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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-28-11 07:03 PM
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Did you Know There Were No Terrorist Attacks in the U.S. during George W. Bush’s Presidency?
The stereotype of the Republican Party as the Party that protects us against external threats of violence is absolutely essential to the agenda and even the continued existence of the Republican Party. It is essential to their ability to feed the military industrial complex with their fraudulent wars, which they pawn off on the American people by leading them to believe that these wars are conducted for the purpose of keeping them safe. And it is essential to their electoral success because they have to have something going for them to weigh against the widely known fact that their economic policies favor the wealthy and are highly unfavorable to ordinary Americans.

So essential is the continuation of this stereotype that Republicans tell blatant lies about anything in order to support it, no matter how easily disproved the lies are. The most ridiculous of these lies is the contention that the most severe terrorist attack on U.S. soil in U.S. history (not to mention the worst invasion of the U.S. mainland in almost 200 years), the September 11, 2001 attacks on New York City and Washington D.C., did not occur during the presidency of George W. Bush (President from January 2001 to January 2009). Here are some examples:

“We did not have a terrorist attack on our country during President Bush’s term.” – Dana Perino, former Bush Press Secretary, November 24, 2009, on FOX “News”.

“I was there, we inherited a recession from President Clinton and we inherited the most tragic attack on our own soil in our nation’s history.” – Mary Matalin, long time Republican Party political hack and member of the George W. Bush administration, December 27, 2009, on CNN.

“We had no domestic attacks under Bush” – Rudy Giuliani, Mayor of New York City during the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks on New York City, January 9, 2009, on ABC’s “Good Morning America”.

“We were certainly safe between 2000 and 2008 – I don’t remember any terrorist attacks on American soil during that period of time.” – Eric Bolling, FOX “News” host, July 14, 2011, on FOX “News”.


How are they able to get away with this nonsense?

They are able to get away with these lies for the same reason that they’re able to get away with all their other lies. They know that they will not be called on their lies by the “mainstream” corporate owned news media, through which they spew so many of their lies.

For example, in response to Giuliani’s whopper, “We had no domestic attacks under Bush”, the ABC talking head George Stephanopoulos just sat their and didn’t utter a word of correction. Later, in response to widespread outrage about the incident from progressives, he was forced to apologize:

All of you who have pointed out that I should have pressed him on that misstatement in the moment are right… My mistake, my responsibility.

Some might give him credit for at least apologizing. I don’t give him much credit for that. His inaction was at best a case of supreme incompetence for a presumed journalist, and Stephanopoulos’ past actions leave little doubt that the omission was intentional. In offering his apology he really had no choice. The reaction against his act of supreme incompetence (to give him the benefit of the doubt) was loud enough that refusing to apology would have lost him and ABC a great amount of credibility. The apology was too little, too late.

The Republican Party and the corporate media that supports them operate on the principle that if something is said often enough, people will believe it. Not everyone will believe it. But enough people will believe it, or at least believe that the lies are merely innocent mistakes, to make them highly worthwhile from a political standpoint.


Claiming what they “obviously” meant

Still, one should wonder how, even with a complicit puppet corporate news media, why highly prominent people such as Rudy Giuliani are willing to risk their reputations by spewing such obvious lies. With regard to the September 11 attacks, they have a neat little fallback position in case someone calls them on their lies: They simply imply or outright claim that they really didn’t mean to imply what they said. They obviously meant something else. This is what Rudy Giuliani said when he was called on his whopper about there being no domestic attacks during the Bush administration:

I usually say we had no domestic attacks, no major domestic attack under President Bush since Sept. 11… I did omit the words 'since Sept. 11.' I apologize for that.

He had to admit the mistake and apologize because, like Stephanopoulos, he had to maintain some credibility. Still, the implication of his apology statement, it seems to me, was that he had merely made a minor mistake – that is, there is just a minor difference between a president having no terrorist attacks on his watch and having the most severe terrorist attack in U.S. history on his watch.

