particularly emphasized the chained CPI which seems to be a goal of Obama.

Social Security, Medicare dodge bullet, but cuts loom

Social Security and Medicare dodged a bullet in the debt ceiling battle, but beneficiaries still have plenty to fear from the next phase of the deficit reduction war.

..."The enormous pressure to identify $2.4 trillion in cuts boosts the odds that Social Security benefit cuts will be proposed. Re-stating what I’ve said so many times: this would be unfair and unwise. Social Security doesn’t contribute to the deficit, and it will be a critical source of support for recession-ravaged seniors in the decades ahead.

The most likely cutting tactic is the chained CPI measure of cost-of-living adjustments (COLA). This is the only way to get near-term savings from Social Security, since it reduces benefits for current retirees. By contrast, a higher retirement age would have to be phased in over many years.

A chained CPI could be implemented as early as 2013. The chief actuary of the Social Security Administration estimates that the chained CPI will rise about 0.3 percentage points less per year than the inflation measure used now, the CPI-W. With compounding, that translates to a monthly benefit cut of 8.4 percent for a retiree at age 92 (calculated from age 62, the first year of eligibility), according to the National Academy of Social Insurance.


A benefit cut of 8.4 percent. That is wrong in so many ways, and it is not necessary.

We who speak out are reprimanded by centrists who see no harm in this. Trust me, talking down to us who are concerned is not working, will not work.

The worst part is the fear that is spreading among seniors now, and not one major Democrat is noticing.

I do not know how a party can alienate these groups and expect them to go excitedly to the polls. I do not understand how party leaders can keep labor unions and teachers' unions at arms length...and expect them to knock on doors and do the activist work. To me as a retired teacher the hardest part to grasp is how they can keep allowing teachers to be treated with disrespect and not speak out in support of them.

I am a loyal Democrat who believes in the tenets which our party is supposed to hold dear. I am not being disloyal to the party when I question their compromises with extremists who are out to destroy them.

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William769 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-11 09:58 PM
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1. Recommended.
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glowing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-11 10:03 PM
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2. And there is NO reason to cut Social Security... We just need to have bold
leadership to increase the tax rate to a citizen's entire earnings, instead of capping at $108,000.00 (I think that's the # or something close to it).

The way to strengthen Medicare is to allow all American's access to it from birth till death. A universal all into one Govt pot healthcare. Tax the wealthy to set up the system to accept all American's as patients. After that, a family's earnings would determine the % that the family pays into Medicare... Then there is no reason for Medicaid or for states to slash their budgets and pay for people who desperately need the coverage.

2 easy fixes to the "problems". Most people are seeing thru their crap and use scare tactics.... There are a few who vote for Republicans and hold signs that say "Govt hands off my social security and medicare. Even low info voters are getting how screwed they are and how some sacrifice nothing, while they lose everything.. even the money that they paid into SS and Medicare their entire life.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-11 12:09 AM
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8. Yes, we need bold right now.
:hi:
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glowing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-11 05:23 AM
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13. ...
:hi: :hi: :hi:
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benfranklin1776 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 09:17 AM
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26. I agree wholly.
There are far far better alternatives then this puerile garbage. One additional way tp achieve savings without cutting benefits would be negotiate prescription drug prices that the plan pays like candidate Obama favored.
President Obama has a different agenda obviously, that of the Hamiltonian Democrats who have a constituency of themselves only. Following their policy ideas of turning the Democratic Party into the Rethuglican Party is rapidly destroying it. We need to oppose this as vociferously as we did Bush's efforts to give Social Security money to the thieves on Wall Street as its another form of thievery, rob from Senior Citizens and give to the very rich by maintaining their tax cuts and the military industrial complex by maintaining an obscene level of military spending.
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PonyJon Donating Member (165 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 10:34 AM
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31. Vote a STRAIGHT DEMOCRATIC TICKET give Obama a real majority to work with.
Had all you "deep thinkers" and independent voters supported a STRAIGHT DEMOCRATIC TICKET in 2010, as you did in 2008, we would not have any of these problems. Job creation would have been the administrations and congress's number one priority. republiCONS obstructionist diversions and manufactured crises (debt ceiling and, OMG, FAA funding) would not have wasted legislative time. A DEMOCRATIC MAJORITY in congress would be putting forward bills for job creation for the presidents signature not filibustering everything on the Senate floor. Everything republiCONS do is for purely selfish reasons and political gain, they are un-american effete elitists at their very core. Get real, GET DEMOCRATIC.
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chervilant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 11:15 AM
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36. Gosh...
I thought I put you on my ignore list the first time I read your condescending and mendacious drivel.
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lark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-11 01:16 PM
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57. It is Obama who keeps putting SSI on the table
So getting more Dems won't change that. We had Dem majorities and he still wouldn't go for single payer or negotiation on RX prices - why - he's trojan horse man pretending to be a Dem when campaigning, but pushing Repug policies all the way. Even the CIA said Obama has not changed ANY of Bush's "war on terrorism" policies - despite all his words to the contrary.

