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20score Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-11 12:35 AM
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“I think that’s arrogant. There are smart people in charge; they wouldn’t let bad things happen.”
Edited on Wed Aug-31-11 12:56 AM by 20score
A statement like that covers a lot of moronic ground, so it’s not easy to out-dumb it. Have there been statements made that were more idiotic than this one, sometime in history? Most definitely. Even heard some myself -- just can’t think of any at the moment. It was made about a year ago by an acquaintance. It was in response to my answer, to his question, “So, what’s going on politically?” I checked to make sure he was serious and really wanted an answer. He assured me he did; he wanted to know. So I told him.

He believed all the economic problems of the nation had been solved and there was nothing left to worry about in that regard. He expected me to confirm his feelings. Instead I told him that although there have been minor improvements for the short term -this was a year ago, remember – in the long term, we were looking at more bad times to come. The Stimulus wasn’t big enough and the effect wouldn’t last. Derivatives were still basically unregulated and were bound to make any upcoming problems many times worse. Speculation on the futures market could and probably would, drive up prices on gas, food and other essentials. Nothing had happened in the tax code which will help the economy and we would most likely stay in Iraq and Afghanistan, despite the will of the people. Our trade policy was still geared to help mostly large multi-national companies and harm the average worker. I also mentioned that nothing had been done to bring good paying jobs with benefits back to this country. My answer was given calmly with a tinge of resignation and a little bit hopelessness, because that’s the way I felt at the time. His reaction took me by surprise. He got angry and made the above statement.

Accusing someone of being arrogant is very big on the right whenever facts won’t serve their purpose in an argument. Whether the topic is Social Security, global warming or economics, accusing someone of being arrogant is adult peer pressure. It’s the grown-up equivalent of, “What are ya, chicken?” Most adults don’t like to be charged with arrogance, any more than a ten year old likes to be called 'chicken.’ For the base, greedy, douche-bags selling propaganda, this is just another weapon in their arsenal. Along with lying and dividing people into us-and-them camps. My former acquaintance wasn’t using the term to intimidate me into changing my mind, but he did want me to think twice before voicing anything that challenged his worldview. This particular person could deny reality with the best of them, especially when his company stood to make money if his beliefs held true.

All across the propagandistsphere, (TM, me - as far as I know) pundits have been calling those who believe in climate change, “arrogant.” Larry Elders, Beck, Limbaugh, even CNN’s Chad Meyers have said that those who believe humans could have an effect on the earth’s temperature, are “arrogant.” Facts and science should be thrown out, because it’s obvious we are too insignificant to have an effect. Why go any further than that? You really think you’re that important? Bill O’Donnell of the Rockford Register said what so many others in the media, and those who follow their nonsense say almost every time the subject comes up, “It is, I believe, arrogant of mankind to think it can cause climate change.”

When Palin, O’Reilly or anyone else who is claiming to be just, ‘one of the folks’ uses the word, “elite’ they do not mean it as a compliment, and they certainly don’t mean to call the elite in question, ‘the cream of the crop.’ They say the word with an inflection in their voice that means those people think they are better than you. They are arrogant. Whatever they say is suspect at best and should be ignored. Who do they think they are? To think they know better than us – it’s arrogant. When an economist like Paul Krugman states that tax cuts will not stimulate the economy anywhere as effectively as direct government spending, well, he can be ignored because he’s a liberal elite and he thinks he knows better than you do. And that is arrogant.

Social Security is attacked in much the same way. If the lies about SS being broke and being a Ponzi Scheme are put forth and still haven’t had the desired effect, the deal closer is often an attack on those who would keep SS in its current form as being, arrogant. Are they saying these people are too stupid to plan for their own retirement? That pretty arrogant, don’t you think? The truth is the arrogance is on the side of those who think every dime on the planet should be theirs for the taking… or at the very least they believe they should get a cut. It is also arrogant to believe a layman - who has never read a word about or given any real thought to economics - knows as much as a Nobel Laureate. And it is also arrogant to believe that thousands of scientists are lying to you so that they can make a buck.

Time to hold up a mirror.