But if you work for FOX “News”, you don’t even have to apologize because…. well, FOX “News” doesn’t have any credibility with minimally intelligent people to maintain. This is what Eric Bolling said when he was called on his statement that he didn’t “remember any terrorist attacks on American soil” from 2001 to 2008:

Yesterday, I misspoke when saying that there were no US terror attacks during the Bush years. Obviously, I meant in the aftermath of 9/11, but that is when the radical liberal left pounced on us…. thank you liberals for reminding me how petty you can be.

Oh yes, he obviously meant to say “in the aftermath of 9/11”. Why is that so “obvious”? Clearly, his implication is that the fact that the 9/11 attacks occurred on Bush’s watch is of little or no importance. The fact that the worst terrorist attack on U.S. soil in U.S. history occurred on Bush’s watch is of little or no importance because…. well, because everyone knows that Republican presidents keep us safe. The 9/11 attacks themselves don’t count because if they did count, that would contradict and ruin the stereotype that Republicans need to get elected and make their wars. But then, as Bolling says, only petty radical liberal leftists would think that it is important to correct the lie that the 9/11 attacks did not in fact occur on the watch of a Republican president.

Anyhow, even if the 9/11 attacks aren’t counted, it still is not true that terrorist attacks didn’t occur on Bush’s watch. There were the 2001 Anthrax attacks against Senators Tom Daschle and Patrick Leahy and several news outlets. There was the 2002 shooting by Hesham Mohamed Hadayet at Los Angeles International Airport, which killed two people and wounded four. There was the shooting spree by John Allen Muhammad and his accomplice. And there was the 2006 incident, in which Mohammed Reza Taheri-azar drove an SUV into nine pedestrians at the University of North Carolina.


The truth

Today’s Republican Party lies with abandon because they know that the “mainstream” corporate media is behind them all the way and will not call them on their lies unless they are forced to. Through their lies and distortions of history they managed to turn the worst terrorist attack in U.S. history into enough of a political plus to get the worst president in U.S. history re-elected to a second term.

Perhaps the most damaging lie Republicans tell today is that FDR’s New Deal didn’t work or, even worse, that it prolonged the Great Depression. Right wingers hate the New Deal because it mostly benefits ordinary Americans and greatly enlarged the U.S. middle class, thereby substantially narrowing the income and wealth gap between the wealthy and the rest of us. That lie can be easily exposed in many ways, perhaps most obviously by looking at unemployment/job creation and GDP during FDR’s presidency. First, consider the unemployment rate, shown in this chart:



Unemployment rate stood at nearly 22% when FDR took office. It declined steadily during his presidency, so that by 1939 it was about 16% – not good, but quite an improvement. Consider how that translated into job creation. During the 80-year period from 1929-2009, Hoover’s presidency was the only one during which jobs were actually lost – though George W. Bush’s two terms came mighty close to zero job growth, and Obama’s first term is still in the red as of this time. Job growth during this 80-year period exceeded 4% during only two of the twenty presidential terms – FDR’s first term (5.3%) and his third term (5.1%). Overall, job creation during the FDR presidencies was the most impressive of all presidents we have had since.

Our Gross Domestic Product, hitting bottom at about the time Roosevelt was sworn into office, soon began a long recovery, as seen in the graph below:



This graph begins at approximately the time of the Stock Market Crash of 1929. You can see that GDP plummeted steeply following the Crash, during a period when Herbert Hoover was President. Hoover was a noted practitioner of laissez-faire economics, which means that he was adamantly opposed to government intervention to end the Depression – and indeed, he steadfastly avoided government intervention, no matter how bad things got.

FDR took office in March 1933. You can see from the graph that the steep slide in GDP was arrested in 1933, and began a steady rise in 1934, so that by 1940 it had nearly reached pre-Crash levels. All of this happened before we entered World War II.

But now we are rapidly heading in the opposite direction, as the Republican Party, with the full support of the corporate media, as well as many Democrats who have been co-opted by the promise of money from wealthy interests, has convinced enough Americans to make a difference that what is good for the wealthy is good for everyone else. Consequently, money that could be used to create jobs, provide life-saving support for the most vulnerable Americans, and educate our youth is instead being squandered with tax cuts for the wealthiest individuals and corporations. The result is rising poverty, a shrinking middle class, and the largest income gap in U.S. history. The American people must learn to see through the right wing lies and propaganda hurled at them before these processes can be reversed.