No hope, no change - that's the guy we got tricked by.
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-11 10:03 PM
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3. A benefit cut of 8.4 percent...from a Democrat
Lovely
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RKP5637 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-11 10:09 PM
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5. We've had a leadership void in this country for quite a few years now IMO, at many levels. n/t
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PonyJon Donating Member (165 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 10:42 AM
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34. exactly the reason to VOTE STRAIGHT DEMOCRATIC BALLOT 2012 nt
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RKP5637 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 02:04 PM
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42. Yep! n/t
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 11:14 PM
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50. It only makes sense to vote straight Democratic if you have a progressive
Democrat on the ticket. Most of us will vote straight Democratic no matter what, but the independents see the Blue Dogs and Republicans as just two versions of the same thing. As a result, they may tend to vote for the personality of the candidate, not the ideas.

If you want Democrats to vote, you have to run Democratic candidates.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-11 11:08 PM
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7. Yep, pretty bad.
:-(
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-11 06:01 PM
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19. .
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 10:39 AM
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RKP5637 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-11 10:07 PM
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4. Generally politicians go after those least able to defend themselves because
they know those with wealth will kick their asses all over the place as we've been witnessing for sometime in this country.

I think most citizens are going to be completely screwed in the coming years in this country. And those suffering most will be the groups you mentioned. And that group will be greatly increased.

Last I checked most citizens do not have hundreds and hundreds of thousands of dollars in their 401k/savings to handle retirement. Many depend heavily on SS and Medicare. Many are lucky to even have a house paid off by retirement. Many are one paycheck away from the streets.

I still think a lot of citizens in this country have their heads stuck in the sand. ... but many will move meekly along like good little sheep obeying TPTB.



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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-11 01:16 AM
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11. These groups are more vulnerable, and they don't have political power.
At least not as long as money is the power.

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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-11 10:17 PM
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 10:40 AM
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leftstreet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-11 12:19 AM
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9. K&R
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Kennah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-11 12:53 AM
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10. Could this just be more "Kick The Can Till 2013?"
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PonyJon Donating Member (165 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 10:45 AM
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35. Vote a STRAIGHT DEMOCRATIC TICKET, you will be happy. nt
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Kennah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 06:27 PM
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43. Very true
The idea of handing the keys back over to the lunatics for 4 years is horrifying. Their war itch has to be in some serious need of scratching.
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-11 05:13 AM
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12. Kick
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-11 03:35 PM
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18. .
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-11 10:13 AM
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14. Why would he push the super committee to exceed the 1.5 trillion in cuts?
"Obama will challenge the 12-member congressional supercommittee to exceed its $1.5 trillion goal for budget savings — setting a higher target that would allow the additional money to fund tax breaks and other stimulus spending."

Why is he going to push for more cuts?

http://dyn.politico.com/printstory.cfm?uuid=44535292-9174-4829-AD81-BB81317B17B5
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durablend Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 09:21 AM
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28. Wasn't 4T his goal?
Or am I mistaken?
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 12:44 PM
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39. Sounds about right.
I am very upset about the use of seniors as political pawns.
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Jim_Shorts Donating Member (355 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 01:06 PM
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40. Yup, J Boner asked for 2.5T and Bama said I'll see you and raise you 1.5T in the grand deal
4 trillion is also the amount S&P said the US had to make in deficit reductions in order to keep our AAA rating. At one point S&P suggested that cuts to SS and medicare also needed to be made. It's clear to me that Borat Owaffle is getting his marching orders from Wall Street and big business.

