Would you damage your car to block a Wal_mart shoplifter?

[Liberal_in_LA]

http://video.foxnews.com/v/1126279774001/good-samaritans-block-shoplifters-with-car/?playlist_id=87937

Good Samaritans Block Shoplifters With Car

he pushes the shoplifter car up against the store

[Shagbark Hickory]

1. no

[chelsea0011]

2. no

[JanMichael]

3. no way in hell

nt

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[nadinbrzezinski]

5. It speaks volumes

not about being a good samaritan, but how far we now believe we need to protect corporations... oh and I don't think the insurance will cover it. so if wally mart wants a good end, they will pick up the cost.

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[Romulox]

6. Mind your own, asshole! nt

[geardaddy]

17. +1000

[napi21]

7. Absolutely NOT! Would WM fix my car if it did? The ans. is NO! nt

[RebelOne]

48. I'm with you. Walmart would not pay for the damages

and neither would his insurance company.

[LaurenG]

8. nope

[TBF]

9. Absolutely not - and especially not at WalMart. nt

[zonkers]

10. A tv commercial and a foxnews stream. Cant do it.

[Liberal_in_LA]

13. ok. He sees security around the car. Zips over from another lane,

blocks the car, she rams him, He pushes her (54 year old woman with younger woman) car across parking lot, up against building. His hood is jacked-up, needing couple thousand in repairs.

[CreekDog]

30. glad you think that means the verdict is guilty

no need for due process and all that.

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[zonkers]

120. Thank you. You definitely have a future in th closed captioning industry!

[Divine Discontent]

60. +1!

ain't givin' 'em the hit!

[Lucian]

11. Fuck no.

I worked at Walmart and saw customers stealing. I didn't stop them because I didn't care.

[Selatius]

14. No. It's just one small crude thief going up against a monolithic, sophisticated thief.

One steals product; the other sacks whole town economies, and it essentially ensures that that kind of sacking remains legal despite the existence of anti-trust laws against unfair competition and monopolistic enterprise. For sure, the thief will be indicted and convicted, but Wal-Mart will still be there.

[geardaddy]

18. You win the thread.

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[lynne]

15. We end up paying for shoplifters -

- as that expense is passed on to the consumer so YES I would block them with my car, even if it meant some damage.

Would others feel different if the theft was from a small mom & pop shop that really couldn't afford the loss? Don't know. It doesn't matter to me who the victim is, I would feel an obligation to assist in stopping any crime - in assisting any victim - if I could do so without bodily harm to myself or family.

[EOTE]

24. So you'd do $2500 worth of damages to your car so that...

you can pay a fraction of a penny less for a can of Pringles? That's assuming that you shop at Walmart to begin with. I somehow think it would take a very long time to earn your money back that way.

[NNN0LHI]

25. Most shoplifting is do to "shrinkage"

[Romulox]

27. How shopping at union-friendly stores? Help us all out THAT way

instead of causing danger to others by taking it upon yourself to assault someone with your car? :hi:

[fishwax]

84. I don't know that you can do what he did knowing there will be no bodily harm

probably not to him or his family (unless things really got carried away with the ramming of his car), but the maneuver of using his minivan to push the other vehicle across the parking lot and up against the store probably could have resulted in harm to bystanders.

[Raine]

85. IMO stores that use shoplifting as an excuse to raise prices on

law abiding shoppers are thieves themselves. :mad: If a store has a problem with theft get more security, put in alarms and cameras. That's what the average person has to do in their own home ... it comes out or their own pocket.

[Lucian]

113. That's stupid.

Walmart wouldn't give a shit if you damaged your car to gain back a few dollars worth of items that were stolen.

And FYI, Walmart gets paid for whatever item was lost/stolen anyways. I would know this because I worked there for three years.

[madrchsod]

16. no.....if i were hurt walmart would`t pay me a penny .

anyone who can beat walmart`s security is ok in my book.

[geardaddy]

19. nuh-uh.

[bluestateguy]

20. It's not my responsibility

I have not shopped at a Wal Mart in 9 years, but if I did, I would be a shopper only, not a security agent.