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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-28-11 07:09 PM
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1. A competent journalist would assume Republicans are going to lie...
...and be prepared to call them on it when it happens. This is serious.

However, they are prepared to attack the credentials of any Democrat or liberal, by taking the position of the Republican Party. Why do they do that?
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0rganism Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-28-11 07:15 PM
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3. ...unless their paychecks depend on them assuming otherwise
Consolidation of media ownership in the hands of rightwingers continues to be the downfall of the fourth estate.
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rhett o rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-28-11 07:46 PM
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7. The Corp-Media has no "competent journalists". nm
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-11 05:46 PM
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50. Competent journalists don't do that
Most of the journalists who work for the corporate news media are political hacks, not competent journalists. They do what they do because they get money and celebrity from it. They are essentially prostitutes... On second thought, saying that is an insult to those who we normally think of as prostitutes, so I apologize to them. Getting money to spread lies that ruin our country is more akin to treason.
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libodem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-28-11 07:15 PM
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2. Consider my nose rubbed in it
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libodem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-28-11 07:18 PM
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4. What a whopper
Only the biggest ever. Super liars.
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0rganism Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-28-11 07:22 PM
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5. post-9/11/01, there were several IIRC
Edited on Sun Aug-28-11 07:24 PM by 0rganism
The West Virginia sniper, the anthrax attacks on congress just to name two relatively famous examples.

Additionally, between 2001 and 2009, there were numerous religiously-motivated attacks on women's health clinics which IMHO count as terrorism, plain and simple.

edit - Yet more examples:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism_in_the_United_States#2000s
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Hugabear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-28-11 07:26 PM
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6. Bush WAS a terrorist
Not too many terrorists can claim they have killed millions. You could add combine EVERY terrorist from the past few decades, they don't come close to the damage BushCo caused.
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-28-11 09:28 PM
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9. He was, definitely.
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The Wizard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-28-11 08:35 PM
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8. They own the media
Pox News blatant propaganda provides cover for the other, more subtle, propaganda to sneak in under the radar. The entire system has been seized by a silent fascist coup. We're fucked.
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Frank Cannon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-11 06:56 AM
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15. The big difference between our media and the old Soviet Pravda...
is that the Soviet people knew that Pravda was bullshit and they regularly ridiculed it. The American people, on the other hand, seem powerless and clueless over the barrage of propaganda they face every minute of every day. We really have been well and truly conditioned.

So yes, I agree. We're fucked.
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The Wizard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-11 08:12 AM
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19. The Soviet's big mistake
was to educate their people. The Americans learned to keep people just smart enough to operate the machinery but not smart enough to think for themselves.
Pox News and hate radio keep enough people in the Republican fold to ensure a fascist/feudal model functions without the slaves/serfs noticing.
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Frank Cannon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-11 07:18 PM
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59. You're absolutely right.
The Soviets did try to educate their people because they were trying to keep up with the United States and our amazing feats of technology. Now WE are competing with the Chinese and Mexican slave/feudal labor models. No need for us to even be able to spell our names.

Pretty f-in' sad.
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Flatulo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-11 08:27 PM
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60. Yeah, because we're all so stoopid.
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Cosmocat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-30-11 06:00 AM
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64. Oh, even better ...
the MSM is derided as the ...

LIBERAL MEDIA ...

Heck, even the soviets could not pull that off ...
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RandySF Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-28-11 09:45 PM
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10. Bush was too dang sophisticated for Perry's taste.
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RandySF Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-28-11 09:47 PM
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11. oops, wrong thread.
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Kablooie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-28-11 11:44 PM
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12. It's impossible for a Republican to lie.
As soon as they say something it becomes a fact.
That's why there is no global warming, trickle down economics works wonderfully, Obama is not an American and evolution doesn't exist.
They have a hotline to God so whatever they decide to say, God instantly makes it true.

