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blindpig Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-11 08:13 AM
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The Top Ten Myths in the War Against Libya


The Top Ten Myths in the War Against Libya

Since Colonel Gaddafi has lost his military hold in the war against NATO and the insurgents/rebels/new regime, numerous talking heads have taken to celebrating this war as a “success”. They believe this is a “victory of the Libyan people” and that we should all be celebrating. Others proclaim victory for the “responsibility to protect,” for “humanitarian interventionism,” and condemn the “anti-imperialist left”. Some of those who claim to be “revolutionaries,” or believe they support the “Arab revolution,” somehow find it possible to sideline NATO’s role in the war, instead extolling the democratic virtues of the insurgents, glorifying their martyrdom, and magnifying their role until everything else is pushed from view. I wish to dissent from this circle of acclamation, and remind readers of the role of ideologically-motivated fabrications of “truth” that were used to justify, enable, enhance, and motivate the war against Libya—and to emphasize how damaging the practical effects of those myths have been to Libyans, and to all those who favoured peaceful, non-militarist solutions.

These top ten myths are some of the most repeated claims, by the insurgents, and/or by NATO, European leaders, the Obama administration, the mainstream media, and even the so-called “International Criminal Court”—the main actors speaking in the war against Libya. In turn, we look at some of the reasons why these claims are better seen as imperial folklore, as the myths that supported the broadest of all myths—that this war is a “humanitarian intervention,” one designed to “protect civilians”. Again, the importance of these myths lies in their wide reproduction, with little question, and to deadly effect. In addition, they threaten to severely distort the ideals of human rights and their future invocation, as well aiding in the continued militarization of Western culture and society.

1. Genocide.

Just a few days after the street protests began, on February 21 the very quick to defect Libyan deputy Permanent Representative to the UN, Ibrahim Dabbashi, stated: “We are expecting a real genocide in Tripoli. The airplanes are still bringing mercenaries to the airports”. This is excellent: a myth that is composed of myths. With that statement he linked three key myths together—the role of airports (hence the need for that gateway drug of military intervention: the no-fly zone), the role of “mercenaries” (meaning, simply, black people), and the threat of “genocide” (geared toward the language of the UN’s doctrine of the Responsibility to Protect). As ham-fisted and wholly unsubstantiated as the assertion was, he was clever in cobbling together three ugly myths, one of them grounded in racist discourse and practice that endures to the present, with newer atrocities reported against black Libyan and African migrants on a daily basis. He was not alone in making these assertions. Among others like him, Soliman Bouchuiguir, president of the Libyan League for Human Rights, told Reuters on March 14 that if Gaddafi’s forces reached Benghazi, “there will be a real bloodbath, a massacre like we saw in Rwanda”. That’s not the only time we would be deliberately reminded of Rwanda. Here was Lt. Gen Roméo Dallaire, the much worshipped Canadian force commander of the U.N. peacekeeping mission for Rwanda in 1994, currently an appointed senator in the Canadian Parliament and co-director of the Will to Intervene project at Concordia University. Dallaire, in a precipitous sprint to judgment, not only made repeated references to Rwanda when trying to explain Libya, he spoke of Gaddafi as “employing genocidal threats to ‘cleanse Libya house by house’”. This is one instance where selective attention to Gaddafi’s rhetorical excess was taken all too seriously, when on other occasions the powers that be are instead quick to dismiss it: U.S. State Department spokesman, Mark Toner waved away Gaddafi’s alleged threats against Europe by saying that Gaddafi is “someone who’s given to overblown rhetoric”. How very calm, by contrast, and how very convenient—because on February 23, President Obama declared that he had instructed his administration to come up with a “full range of options” to take against Gaddafi.

But “genocide” has a well established international legal definition, as seen repeatedly in the UN’s 1948 Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide, where genocide involves the persecution of a “a national, ethnical, racial or religious group”. Not all violence is “genocidal”. Internecine violence is not genocide. Genocide is neither just “lots of violence” nor violence against undifferentiated civilians. What both Dabbashi, Dallaire, and others failed to do was to identify the persecuted national, ethnic, racial or religious group, and how it differed in those terms from those allegedly committing the genocide. They really ought to know better (and they do), one as a UN ambassador and the other as a much exalted expert and lecturer on genocide. This suggests that myth-making was either deliberate, or founded on prejudice.

more, long & damning:

http://www.counterpunch.org/2011/08/31/the-top-ten-myths-in-the-war-against-libya/
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-11 08:37 AM
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1. Oh, good grief. The Gaddafi PR machine keeps cranking.
If they didn't oust him soon, they would be stuck with a bloody war for power waged by his bloody-minded sons. If you bothered to inform yourself, you'd know why the LIBYANS didn't want that.