[mitchtv]

21. My car? Walmart?

Not in this lifetime.

[Kurmudgeon]

22. The guy did well, 2 crooks off the street, no telling who their next victim may be.

You can't excuse crime just because you don't like the victim.

[yellowcanine]

43. And you KNOW they are guilty how? Sorry but we have judges and juries for that.

You can't deny due process just because you don't like the accused.

[blkmusclmachine]

23. Ha-Ha:

NO!

[LiberalFighter]

28. Hell no!!

[CreekDog]

29. First, you don't know if they're really shoplifting, Second, you don't use deadly force for this

:shrug:

[ManiacJoe]

83. The alleged thieves thought that deadly force was reasonable.

Defense using the same can be expected.

[CreekDog]

87. what was the deadly force?

you can counter deadly force with deadly force.

but you don't counter alleged shoplifting with deadly force. if that's former was the case, then the issue isn't the shoplifting, it's the deadly force.

[ManiacJoe]

107. Ramming of the van wth the car by the women.

Countered with pushing of the car with the van.

[Yavin4]

31. WalMart Has Stolen Far More Than A Million Shoplifters Could In A Week

WalMart has stolen:

Wages from working class people
Competitors' ability to stay in business
American Mfg.
Tax payer dollars
...and much more


I would give the shoplifter a ride.

[krabigirl]

34. Yep.

[angstlessk]

41. Don't forget their scanners often charge more than the posted price

NEVER less, but often more than the posted price, and almost impossible to check!

I consider that as theft right from my pocket!

[pipi_k]

32. No way. The only way I would purposely damage my car....

would be if I were carjacked or something.

If somebody jumps in and directs me to drive, that sucker's going straight into a tree or pole. On the passenger's side.

[JI7]

33. No, and i'm getting tired of reading these stories, these people are NOT good samaritans

yes, stealing is wrong even from walmart. but what he did was stupid. even if they stole from a company that wasn't shit like walmart.

what he did seemed dangerous and could hurt more people.

especially these days they could take a picture with cell phones, cameras etc. or even just write down licence plate and other description of the car.

and walmart probably has cameras inside.

[begin_within]

35. What is wrong with Walmart that they didn't catch the shoplifter in the first place?

[TheMightyFavog]

98. Aren't most stoer security/employees under strict "Observe and Report" policies for insurance?

Basically they can do no more than get as much detail as they can and report the incident to the cops. I remember eading somewhere about a walmart employee who got fired for tackling a shoplifter...

[begin_within]

103. What are those people at the exits told to do?

They look at you and smile, I guess sometimes they check your receipt, but what if they see you have shoplifted something or suspect you have? Can they detain you or do they just smile and wave at you even if you have a bottle of booze in your socks?

[Sen. Walter Sobchak]

110. At my local wal-mart the "greeter" is a 70+, 90lbs vietnamese woman

She couldn't stop a runaway shopping cart.

[Sen. Walter Sobchak]

109. Where I worked we probably would have helped them to their car with a 52" TV

Physical altercations with people who have nothing to lose are seriously ill-advised.

[hifiguy]

36. Never in life

Wal-Mart can fornicate itself with an iron stick.

[Gemini Cat]

37. Risk my life? Damage my car? For walmart?

Yeah, right.

[JI7]

38. i wouldn't be surprised if this guy votes Republican

yes, what those women did was wrong. and he was so upset about it that he decided to do something himself.

but i bet he would never vote in a way which would hold walmart and other companies responsbile for the shit they do around the world .

well, he doesn't even have to vote republican. he could even be a non voter like so many.

[Chisox08]

39. Hell NO

I not damaging my car in order to stop a shoplifter. I don't care what store it is.

[yellowcanine]

40. Actually that is stupid. Sorry, shoplifting does not justify using your vehicle as a weapon.

It would be one thing he had witnessed a violent crime by these women. But he didn't. He can't even be sure he witnessed a crime at all. Even a police officer would not be able to do this and escape sanction. How did he know there wasn't a child in the car?