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hopiakuta Donating Member (62 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-11 02:40 AM
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13. Yes.

Yes.

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w0nderer Donating Member (430 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-11 07:43 AM
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65. are you lying now?
no!
see they aren't lying!
how about that no, was that a lie?
no
how about that last no, was that the truth?
yes
and that yes wasn't a lie either?
well maybe a bit
so the yes defining the no prior to it defining the no before that to answer the 'are you lying' was in fact a lie?
no, well sorta, i mean not really, i guess kinda


inspired by tiffany aching (Terry Pratchett I shall wear midnight)


asking 'are you lying' means nothing without asking if the answer itself is a lie
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Major Hogwash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-11 05:19 AM
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14. Post of the day!! K&R!! Bookmarked!!! Excellent!!! Outstanding!!
Edited on Mon Aug-29-11 05:20 AM by Major Hogwash
Man, this made my day!!
Thank you so much.
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-11 05:48 PM
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51. Thank you
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HughBeaumont Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-11 07:42 AM
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16. K & R, except Bewsh's presidency DID have near zero job growth:


In fact, if that chart says anything, it's that the worst performing economies on that chart for job growth were all Supply-Side economies.

And if today's economy is to learn ANYthing from this chart, it's that Supply-Side solutions cannot cure Supply-Side-created problems.

But is this really a time where people learn from their mistakes instead of willfully making them over and over and over and over again?

NAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH.
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-11 07:52 AM
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18. Nice chart
I did say that "Bush's two terms came mighty close to zero job growth".

It is also interesting to note that, with the exception of the Obama presidency, since Hoover, every Democratic presidency has been characterized by greater job growth than every Republican presidency. That's what Obama gets for accepting so many Republican talking points.

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Snotcicles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-11 07:50 AM
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17. Just a one word correction, replace the word (during) with (until). nt
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-11 08:25 AM
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20. KnR 48....Bush allowed for the 9/11 shit to happen by not warning us nor the airlines AFTER
he was warned Aug 6th 2001 in the famous Texas meeting...

He has the blood of 9000 lives on his hands....cheneys too....both are major league assholes...
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-11 10:40 AM
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24. Those are very important points
A book could be written about all the screwups that allowed this to happen -- and many have been.

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Zax2me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-11 08:45 AM
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21. I think everyone knows 911 happened during bush term.
No?
Certainly no one claims, or when confronted with any of these quotes, denies this.
That would be silly.
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-11 09:16 AM
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22. The point is that they use their talking points
to paint a rosy picture of the Bush record on terrorism. Through repeated statements to the effect that "there were no terrorist" attacks in the U.S." during Bush's presidency, they conjure up the impression (for those who are perfectly aware that 9-11 occurred on Bush's watch) that the 9-11 attacks do not count as a mark against the Bush presidency. There are many millions of Americans who are gullible enough to internalize this way of thinking after hearing it repeated in the "mainstream" news media over and over again. Furthermore, there are other Americans who are not aware that the 9-11 attacks occurred under Bush's watch (Millions of voting age Americans were 8 years old when they occurred, and many of them don't pay enough attention to what's going on in the world to know even now who was president at the time). When they hear it repeated that no terrorist attacks occurred on Bush's watch, they simply accept that, even if giving a little thought to the matter would convince them otherwise. That is precisely the reason why Republican politicians keep on repeating these things.
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-11 01:35 PM
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33. Are you trying to deny the above quotes?!
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Overseas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-11 09:21 AM
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23. K&R. It has been very frustrating that Republican lies go unchallenged
so much of the time.

They have been so successful in just continuing to lie and lie and then those lies just seem to become an accepted part of our national discourse.

In addition to the very galling claims of no terrorist attacks on their watch (after they ignored numerous warnings before 9/11) the Big Lie that tax cuts create jobs has been allowed to sail along in spite of the ample evidence to the contrary.

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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-11 05:53 PM
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52. The lie that tax cuts create jobs is a huge one... Actually, what they really mean to say
is that tax cuts for the wealthy create jobs.