It is so blatantly racist to assume this is an outside deal.

Will there be a civil war once Gaddafi is located and dealt with? Why not? Lotta tribes with a lotta unsettled issues. So far, there is a recognized authority and it's getting the bank accounts so the transition may be less bloody than I would consider normal.

Although a lot of nifty weapons did get looted with, I assume, an eye to the future.
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Taitertots Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-11 08:50 AM
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4. The "Gaddafi PR machine" is the most hilarious thing I've heard all week
I'm sure "Maximilian Forte is an associate professor in the Department of Sociology and Anthropology at Concordia University in Montreal, Canada" is on the Gaddafi payroll.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-11 06:31 PM
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10. Just because CIA was there since before the protests started
and were joined by Brit spooks and special forces is no reason to believe the whole thing wasn't "organic". Only racists could believe otherwise. :)
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 02:21 AM
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14. Says someone who believes NATO "fanned" the protests into civil war.
"http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=439&topic_id=1857153&mesg_id=1867116">You mean, NATO had nothing to do with it except for the fanning of protests into a civil war?"

I love the hypocrisy.
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Prometheus Bound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-11 07:25 PM
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11. Are you referring to this paragraph? How can you call reporting this racist??
Among the reports that significantly complicated the picture were those that discussed the CIA ties to the insurgents (for more, see this, this, this, and that); others highlighted the role of the National Endowment for Democracy, the International Republican Institute, the National Democratic Institute, and USAID, which have been active in Libya since 2005; those that detailed the role of various expatriate groups; and, reports of the active role of “radical Islamist” militias embedded within the overall insurgency, with some pointing to Al Qaeda connections.

Links in text
- Mounting evidence of CIA ties to Libyan rebels
- A CIA commander for the Libyan rebels
- Rebel military commander wants to be America's man on the ground in Libya
- Who are the Libyan Freedom Fighters and Their Patrons?
- Shifting loyalties among Libya’s Islamists
- How al-Qaeda got to rule in Tripoli
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 02:23 AM
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15. This is what's so hilarious, Max Forte claims the rebels are tied to the CIA...
...and it comes out that Gaddafi was a CIA lackey, what with his rendition work.

What's interesting about this is that half of those links are already outdated since the events have changed, for example, "the CIA commander for the Libyan rebels" is someone who was, at one point, part of the command, at least by his own claims, but the NTC rejected him. Max Forte, the racist vile propagandist for Gaddafi won't tell you that.

The list goes on and on, and it's shocking that this thread is even still open.
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Prometheus Bound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 02:41 AM
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16. The rebels do have ties to the CIA. Why do you find it so hilarious that he states a fact?
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 03:01 AM
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17. Because the fact has no basis in any critique, the reports he cites are old. The potential CIA guy..
...was rejected months ago. He cites the reports as if they're relevant, they're not.
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Prometheus Bound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 05:12 PM
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20. But the news was full of reports of the CIA working with the rebels.
WHITE HOUSE
CIA Deploys to Libya as White House Authorizes Direct Assistance to Rebels

March 30, 2011 | 6:04 p.m.

The CIA has sent more than a dozen covert operatives to Libya as part of an escalating U.S. effort to vet the rebels working to oust Libyan strongman Muammar el-Qaddafi and lay the groundwork for funneling American aid to the insurgents, according to a person with direct knowledge of the CIA operations there.

The CIA’s deployment to Libya, which is virtually certain to expand in the coming days, comes amid word that President Obama has authorized U.S. intelligence agencies to provide direct assistance to the Libyan rebels. There are no U.S. military personnel on the ground in Libya yet, though the United Kingdom, America’s closest battlefield ally, has several dozen Special Air Service commandoes and M16 agents already operating there. News of the CIA deployments to Libya was first reported by The New York Times and then independently confirmed by National Journal.
http://www.nationaljournal.com/cia-deploys-to-libya-as-white-house-authorizes-direct-assistance-to-rebels-20110330


CIA officers working with Libya rebels
CIA officers are coordinating with antigovernment fighters and sharing intelligence, but the Obama administration is undecided whether to supply weapons. Leading lawmakers from both parties are against the idea.
March 31, 2011|By Ken Dilanian, Los Angeles Times

Reporting from Washington — CIA officers are on the ground in Libya, coordinating with rebels and sharing intelligence, U.S. officials say, but the Obama administration has not yet decided whether to take the further step of providing weapons to those trying to oust Moammar Kadafi.