[JI7]

42. exactly, the guy is a fool and put others in danger , he is NOT a good samaritan

[geardaddy]

45. He should be charged with something.

[apocalypsehow]

56. With what? n/t.

[pipi_k]

64. If the guy only blocked the other car

with his own, then probably nothing.


If he actually used his car to ram the other car up against the wall, then maybe assault with a deadly weapon.

[geardaddy]

119. Assault with a deadly weapon.

[pipi_k]

47. In some areas people can actually be sued...

for damages done to someone while acting as a "good samaritan".

[Aerows]

73. Exactly

there could have well been a child in the car, not to mention these two women could have been armed. This wasn't a "good samaritan" this was taking the law into his own hands.

[Aerows]

74. Woops, dupe n/t

[dana_b]

90. exactly what I was thinking

"stuff" is just not worth possibly hurting someone over. I did watch the video and they could have easily hurt a pedestrian walking in the parking lot too.

[lpbk2713]

44. Protect the assets of the world's wealthiest family?

ROFLMAO :rofl:


Would they even give me the time of day?

I prefer to live in the real world thanks.

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[lpbk2713]

71. Fred you must be fairly dense.

This has got to be the dumbest response I have seen in quite some time.
Can you possibly be thinking Sam Walton's heirs got to be multi-Billionaires by saving their lunch money?
WTF difference does it make if the company is public or private. The Walton family is still filthy rich.
Please make an effort to keep up Fred. Either that or stop the substance abuse.

[SoCalNative]

46. Hell no!

If they're stealing from Walmart then more power to them.

[eShirl]

50. If Walmart is too cheap to hire sufficient security people, that's their problem.

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[Demonaut]

51. no, how can you possibly say that no one could be seriously injured

using a car as a weapon, he's lucky that no reports have surfaced on the occupants condition...I'll bet he'll be seeing a lawsuit in the not so distant future
did the woman have a license plate on the car? His insurance company will have a say as well I'm sure

[ChandlerJr]

53. I wouldn't damage my car to block a Mom and Pop store shoplifter

either.

What are you nutz?

Way above my pay grade, to many crazy people out there. I once had some fool jump out of his car and take a baseball bat to mine because he claimed I had taken "his" parking space.

No thanks.

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[Yavapai]

57. NO!

I would stay back and watch if they burnt the damned store down (while I applauded)!

[apocalypsehow]

58. Dog have mercy, but this thread is full of stupid. Congrats on yet another dumbass magnet, OP. n/t.

[Aerows]

59. I'm all for justice

But I wouldn't risk my car, and possibly my life, to detain a shoplifter. You never know if one might pull a gun on you. Wal-Mart can handle their own security as far as I'm concerned.

[HubertHeaver]

61. This would be a good story to follow.

The "good Samaritan" actually put himself in legal jeopardy. Blocking the Mustang's escape route poses no problem. When she rammed him, she compounded her problems. But he crossed the line when he retaliated. My guess is his insurance will fix both cars and the store as he was the major cause of the damage to the vehicles and store.

When it gets thrown over the insurance companies, all emotion is lost. The lawyers or paralegals look only at the incident concerning them. In this case, the "good Samaritan" caused more damage to the Mustang and the store.

[Rochester]

62. Oh hell no

I'd probably cheer him on instead.

[JI7]

63. Wingnut stinking up this thread, i bet he attacked some kid who stole gum

and sees himself as a hero similar to someone who saves a person being attacked.

[Iggo]

65. Put my life on the line for WalMart?

:rofl:

[MerryBlooms]

66. For a shoplifter? No. Assault victim or such, yes. n/t

[Quantess]

67. No, but clearly they pissed him off, so he's just a regular human that way.

A whole shopping cart with stuff you didn't pay for is really egregious behavior. That's above and beyond shoving a brick of cheese under your coat, or something.

[Submariner]

68. Shoplifting Seagull Snatches Chips in Broad Daylight - Would you run over the Seagull?

http://animals.about.com/b/2007/07/20/shoplifting-seagull.htm


Retail Theft: What's the Harm?