Borat is giving a jobs speech next week while his austerity commission is putting together their jobs killing plan. We really need to get a shrink to the oval office and have the prez checked for multiple personality disorder.

For those progressives that still think we we haven't been thrown overboard, all you had to do is watch Captain Clueless gut clean air regulations while there is the largest protest by environmentalists of all time, right in front of the White House. Kind of like giving the protesters the finger, wasn't it?
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-11 10:23 AM
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15. Super Committee has first meeting next Thursday.
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2011/09/02/super-committee-sets-first-meeting-date/

"By: CNN's Greg Clary

Washington (CNN) - The co-chairs of the Congressional debt-crisis "super committee" announced their long-awaited first meeting and hearing dates in a statement released Friday.

The Joint Select Committee on Deficit Reduction is holding their first full committee meeting Thursday morning, September 8th, where members will make opening statements and consider committee rules, according to a statement released by co-chairs Rep. Jeb Hensarling, R-Texas, and Sen. Patty Murray, D-Washington.

..."Leaders from the House and Senate formed the committee earlier this month after raising the nation's debt ceiling and tasked them with finding an additional $1.5 trillion in savings over the next decade. The 12-member bipartisan panel must propose cuts by November 23rd and hold votes on the cuts one month later.

If Congress can't agree to those reductions, automatic cuts will take effect in programs like defense and entitlement; something neither party desires."

AND Obama is pushing them to cut even more?? This is giving me chills.
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-11 01:40 PM
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16. Oh boy
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Harmony Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-11 01:44 PM
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17. Oh geez
:argh:

Maybe I should go hide under a rock for the day because the hits keep on coming....
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Fumesucker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-11 06:03 PM
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20. The symbolism in the timing is... err.. Unfortunate..
It's pretty clear what Obama thinks the main event is, you don't put warm-up group first.

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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-11 08:19 PM
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21. It seems both parties are deficit hawks now.
I was surprised he was going to do the deficit thing right after his jobs speech. I am very concerned that he might not be firm on the jobs plan. :shrug:
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Little Star Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-11 08:29 PM
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22. When you said...
"The worst part is the fear that is spreading among seniors now, and not one major Democrat is noticing."

I'm not sure that's true. Our party knows we have no where else to go. I think they notice but just don't give a crap. The majority of them are in it for themselves, period!

This is not the same party I've belonged to all my long voting life. But still, as bad as my party has become the Republicans are a little worse now-a-days. They use to be a lot worse but no more.

As afraid & angry as seniors are they know the score. They know there is no where else to go.

Sad day for the USA!
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-11 10:01 PM
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23. Sadly you might just be right.
I never remember a time when our party acted this way toward the most vulnerable in our country.
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placton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 08:20 AM
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24. Please take the opportunity to read my journals
since Teh Obama was sworn in. I smelled a skunk early on (sorry skunks) and wrote about it, only to get chastised again and again.
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chervilant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 11:20 AM
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37. You weren't alone in that...
Just as the Hillary-Haters virulently attacked me for questioning Obama's qualifications AND his political sensibilities...

(Obama's sycophants will likely appear soon, to trot out their hallowed list...)
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Shagbark Hickory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 09:11 AM
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25. The defecit reduction project should be put on the back burner for now.
Lets get teh stuper committe and the president working on JOBS and ENERGY.
Thankyou verymuch.
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RC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 09:25 AM
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29. What!? And risk economy recovery?
How do you expect most of the people to work for slave wages instead of Living Wages...?
Well?
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Shagbark Hickory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 09:46 AM
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30. Did u mean 2 reply 2 me? I said nothing of wages.
Edited on Sun Sep-04-11 09:46 AM by Shagbark Hickory
Jobs and energy go hand in hand tho.
Clean energy investment = jobs
I think we could also set up something like alaska has. Where instead of paying state income or sales tax, everyone gets paid a dividend each year because the state collects ample revue from the oil and gas cos.

Of course this will never happen with our bought n paid 4 poliwhores.
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n2doc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 09:20 AM
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27. How many of the fucking useless deficit reduction plans to we have to hear about?
What tone deaf idiots Obama and his advisors are. All people care about are Jobs. He could reduce the deficit to ZERO next year and gain ZERO votes because of the accomplishment.

