Is Obama going to go big in his speech? That's all I care about.

[senseandsensibility]

Is he going to go left? Will he propose ANY new regs on banks, tax hikes on corporations and the wealthy, or stimulus?

I could care less about the latest tiff about the speech time. But if his jobs proposal is wishy washy, I don't know how can come back from that.

[rucky]

1. I think I'd rather be pleasantly surprised if he does.

so I have no expectations for Thursday - positive or negative.

[vi5]

2. Do you really need to ask that?

Of course it will be wishy washy. He'll pull his usual "both sides need to get beyond their rigid ideology" horse shit. And most of what he'll end up proposing will be at their most leftward, warmed over Republican policies that they will of course no longer support because they are being proposed by Obama.

He'll (no surprise) not win over any Republicans or even right leaning independents, and he'll do nothing to appeal to liberals at all.

[senseandsensibility]

10. ugggg......

I sincerely hope you're wrong, but I can understand your lack of expectations. It does hurt to be disappointed so many times, and I am afraid that your prediction rings true for me.

[gkhouston]

3. "Big" will be redefined, not demonstrated. n/t

[ecstatic]

4. I think he will. The debt limit debate let us know that

repubs will never be reasonable. It's best just to say our plan and vision and let them say no. At the end, it's the same result anyway.

[senseandsensibility]

19. I wish I could agree. I really do.

But I don't think Obama got that message,as hard as that is to believe.

[ecstatic]

20. We'll see! nt

[YvonneCa]

34. If he listens to Al Gore's advice, he will...

...do just that:

http://www.rawstory.com/rawreplay/2011/08/al-gore-u-s-needs-an-american-spring/

I suggest Part 2... ;)

[vi5]

38. Right, and prior to that...

They were just so reasonable and compromising so he had every reason to believe the debt limit increase would just go so smoothly. I mean nobody could have seen that debt limit debacle coming a mile a way. Totally out of left field.

But yeah, THIS time he knows. THIS time he'll act differently.


:sarcasm:

[dgibby]

5. If past is prologue,

and I was a betting woman, I'd say no, sadly.

[dennis4868]

6. u serious?

u r NOT going to see new regs on banks or tax hikes on corporations. Those proposals would be DEAD on arrival.

[Dragonfli]

24. Yes, he does appear to dislike regs for banks and taxes for corporations, I agree DOA

He will only propose what Boener likes just like you said. Too bad he endorses their policies so easily.

[LaydeeBug]

7. I think he will GO BIG by demanding a final cut to social security and torte reform.

:eyes:

I don't expect him to start acting like a Democrat.

[senseandsensibility]

16. He better not.

I have no expectations at all, but he might as well kiss his job good-bye if he does that.

[Davis_X_Machina]

8. You don't actually want anything passed....

...I take it. Just a tantrum.

[senseandsensibility]

12. I didn't get my pony either.

And I don't understand nine dimensional chess. I also want Palin for President. Just thought I'd save you the trouble.

[Maven]

25. Heh.

:thumbsup:

[demwing]

15. Blah blahblah BLAH

I'm sick of the so called "pragmatists" whining about "You all want ponies & rainbows blah blah fuckity Wah!"

Is there nothing you would fight for, other than another opportunity for Obama to negotiate from the middle and end up on the right?

[Divernan]

31. They'd be really PO'd if they didn't get their annual White House Christmas card

But that would last about 10 seconds until their automatic response of Excuses for Obama kicked in.

[Maven]

23. You're right. We should never even ask for anything that might not pass.

Because we can't afford to try at anything that might fail. Better to succeed at making "deals" that don't help anyone.

[Raine]

35. How "nice" to dismiss real concerns that way

keep on living in your alternate universe until the day reality hits you.

[demwing]

9. My heart says "Yes!" But my head says "Nope!"

I want my President to go big, think big, and act BIG. I don't need a Franklin Roosevelt, but I sure would love a Teddy Roosevelt right now. A trust breaking, safety regulating, conservationist, populist, rough riding, ass kicker!

