Who would be better than Obama as Pres.?

[matmar]

No Republican. Correct?

I would vote for Senator Bernie Sanders but he isn't running. Will Dennis Kucinich run against Pres. Obama? Russ Feingold? Ralph Nader?

If no progressive runs or wins we are left with the choice of Pres. Obama or the Republican nutjob du jour.

There is no choice in that scenario, for me.

I have to vote Obama.

The modern Republican Party is just too insane to adopt a couldn't care less attitude and stay home on election day no matter how disappointing Barack Obama is.

[undergroundpanther]

1. Dennis Kucinich

I wish he was running now instead of back then. But if he ran,I wonder if the thuglicans would toss him out of the debates to silence him like they did to Nader.Seems TPTB do not want an corporate unfriendly candidate ,or pro help the poor types to have a voice.

[brooklynite]

6. Certainly wouldn't have to worry about him invading Libya...

Inviting Gadaffi over for a State Dinner perhaps...

[sabrina 1]

12. The Qadaffis were already invited to the State Dept. No need for

Kucinich to do it.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_QKwwR3v3bcA/SjjzsYDoB_I/AAAAAAAAEEQ/Dr9llQlgVTg/s400/qaddafi+son+clinton6-17-2009+6-40-55+AM.png

Secretary of State, Hillary Clinton welcomes Qadaffi's son to the State Dept.

He was here for five weeks, being treated like visiting royalty. Did Kucinich invite him, or was it the Administration?

Best to leave the subject of socializing with dictators alone. Too many of our current and former leaders have had zero problems inviting to dinner. There are thousands of photos of almost all of our leaders posing with Qadaffi and members of his family, from Bush to Obama and everyone in between all over the internet, now embarrassing to all of them I guess.

But I couldn't find one of Kucinich. He did do his job as a US Congressman tasked with the burden of deciding whether the US should be getting involved in another war, and went to Libya to try to find out for himself if the reasons given were factual. I guess he learned after the last administration not to take the word of anyone on something so serious.

[Capitalocracy]

19. Snazzy.

Shiny.

[Aerows]

24. I thought the same thing

What's up with that suit?

[mitchtv]

2. never a republican

that being said, I'm sure there are better dems than Obama, I would like to see Dean in his position, but he is a team player.So I will keep my vote ready for the Dem nominee.

[scheming daemons]

3. There will be only 3 choices next year: A) Obama B) Republican or C) stay home

And C, when done by progressives, is the equivalent of B.

[gateley]

10. Agree. We saw C) = B) in 2010. nt

[Le Taz Hot]

17. No, there is another option

that you know we can't talk about on this board.

[polmaven]

30. Well, sure, because

that option worked so well in 2000.

[Le Taz Hot]

33. Non-starter

and proven wrong far too many times for anyone to waste time on. There is no remedy for those who choose not to acknowledge the facts.

[polmaven]

34. Bull!

n/t

[Le Taz Hot]

36. Nice comeback.

Convinced me!

[HappyMe]

31. Which, at this point,

is the same as staying home.

[Le Taz Hot]

32. Um, no.

One would actually have to show up at the voting booth (or mail in their absentee ballot) to take that unnamed option which precludes your assertion. That voter is also voting for other local, state and federal candidates as well (in California) on ballot initiatives so, no, that does not qualify for "staying home."

[ThomWV]

28. No, there will be more choices: Obama, Republican, Stay Home, Democrat down ticket, independent

[HughBeaumont]

37. A) Moderate Laissez-fail-believing Republican B) Batshit Insane Fascist C) Noble File 13 Write-in.

Thumbs Down on America's menu.

[sam11111]

4. kucinich.... and yes Obama better than any rethug nt

Nt

[timtom]

43. Kucinich

indeed. And Alan Grayson.

[leftstreet]

5. For a centrist Dem charged with pulling the US further right, Obama is fine

Hillary probably couldn't have pulled this off

[jtrockville]

7. Bernie Sanders or Dennis Kucinich

Either would get my vote in a primary.

[matmar]

8. Will they Primary Obama?

I don't think they will unless he's a total disaster come next year...

[Le Taz Hot]

18. The Party Machine will never allow it n/t

Democracy -- it was nice while it lasted.

[jtrockville]

20. I doubt it. I assumed the question was theoretical.

While I don't think Obama will be judged as a total disaster by anyone but Limbaugh and the like, he certainly wasn't my first choice of the Dems in '08, and probably wouldn't be my choice in a theoretical primary.