Hollinger warns that it isn't just retailers who should be concerned about retail theft. Retail theft impacts everyone. Ultimately it's consumers that are hurt the most in the form of higher prices.

"An average family of four will spend more than $440 this year in higher prices because of inventory theft," Hollinger said. "Thieves also generally target hot selling items, which means those must-have toys on your child's holiday wish list are less likely to be available on the store shelves."

Where Inventory Shrinkage Happens

Source of Inventory Shrinkage % of Loss* $ Lost
Employee Theft 48.5% $15.1 billion
Shoplifting 31.7% $9.7 billion
Administrative Error 15.3% $4.8 billion
Vendor Fraud 5.4% $1.7 billion
Total Inventory Shrinkage $31.3 billion

http://www.jrrobertssecurity.com/security-news/security-crime-news0024.htm

[Quantess]

82. I have always wondered...how do they KNOW employees steal so much more than shoplifters?

I mean, if nobody was caught, then how can anyone know who did it?
If anyone knows the answer to my question, please explain.

And no, the seagull is just clever, and probably attracts a lot of business. I'm going to say it's a win-win situation for the shoplifting seagull, and the shop. But the seagull might get fat!

[Trekologer]

101. Estimated from extrapolating known data

For every one caught, n are not. Same as shoplifting. The ratio varies somewhat from area to area, store to store.

[mdmc]

69. you mean, damage caused as I helped him escape?

[chrisa]

70. Wow. No way!

That's need even a "Good Samaritan." It's a person who's putting others at risk for cheap crap.

[angstlessk]

72. POOR FRED

GONE BUT FORGOTTEN!

[pipi_k]

75. We should honor his passing

with an impromptu playing of "Taps" on our combs and toilet paper...

[angstlessk]

79. I would like a 21 gun salute, but I dare not say where to aim those rifles! n/t

[Iggo]

111. FRED!!!! NOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!

:rofl:

[JVS]

76. No.

[sfpcjock]

77. This is a joke, right?

No way.

8 Waltons. Each one worth $20 billion. Together they cannot spend $1 billion to give their "associates" health care? They buy everything from China. They take out life insurance policies on their employees in case they succeed in working them to death.

No way! My car is much more precious than that.

[Stevenmarc]

78. Well since my car would never be in a walmart parking lot, no.

[Kalidurga]

80. I wouldn't even use someone else's car.

Not even someone's car that I didn't like (the person not the car, maybe if I really hated the car though).

[Raine]

81. No I wouldn't not even if it was at Costco

I'm not putting myself and possibly others at risk to protect "stuff".

[in_cog_ni_to]

86. Hell no, but I might hold the door open for them.

:evilgrin::hippie:

Walmart sucks.

[YellowRubberDuckie]

88. WTF!

I wouldn't have wrinkled my shirt to stop someone from shoplifting at walmart....not that I shop there unless I need Shredded Cheese or tortillas. :shrug:

[fishwax]

89. I once was a victim of such a good samaritan

Fortunately it didn't involve bodily harm, although I can see where this incident with the car could have.

It was after a football game when I was in college. It was a big (and rather unexpected) win and so there were a lot of enthusiastic people milling around the stadium and the campus. I went into a convenience store to get some snacks and whatnot, and they had a huge cardboard cutout of John Elway promoting Coors beer. As a Broncos fan, I thought that might be good to have, so the owner and I negotiated a price and I walked out with it. Some lady saw me leaving, ran across the store after me, and tried to yank it from me just as I got outside. I was like :wtf: but she tried again to tug it away from me, ripping poor John Elway's neck in the process. :grr: Fortunately the guy behind the counter got her attention and she stopped. The good Samaritan didn't apologize to me or anything. :eyes:

Anyway, the situation is not always what it may appear to be.

[dana_b]

91. damn!

She should have paid you what you paid the store owner.

[fishwax]

95. I think so too!

I actually thought about telling her as much (along with telling her a few other choice things), but she'd already worked a number on my mood and I wanted to get back to celebrating -- John's neck wasn't completely ripped off (noticeably torn, but still attached) and I still felt pretty good walking home with John Elway tucked underneath my arm :rofl:

on edit: changed "attacked" to "attached"

[pipi_k]

92. I would be less inclined to think

she was a good samaritan and more inclined to think she was just a jerk who wanted John Elway for herself.