But based on all experiences to date, President Obama sees his role as President through a different lens.

Head, this is Heart. I know you too haven't met, but...

[senseandsensibility]

18. Yes, EITHER Roosevelt would be extremely

welcome at this time. I really think that most liberals are going to start tuning him out for good if he tries to push more warmed up repug think tank ideas from the nineties. They wouldn't have worked then, and they will ruin our economy now.

[Dragonfli]

27. I agree just like he did with the Heritage Foundation HC ideas, I never thought in the 90's

anyone would buy into that horseshit, but it is LAW now.
He appears to really like The Chamber of Commerce's job Ideas, word for word he has talked about 90% of what they are talking about, including more free trade.


I expect his plan to closely mirror this one: http://www.industryweek.com/articles/u-s-_chamber_of_commerce_unveils_job-creation_plan_25482.aspx?Page=2&SectionID=3

[Bluebear]

11. Yes, big free trade agreements

[senseandsensibility]

13. And big cuts in "entitlements?"

Yeah, he'll go big like that, I guess.

[Autumn]

14. Obama does not do big. I don't even expect him to.

It's his bipartisan hang up.

[RKP5637]

17. I hope he does not use the word compromise once. I don't care if he

used an alternative, but I'm tired of hearing compromise, and really even bipartisan anymore. I hope he has realized by now the republicans are not interested in working with him at all, not at all, except to say NO!

[spanone]

21. well, the media keeps telling me he better....they are making this the 'speech of the century'

expectations hard to live up to

[Maven]

22. He'll go small and "business-friendly"

And his acolytes will portray it as groundbreaking and revolutionary.

[Stinky The Clown]

26. I'm betting he won't

He may give a great speech. He's capable of that. But I don't think he'll lay out any earth shattering plans. I'm expecting warmed over "plans" suggested by others, including lots of repubicans.

[madrchsod]

28. the midwest is still rebuilding and the east coast has`t started..

the mississippi river needs billions in improvements.the southwest and other parts of the country is in a drought. factories are still closing and tens of millions are unemployed. food stamps just got cut and winter is on the way..

winter is just a few months away and only mother nature knows what she has in store for the country.


he`ll go small because he does`t want to piss off those fucking tea bagging republican traitors in congress and the corporations that will fund his billion dollar presidency.


of course i could be wrong and he`d have a FDR moment. just like the one that gave my parents hope that the depression would end.

[The Backlash Cometh]

29. I don't see why he hasn't figured out that the Republicans have been clipping

his wings to avoid another FDR moment. Not because they are against spending on principle, but for a political strategy.

[Exilednight]

30. Nope. He will give us the typical "both sides are to blame" and "both sides have good ideas and

that we need to take a balanced approach of tax cuts for corporations and patience by those seeking work". My guess would be that he will announce a tax holiday on those that wish to repatriate money from overseas by stating that those monies will be invested in jobs.

I think Obama spend too much time reading working papers by the Cato institute.

[Raine]

32. I don't think he has it in him to go big or bold

I given up hope that he ever will.

[taught_me_patience]

33. My expectations are so ridiculously low

that he might actually surprise.

[treestar]

36. Could you be a little vaguer, please?

How is the President's speech writing team to know what to put in there?

[JoePhilly]

39. The "go big" crowd has decided to not use specifics so that they can complain

no matter what happens.

[midnight armadillo]

37. He won't say anything that won't pass thru Congress

You know, since the President doesn't dare to try to push the boundaries of debate or anything. I expect inconsequential things, like minor patent reform.

[LWolf]

40. Words don't mean anything unless actions match. nt

[JustAnotherGen]

41. After watching MSNBC for a few hours last night

He's REALLY going up against FDR. Next Friday that's all we are going to hear - how did he do compared to Roosevelt in 1936.

[RagAss]

42. Yes...he will keep the Bush tax cuts in place and end Medicare !