The issue of whether to provide the ragtag rebel forces with arms has been controversial in Washington. On Wednesday, two key lawmakers — a Republican and a Democrat — came out against the idea.
http://articles.latimes.com/2011/mar/31/world/la-fg-cia-libya-20110331


Obama dispatches CIA to aid Libyan rebels
By: Brian Hughes | Examiner Staff Writer Follow Him @BrianHughes_ | 03/31/11 8:05 PM

The Obama administration discounted speculation Thursday that U.S. forces had taken on a heightened role in the Libyan conflict, even as CIA officials were dispatched to aid rebel forces amid swirling debate about arming the opposition against President Moammar Gadhafi.

Read more at the Washington Examiner: http://washingtonexaminer.com/politics/white-house/2011/03/obama-dispatches-cia-aid-libyan-rebels#ixzz1X1Z5U1UH
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mainegreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-11 08:42 AM
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2. Interesting article.
Good read. My 2 second take:

1) Semantics. And irrelevant. Killing is killing.
2) Valid point
3) This point ignores the historically rivalrous, relationship between Benghazi and Tripoli; the fact that Benghazi was the center of the rebellion as well as past bloody misdeed perpetrated by Qhaddahfi(pick your spelling) against Benghazi.
4) Sadly true. Qhaddahfi does have domestic support, and some regions are majority pro-Qhaddahfi. Since he did hire African mercenaries, and since Libya does have a native dark skinned population (which does not necessarily support el-dictator) there is a very real risk of a racial massacre now.
5) This one was funny, but seriously, did anyone actually believe this? Not many.
6) Since the premise is based on argument #1, and argument #1 is debatably invalid, the first part of this point fails. Additionally Libya's relative bloodshed level, or possible future bloodshed level compared to other countries is not an argument against intervention in Libya, but an argument for intervention in other countries. Sadly war is bloody, and nobody wins. We will kill civilians. So will the rebels and so will Qhaddahfi. The unfortunate truth of war and human nature; and a damned valid point. This needs to be brought up again and again. Still, while the detailed actions of war are a always unjust, a war can be just and even necessary.
7) Just because Qhaddahfi did good things does not mean he was a just man. Given all that he was, all that he did, I'd say a better analysis was that he was very Machiavellian. It's easy to buy good will abroad when you are stealing a nations oil wealth.
8) Very, very true. Well said, and 100% valid.
9) Valid-ish. While at best saying that the victory is a victory for the Libyan people is at best an oversimplification, what is it at worst? At worst it's an oversimplification. In the end this was their victory, not ours. They did 99.99% of the up close fighting and all of the dying.
10) This point should become an entire article. It's 100% true and a damned shame more people don't read this point.


Thank you for the article. I really enjoyed it, even if I didn't agree with every point. :)
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blindpig Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-11 09:12 AM
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5. Thanks for taking the time to read it.

Not a whole lot of that going on around here.
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court jester Donating Member (232 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-11 08:48 AM
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3.  "In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act."
:thumbsup:



Backing up Globalization with Military Might
http://www.globalissues.org/article/448/backing-up-globalization-with-military-might
"McDonald's Needs McDonnell Douglas to Flourish"
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Starry Messenger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-11 09:19 AM
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6. k&r
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blindpig Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-11 10:52 AM
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7. kick
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Prometheus Bound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-11 06:08 PM
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8. Very informative. Just to summarise the ten myths he demolishes:.
1. Genocide.
2. Gaddafi is “bombing his own people”.
3. Save Benghazi.
4. African Mercenaries.
5. Viagra-fueled Mass Rape.
6. Responsibility to Protect (R2P).
7. Gaddafi—the Demon.
8. Freedom Fighters—the Angels.
9. Victory for the Libyan People.
10. Defeat for “the Left”.

Also here:
http://www.modernghana.com/newsp/348723/1/pagenum3/ten-myths-in-the-war-against-libya.html#continue
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amborin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-11 06:19 PM
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9. K&R
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Prometheus Bound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 02:00 AM
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12. Did I mention how much I love his mockery of Juan Cole's war propaganda in his title?
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 03:12 AM
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18. I've been reading him on Twitter since the first piece he wrote on Libya.
@1D4TW
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Prometheus Bound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 04:41 AM
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19. Thanks. I've never used Twitter, but I'll give it a try.
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 02:04 AM
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13. Max Forte.
The liar.
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inna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 06:28 PM
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21. projection
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leftstreet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 07:44 PM
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23. .
:spray:

:thumbsup:
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inna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 06:30 PM
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22. k&r, i attempted to post this days ago...
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