[ThomWV]

29. Bernie is an Independent, not a Democrat - so he could not run in a Democratic Primary

[gateley]

9. It's not just who would be better (and we wouldn't know

for sure until s/he got into office and had to deal with the reality of the zoo in DC), but who would WIN?

[eridani]

11. No one who we can get in 2012. PLEASE, people!

We barely have time to get an economic populist poised to win int 2016.

[truedelphi]

13. I'd go wth someone who was a

Democrat. A real Democrat.

Actual interview from a long time ago:
Young reporter to FDR: So are you a Capitalist?

FDR: No!

Young Reporter: So are you then a Socialist?

FDR: No!

Young Reporter: So then what are you?

FDR: A Democrat!

[JohnnyRingo]

14. Where's the money?

I've seen a lot of threads about a primary against Obama here, but considering it'll take close to a billion dollars, I've seen no attempts to raise that level of cash with about a year to go.

Since there's no money forthcoming from the Democratic party, and certainly a progressive candidate can't be beholden to corporate interests, that leaves the grassroots funding that hasn't even begun to formulate. If progressives who want Obama out want to put their collective money where their mouths are, it'll take more cash per individual than my Dollar General calculator can figure.

Good luck with that.

[Fla_Democrat]

15. Any one of the thousands of

posters who feel they know just how to do things.. and they would sure handle things better/differently. :evilgrin:






:smoke:

[pipi_k]

23. You beat me to it...

:7

[HappyMe]

25. Lol!

:spray:



They know every nuance of Constitutional law, are great negotiators, have sat in on numerous meetings....... oh, wait..

[Prophet 451]

16. Batman

I have always felt that fictional characters don't feature heavily enough in politics, although Michelle Bachmann is doing sterling work in advancing the cause.

[LWolf]

21. You answered your own question.

You named 4 who would be better, 2 of whom aren't even Democrats.

I'll bet we can find a whole bunch more Democrats to round out that list.

Why settle, when we've got better?

[Hubert Flottz]

22. Wimpy...

[joeybee12]

26. I don't have to vote for Obama and I won't...

I'm sick of this lesser of two evils bullshit. Grow a pair, Obama, educate yourself on what will get this economy started, get yourself a moral center or at least some principles, THEN I'll vote for you.

[scheming daemons]

39. No.. you don't have to vote for him. But you DO have to live with the consequences if

too many people act the same as you do.


We all do.

[joeybee12]

40. We're leaving with the horrific consequences of the Obama presidency...

And if re-elected, he'll only get worse...we need to clean house, and he needs to go so he doesn't blackmail or threaten any Dems who actually try to accomplish something.

[TheKentuckian]

41. As you will live with the consequences of steadfast refusal to push the President and party

where they were being more than less terrible than the TeaPubliKlans and working diligently for the bottom of the shit pile instead of coddling capitulation, ideological assimilation, and die hard maintenance and furthered the corporate movement.

You and yours have done nothing to keep the party from going off the rails and have enabled any turning away and certainly a lot of warmed over Republican bullshit.

[scheming daemons]

47. You're trying to push the President to a place where election defeat is guaranteed

It's called Kucinich-land... or Sanders-land. It's a place where 20% of the population vociferously supports you, but the other 80% do not.

It's a place where national election can NOT be won. Not in America in 2012.

[Joe Fields]

27. Me. You. My neighbor.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

35. The ODSers will write in Peter Pan. That's how deep their hatred for this president runs. n/t

[apnu]

38. Howard Fucking Dean (nt)

[Ilsa]

45. Good choice. Let's make MiddleFingerMom vp. nt

[in_cog_ni_to]

42. Bernie Sanders, Alan Grayson, Dennis Kucinich, Russ Feingold and any other Progressive

who has balls to stand against the rethugs. I'm writing in Bernie. I'm sick of this voting for the lesser of two evils bullshit. Their corruption will NEVER STOP as long as the people keep excusing it and reelecting them! I'll vote for Bernie Sanders every year until we get a Progressive to run.

[Ilsa]

44. MiddleFingerMom in The Lounge.

Okay, maybe not. But it would be a really FUN presidency!

[0rganism]

46. Jimmy Carter

He's fit - He's tanned - He's ready for a second term!

Seriously, looking back, Carter was the best president of my lifetime.