That could have been why she didn't apologize...

[fishwax]

93. she made some "what are you doing" type comments

can't remember specifically what she said, but she made it clear she thought I was a drunken hooligan/looter. :rofl:

This was in Oklahoma, too--had it been in Colorado I'd bet you were correct :hi:

[pipi_k]

97. Oh, I see....

Yeah, Colorado, probably really would be someone trying to rip you off.

So what happened...did you duct tape poor John's neck?

[fishwax]

105. I put some tape on the back and he held up for several years

His head (fortunately) wasn't ripped all the way off, just noticeably torn--but I was able to cover it up pretty well. Alas, a few years later it had some water damage after our garage flooded after a horrendous rainstorm, and so I had to bid him farewell. But it was fun while it lasted--I had a nice conversation piece for a few years and something to drag out on gamedays--plus a good story to tell every time I showed ol' John to someone new. :)

[pipi_k]

118. What a story....

"The night John Elway almost had his head ripped off"...

:7

[yellowcanine]

117. That woman probably makes it her business to "police" handicapped parking also.

This kind of self righteous nanny behavior is a character trait and comes out in many different ways.
I think it is genetic - their ancestors were running around looking in people's windows to see who was breaking the sabbath etc.

[Modern_Matthew]

94. No. And I work there. They can take what they want, if they don't annoy me in the process. nt

[Lucian]

114. I quit Walmart last week and I thought the same exact thing.

Walmart treats their employees like shit so I didn't care if someone stole from there and I saw it.

I took a CBL on theft and shrinkage a few weeks ago and they basically wanted us to be snitches at work if we saw anyone steal. My coworkers stole from there all the time and I wasn't going to snitch on them.

[TheKentuckian]

96. I'm somewhere between "Wally World better hit those bootstraps" and

offended that someone would do such a thing as block a shoplifter from Walmart.

I find it bordering on absurd, the mom and pop is one thing, Walmart is another. I don't shoplift but I definitely look the other way on this shit. I don't give a damn if someone gets a few of their nickles back from Potter.

[Warren Stupidity]

99. no

[Fearless]

100. Nope.

[NYC Liberal]

102. Sorry, but you would have to be an idiot to try to stop a shoplifter in ANY store.

That's what insurance is for.

It's not your property anyway; it's not even the employees' property. Why would anyone be so stupid? How is that being a "good samaritan"?

[Incitatus]

104. I won't work at that shithole store for pay. There's no way in hell I'm helping them for free. nt

[Bill McBlueState]

106. Could we buy some biblical literacy for this country?

Attacking a stranger is kind of the opposite of the Good Samaritan story.

[Iggo]

112. Ah.

Thank you!

:fistbump:

[Sen. Walter Sobchak]

108. That is fucking insane,

I was a supply chain manager for a major retailer and after a security guard was nearly beaten to death after confronting a meth addict in the parking lot the policy was pretty much to stand back and watch. The company settled out of court with the security guard for millions. Ultimately we came to confront known shoplifters as they entered the store and tell them to fuck-off. Unfortunately thieves began to commute from as far away as Arizona to rip us off knowing we were soft.

Nobody who works for the store is going to make that effort, why they fuck would you? And I guarantee Wal-Mart won't be paying for repairs!

[ZombieHorde]

115. I literally told a guy to rob Wal-Mart today.

He was begging for money by Wal-Mart, and I gave him some. He then told me he's been looking for work, but couldn't find any. He then said he could either beg or rob Wal-Mart. I told him the two activities were not mutually exclusive, and I thought he should rob Wal-Mart. He laughed and thanked me for the money.

[LeftyMom]

116. Fuck no. When I did retail work we were told not to get physical with shoplifters,

why would I do more for free than a paid employee is expected to do?

[Javaman]

121. Nope. Probably give him or her a ride. but then again...

I don't shop at my local china-mart, it's bad for my blood pressure.