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Kalidurga Donating Member (627 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-11 12:45 AM
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1. I've been called arrogant most my life.
I saw a lot of these problems decades ago. I didn't know the names of the problems such as unregulated Derivatives and a lot of other terms. But, I had a sense that the economic disparities that we have in this country were going to blow up get worse and cause a lot of problems. I saw the start of Michigan's decline and didn't see how that was going to get any better if they just kept doing the same thing, which they did and 3 decades later it is bad beyond what my imagination as a teenager could ever come up with. Anywho, the adults in my life and some of my peers called me arrogant for having the nerve to think I had a clue about what could happen if greedy people horded wealth and didn't build factories or what ever to keep money circulating in the economy.
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20score Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-11 08:36 AM
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10. Welcome to DU!
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suede1 Donating Member (770 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-11 12:47 AM
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2. Nice job of breaking down how they equate
being informed with being 'Elite'. They sneer at people who are ejamukated instead of doing a thing to improve their own base of knowledge. Thanks for the break down, I never quite got what they meant by 'Elite', now I do.

And it *is* scary to hear adults say such naive things. It's when I hear that sort of thing that I am in favor of the electoral college.
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20score Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-11 01:44 AM
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4. Thanks!
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Duppers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-11 02:12 AM
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5. Perzactly.
Edited on Wed Aug-31-11 02:22 AM by Duppers
But you mean not in favor of the EC. Al Gore could have bee elected if only the popular vote were considered.

K & R for the OP too.

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snagglepuss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-11 01:08 AM
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3. .
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Duppers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-11 02:14 AM
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6. Emailing this one.
Big, big thumbs up!

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provis99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-11 02:40 AM
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7. It's always interesting trying to talk to a caveman, isn't it?
I think their empty heads basically contain ten stock phrases that they like to trot out for all purposes; and accusing someone of being arrogant is one of them.
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DCKit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-11 04:25 AM
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8. Good one! nt
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LetTimmySmoke Donating Member (970 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-11 04:59 AM
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9. The problem isn't smart or dumb people. It's greedy people with insufficient ways to stop them.
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Lars39 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-11 09:19 AM
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11. "and the meek shall inherit the earth"
Now I wonder if "elite" and "arrogant" are code words.
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punkin87 Donating Member (257 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-11 10:32 AM
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12. "propagandistsphere" Never saw it before! And what a dummie that guy is!
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ljm2002 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-11 11:10 AM
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13. The best and the brightest...
...hmmm, for some reason that phrase has a familiar ring to it. Oh yeah, it was the title of a book detailing exactly how the Very Smart People did, indeed, let bad things happen -- namely, our entry into the disastrous Vietnam war. In fact it is fair to say they *made* bad things happen, didn't just *let* them happen.

If smart people would not let bad things happen, then how to explain all the bad things that happen? (*) It's a conundrum, for sure.

(*) Removing natural disasters, of course, and things that are beyond the control of the government. Although the Very Smart People in corporations do their share of damage as well...
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-11 11:13 AM
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14. Smart doesnt guarantee there will be no greed...
There are plenty of smart greedy people.

Greed is the enemy, not intelligence.
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ljm2002 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-11 11:32 AM
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15. Yes, I agree with you...
...smart is no guarantee against greed, nor against evil which is often motivated by greed. In fact many Very Smart People are also Very Greedy People, and some are Very Evil People, and some are both. Dick Cheney, anyone? He isn't stupid but he sure is a greedy evil bastid.
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-11 11:34 AM
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16. Evil genius...
Yeah, he's the poster creature without a pulse for evil genius and greed.
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ihavenobias Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-11 01:57 PM
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17. Yes
Someone being armed with facts and information is 'arrogance'. Crazy.
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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-11 02:16 PM
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18. The very basic problem with that statement ...
is assuming that those who do bad things are dumb.

Some very evil people are very intelligent.

Failing to understand that very basic point, gets a lot of people in trouble.
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punkin87 Donating Member (257 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-11 11:42 PM
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22. That and more. Even a child should get that there have always been smart people in charge.
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20score Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-11 03:48 PM
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19. I thought that shining a light on all of their tricks was a good thing.
(Haven't seen this one pointed out.)
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Laelth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-11 04:36 PM
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20. Well said. Nice work. k&r n/t
-Laelth
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20score Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-11 09:50 PM
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21. Thank you!
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snagglepuss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-11 12:13 PM
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23. kick
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