The flip side of that lie is saying that spending money on social programs is bad for our economy, which is about as big of a lie as that tax cuts for the wealthy create jobs.
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saras Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-11 11:13 AM
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25. How many times does a liar have to harm you with lies before you shut them up?
HOW many terror incidents? Right-wing terror AFTER 9-11 - dates only.

October 14, 2001
December 5, 2001
December 11, 2001
January 4, 2002
February 8, 2002
July 19, 2002
August 22, 2002
October 3, 2002
January 8, 2003
January 18, 2003
February 13, 2003
April 3, 2003
April 10, 2003
June 4, 2003
October 10, 2003
April 1, 2004
May 24, 2004
October 13, 2004
October 25, 2004
May 20, 2005
June 10, 2005
March 19, 2006
April 26, 2007
June 8, 2008
August 24, 2008
October 24, 2008
December 9, 2008
December 16, 2008
January 21, 2009
April 4, 2009
April 25, 2009
May 31, 2009
June 10, 2009
June 12, 2009
June 25, 2009
Oct. 28, 2009
Feb. 18, 2010
March 25, 2010
March 27-28, 2010
April 15, 2010
April 30, 2010
May 10, 2010
May 20, 2010
June 8, 2010
July 18, 2010
July 21, 2010
Sept. 2, 2010
Sept. 7, 2010
Sept. 19, 2010
Jan. 14, 2011
Jan. 17, 2011
March 10, 2011
May 14, 2011

details at http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/publications/terror-from-the-right
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saras Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-11 11:13 AM
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26. delete - dupe
Edited on Mon Aug-29-11 11:38 AM by saras
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Larry Ogg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-11 11:15 AM
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27. It's psychological warfare, plane and simple...
Edited on Mon Aug-29-11 11:28 AM by Larry Ogg
Mind warping and reality distorting on a subconscious level.

The target audience is week minded authoritarian conservatives in both parties, and those who don't pay to much attention to politics.

The term in Ponerology is "reversive blockade", even when the victim knows hears the truth, the trusted authority can move them away from the truth by saying the exact opposite, and the victims understanding of what truth is..., will be somewhere in the golden mean, i.e. between the truth and exact opposite.

And then, when someone (a liberal) points out the truth; the liar, in order to maintain credibility, will attack and belittle (gaslighting) the messenger. And if your a loyal authoritarian conservative, listening to something a liberal says would cause cognitive dissonance. And because conservatives have been taught to believe that liberals are evil, conservatives will resolve the dissonance by believing their trusted authority (the liar) is better than believing the liberal.

By warping and distorting the conservatives reality, the politician and media "spellbinders" can shift the blame (aka transposing and scapegoating) away from the guilty authoritarian conservative leaders and onto the victims, but more importantly, onto the liberals who have some psychological immunity towards the lies and psycho babble coming from the democratic and republican right wing spellbinders.

Lies, lies and lots of liars in our pretend Democracy

The predator class (aka psychopath elites), screen and hand pick, via campaign contributions and bribes, the political spellbinders that will be turned into political celebrities, via the predator owned M$M, and most Americans will vote, into office, these spellbinders that are beholden to the predator class, the exception being a very small minority of liberal democrats that couldn't be taken out by the lies and propaganda, and were thus elected legitimately, and have yet to be eliminated.

An even bigger lie is that the Blue Dog DLC Democratic branch of the Republican Party, is made out to be liberals, according to republicans and the M$M, when in fact nothing is further from the truth. And it's becoming more and more obvious that the conservative democrats and republicans are apposed to liberals and liberal values to a lesser and greater degree respectively.

I almost have to wonder if the democratic leadership has taken on the facade of being liberal, even though their incompetent problem solvers, and conservative spellbinders. They are in affect making liberals look very bad, because liberals are being scapegoated as the reason behind a crashing economy and the destruction of the American dream, even though the true liberal minority voice is just about totally ignored in the political process, as well silenced by the M$M.

The truth is that conservative democrats along with conservative republicans are destroying, via outright lies, all the progressive gains that liberals made when reason, sanity, and compassion had a voice in American politics. And the evil that is causing all our problems is blaming the only ones that can solve them, the liberals.