I swear you could pick a random person off the street and they would advise Obama better.
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emilyg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-05-11 12:56 AM
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52. +1
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chervilant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 11:58 AM
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38. k & r, mad
And, thank you for your activism. I always read what you post.

BTW, I think it's unconscionable that this post has so few views...
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deaniac21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 01:29 PM
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41. I'm willing to bet the speech and the plan will, once again, be
nothing but broad generalities.
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soryang Donating Member (642 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 07:53 PM
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44. Any super committee recommendation should be rejected
...by democratic legislators. This is the path for democratic legislators to regain their input on budget measures. Then the only problem is getting rid of the default sequestration bill.

Most of the default cuts are projected onto future budgets. No past Congress can limit the budget authority of a future Congress, it is simply a ruse. The medicare cuts at 2 percent a year are going to be very unpopular. They will reduce bed space for inpatient care.

The cuts to social security disability review cases are also unfair and portend cuts in disability adjudications as a practical matter. The Federal Courts have taken a dim view of this in the past. This is wholly inconsistent with the case law. I think these cuts the way they are drafted portend an increase in the retirement age. That alone would trigger an enormous increase in disability cases, this is a deliberate bottleneck strategy to deny people SSD benefits.

The cuts on defense spending we all can live with.

Why is it that the nuclear option on cloture rules couldn't be tampered with when the Democratic Party controlled Congress but now that Obama wants to cut social spending he's okay with the expedited consideration which waives cloture?
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soryang Donating Member (642 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 08:32 PM
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45. I am dreading this also because it's going to be Ayn Rand stuff
...from the Chicago School ideologues of Wall Street. Anticipate lower tax rates on corporations and the rich and "broaden tax structures" on consumers and ordinary working persons and unemployed, disabled and retired persons.

Also included will be draconian cuts on social safety net programs with diastrous economic consequences. The guy is getting his advice from the conservative ideologues who wreaked the economy. More free trade stuff too which will destroy more US jobs.
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inna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 08:34 PM
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46. Error: you can only recommend threads which were started in the past 24 hours

:kick:, though
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cstanleytech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 10:46 PM
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47. IMO they should link it to any pay raise congress votes to give itself and or to the military.
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lib2DaBone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 11:07 PM
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48. Barrack.. do the right thing.. step down.. let the country move on...
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 11:11 PM
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49. This would be a disaster.
Why?

Because nursing homes are funded by the Social Security and Medicare/Medicaid benefits of the patients. Nursing homes will not be able to stay open if these cuts go into effect.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 11:17 PM
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51. Funding is already being cut to nursing homes to save money.
Which of course will not really save money, just make life more stressful for many older and younger Americans.

It really saddens me to see what direction our party has taken.
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SusanaMontana41 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-06-11 10:52 AM
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54. " 'It will include those kinds of things that in a different fiscal environment, the White House
would not be supportive of,' one Democratic official said. "

Disaster capitalism at work. Shame on you, Mr. Obama.
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bullwinkle428 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-06-11 10:55 AM
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55. So he's still deficit-obsessed. Gives me a pretty good indication
of how "big & bold" this jobs plan is going to be.
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emsimon33 Donating Member (904 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-06-11 12:26 PM
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56. Obama is hell bent on not getting re-elected
During the 2010 election, I handed out leaflets at a polling place in Virginia Beach, VA. I was the only Democrat among 4-7 Republicans and/or Libertarians--depending on the time of day. In my conversations with many of my fellow leaflet distributors--most over 65--, I heard over and over that Obama cut Social Security benefits and was the first president to do so. Their argument was based on the fact that there had been no cost of living increase. I argued that it was not Obama's fault, that he supported the sick, disabled, and elderly.

GUESS I WAS WRONG. Silly me. Obama's willingness to attack Social Security and Medicare will not come back to bite the Republicans--it's expected of them. It will come back to bite Obama and the Democrats. It is time for Democrats in the House and Senate to draw a line in the sand and refuse to support Obama on this issue. They need to be loud and aggressive so that the public's wrath doesn't fall on them but falls where it should: On Obama and his fellow travelers, the Republicans. The end result might be that in the 2012 election we lose the White House (do we really have it anyway) but end up dominating the House and Senate.

The plain fact is that we need a viable presidential candidate in 2012 and it isn't Obama!
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Jefferson23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-11 06:52 PM
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58. If Obama does this it will be indefensible. K&R n/t
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