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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-11 05:59 PM
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53. "They are in affect making liberals look very bad, because liberals are being scapegoated
as the reason behind a crashing economy..."

That says it all. In the same sense, Obama is making Socialism look bad, because right wingers call him a socialist, many millions of Americans believe that crap, and just look at what "Socialism" is doing to our economy.

I think that if the problem with our political system could be summed up in one sentence, it would be that it is designed to help psychopaths rise to the top of the pack.

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cascadiance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-11 11:34 AM
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28. I guess he must have known that the anthrax TERRORIST was a Republican on a mission...
... and therefore didn't fit the Republican's party's definition of a terrorist, like so many that worked with them to "terrorize" Americans in this country have done the last decade or so.
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DemReadingDU Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-11 12:35 PM
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29. Someone actually told me that 9/11/2001 happened during Clinton's term, n/t

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saras Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-11 12:46 PM
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30. No, it was Carter - or wait, maybe it was FDR
:sarcasm:
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DemReadingDU Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-11 01:51 PM
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34. Republicans think that whatever they say, that we are supposed to believe them

That we can't think for ourselves or know enough history that it is the Republicans who are incorrect.


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Larry Ogg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-11 02:57 PM
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38. The republican followers believe, that it is better to believe a lie than to believe a liberal...
Edited on Mon Aug-29-11 02:58 PM by Larry Ogg
Sad to say that republican leaders are empowered by this illogical thinking, in fact, like all conservative leaders, they nurture and depend on it.

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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-11 04:11 PM
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43. Faith-based facts.
Just believe enough, and whatever you think will be the truth.

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bertman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-11 01:15 PM
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31. HUGE REC. nt
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-11 01:34 PM
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32. "the worst invasion of the U.S. mainland in almost 200 years"? We weren't "invaded," then or ever.
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-11 01:54 PM
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35. We were invaded by the British in 1814
http://history1800s.about.com/od/americanwars/tp/1814washingtonburns.htm

As for the 9/11 attacks, I think that that could be considered an invasion, by standard definitions:
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/invade
Though I don't think it's of much importance whether we refer to it as an invasion.




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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-11 03:58 PM
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40. Oops; gotta give you the War of 1812! But the 9/11 hijackers were living here, technically. But then
Edited on Mon Aug-29-11 04:00 PM by WinkyDink
I don't buy the Official Version.

And if we didn't want the British to invade, we shouldn't have declared war!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_of_1812
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-11 04:07 PM
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42. I don't
buy the official version either. But that can't be discussed in much detail here without having one's post sent to the dungeon. But buy it or not, and semantic issues aside, I don't think we should let Republicans get away with claiming that there were no terrorist attacks on our country during Bush's presidency.
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Politicalboi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-11 02:02 PM
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36. I still don't get why
He has a following of wing nuts after this video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4IrE6FMpai8

I'm not a guy, but I find it hard to believe that a straight male wouldn't have a problem dressing in women's clothing, and kissing Donald Trump. Can you imagine if Obama did that? LOL! There's no kiss in this video.
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BetterThanNoSN Donating Member (122 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-11 02:46 PM
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37. 2 observations...
Firstly, Bolling said , Oh yes, he obviously meant to say “in the aftermath of 9/11”. He had just said we were kept safe from 2000-2008, 2001 certainly resides in between. Secondly, when they blatantly try to re-write history, they intentionally make these statements of mistruth knowing their initial propaganda gets heard by all the listeners, the retraction?, not so many.
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-11 06:38 PM
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56. That's about it
No matter how ridiculous their statements, they usually work to their political advantage. That's what happens when you have control of the media.
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mckara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-11 03:53 PM
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39. Yes, 8 Years of a F'n' Mardi Gras...
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-11 04:06 PM
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41. Thanks. Great post.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-11 04:14 PM
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44. So what are they saying...that Nahn Wun Wun was jus' a li'l pinch on our chubby li'l cheek?nt
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-11 04:16 PM
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45. lying is part of the republican platform
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-11 04:50 PM
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47. Correction
Lying is the Republican strategy.
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1monster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-11 04:34 PM
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46. So, are they actually admitting that the Twin Towers deal was a planned demolition?
I mean, if it wasn't a terrorist attack, what else can we believe? :shrug:
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lumberjack_jeff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-11 05:19 PM
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48. Except *that* one. Oh, and the other one too.
But besides those two...
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PurgedVoter Donating Member (753 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-11 05:30 PM
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49. K&R, but they may be right!
Edited on Mon Aug-29-11 05:30 PM by PurgedVoter
Would a terrorist attack that was anticipated, desired and enabled really count as a terrorist attack? If such an attack were just using some outsiders to help manufacture consent then it hardly counts as a real terrorist attack.

Conservative leaders have a long tradition of being allowed to terrorize their constituents and not have it called terrorism. The use of torture is quite ineffective at winning hearts and gaining information, but it is great for striking terror in the hearts of relatives. Remember that the acts of the KKK are still not considered domestic terrorism. Conservatives are generally allowed to claim higher ethic, while showing no ethic at all.

If you get to define that the acts of American Conservatives are never terrorism, while you get to call unions terrorist organizations, then you get to say anything you want and how dare terrorists disagree with you, as long as you are a conservative.




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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-11 06:03 PM
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55. If what you're suggesting is true
(and I believe that it is), it would still be a terrorist attack. It's just a question of who all is responsible for it.
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PurgedVoter Donating Member (753 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-11 09:44 PM
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62. Defenitions are a tricky thing.
The prevalence of right wing newthink tanks in the beltway that are constantly tweaking definitions proves this.

I live in an area of Texas, where you are risking your car if you put a liberal bumper sticker on it. Just rowdy kids being spirited. If a group of kids started sneaking around and damaging cars with conservative bumper stickers it would be called terrorism and would justify the years of conservatives 'being rowdy.'

If you define terror as, 'The calculated use of unlawful violence or threat of unlawful violence to inculcate fear; intended to coerce or to intimidate governments or societies in the pursuit of goals that are generally political, religious, or ideological.' As our government does, then as long as you control what is lawful, you control what is terrorism. Thus shock and awe, is not terrorism.


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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-11 07:48 AM
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66. Those are very important points
I've written about that before: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=389&topic_id=4215790
(See part on "Was George W. Bush a terrorist?" Any rationale definition would define him as one. Too bad that is rarely discussed openly in this country.
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Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-11 06:01 PM
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54. well done presentation nt
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OnyxCollie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-11 06:43 PM
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57. K&R.
Bookmarked.
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robertpaulsen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-11 07:10 PM
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58. They only thing they "obviously" mean to do is spread the meme: "Don't Blame Bush".
While Dubya himself cannot pretend he wasn't in charge (although technically Bush wasn't in charge while the attacks of 9/11 occurred, Cheney was) it dovetails with every "misstatement" you mentioned in your OP that there was no major terror attack while Bush was in charge. He can give his History Channel interview and pull a Pee Wee Herman ("I meant to do that") on the American public regarding his deer-in-the-headlights reaction to the news of the second plane crashing into the WTC because by projecting strength in his historical revision he promotes the meme that he cannot be blamed, that Republicans keep us safe.

How do they get away with it? Allen Dulles said it best: http://www.jfklancer.com/LNE/report35.html">"But nobody reads. Don't believe people read in this country. There will be a few professors that will read the record...The public will read very little." Very few Americans have read how after Bush's freeze, he then followed the prescribed stage management from Ari Fleischer to http://www.historycommons.org/essay.jsp?article=essayaninterestingday">“DON’T SAY ANYTHING YET”. Hardly fitting the strong-Republican projection of the Decider-in-Chief, but remember, "nobody reads".
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Flatulo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-11 08:29 PM
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61. Gee, thanks for pointing out these blatant lies to us.
Because, you see, I am sooooo bloody stupid that I actually forgot who was president on 9/11/2001.
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ScottLand Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-30-11 04:46 AM
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63. The liberal media is nitpicking on the Eric Bolling statement
unless you're one of those people that believe that 2001 was somewhere between 2000 and 2008!
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