Hugo Chavez Doubles Down on Dictatorship....

[brooklynite]

from the Al-Jazeera liveblog:

Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez said on Tuesday he will only recognize a Libyan government led by his friend and ally Muammar Gaddafi and accused the United States of inciting the country's civil war.

Chavez accused Western powers of riding roughshod over international laws by supporting opposition fighters in their revolt against Gaddafi.

"This is kicking, spitting ... on the most basic elements of international law," he said. "Where are the international rights? This is like the caveman era."

Venezuela's socialist leader spoke after fighters overran Gaddafi's compound in Tripoli in what appeared to be the end of his 42-year rule.

Of course, maybe he's just trying to avoid a very annoying house guest who never leaves...

[Drale]

1. Chavez showing his true colors once again

I wonder if the people here who love him will finally see the light?

[socialshockwave]

2. I think the Venezuelan people need to have a little revolution of their own.

Someone who tramples on human rights in the name of "socialism"(really more like a nepotistic democracy) should be shown the door.

To the Hague.

[Larkspur]

3. They did have one and they voted IN Hugo Chavez

It's the spoiled Inheritance babies of Venezuela that despise Hugo Chavez and want to keep the masses in poverty.

[socialshockwave]

5. What's better?

Economic prosperity and the demise of human rights, or the reverse?

Venezuela is damned if they do, damned if they don't. Chavez seems content to trample on people's liberties.

[digitaln3rd]

15. Well, if there's one person that knows about keeping the masses in poverty...

It's Fuhrer Chavez.

[EFerrari]

16. Embarrassing. Chavez has cut poverty in half in Venezuela

and extreme poverty by 75%.

[digitaln3rd]

20. What's with DU supporting dictators?

n/t

[EFerrari]

21. What's with posters ignorantly calling the democratically elected president

of Venezuela a dictator just like the freepers do?

[digitaln3rd]

27. Yes, Chavez is SOOO good.

The same guy that hangs out with people like Castro, Ahmadinejad, and Ghaddafi?

It's easy to be elected with no competition.. you know, the whole state run television thing eliminating dissent.

[EFerrari]

30. Media in VZ is largely owned by the opposition.

And Venezuela's elections are cleaner than yours in addition to being monitored by international observers.

I can keep going as long as you can. :)

[fascisthunter]

71. hangs out.... jesus christ you debate dishonestly

why do you hate America? See, it's really easy...

[ClarkUSA]

22. Dictators are so cool, right?

[EFerrari]

25. I've posted them like a hundred times and DU has a search engine. n/t

[EFerrari]

29. Nice edit you have there. To respond to your original question about poverty

CEPR released this in 2009. It's not current but it's good enough.



http://www.cepr.net/index.php/press-releases/press-releases/report-examines-economy-and-social-indicators-during-the-chavez-decade-in-venezuela/

[ClarkUSA]

41. What did St. Hugo about Iran's brutal crackdown of its own citizens?

What has St. Hugo said about St. Gaddafi The Intrepid's threat to commit genocide against the rebels aka. exterminate all the "greasy rats"?

[EFerrari]

48. As I said, Chavez always sides with sovereignty.

But of course, don't see you asking about the Libyan "rebels" promise to wipe out "black skin" in Libya and leaving racist graffiti everywhere they go?

[ClarkUSA]

50. Then he should side with whatever President Obama does, up yo and including genocide, right?

[EFerrari]

55. The best data we have, from Human Rights Watch, shows

no indiscriminate killing with women being only 3% of the wounded in Misurata.

So dragging in genocide is just more jaw flapping. Gee, what a surprise.

[ClarkUSA]

58. "EU prepares for worst after Gaddafi 'genocide' threats" (February 23, 2011)

http://www.euractiv.com/en/global-europe/eu-prepares-worst-gaddafi-genocide-threats-news-502424

Your jaw is the one that's flapping.

[Selatius]

96. Well, the simple fact is mass genocide didn't happen. It's backed up by Human Rights Watch.

Dick move on Gaddhafi's part to put out coded words to encourage genocide, and I disagree with Chavez' with respect to Gaddhafi being ousted, but let's not make Gaddhafi's atrocities any worse than the truth bears out.

[ClarkUSA]

100. It didn't happen, thanks to President Obama's UN-mandated intervention which many attacked him for

BTW, I never said genocide happened. Let's not make up a strawman argument. But Gaddafi is a genocidal dictator in intent, nonetheless. I have no doubt as to what would have happened had NATO not stepped in.

[Selatius]

103. It was an Allied effort, let's not make this an egocentric thing.

France and Great Britain were agitating for intervention more than the US at the beginning until the US finally decided to get involved. You have as much to thank towards David Cameron and Nicholas Sarkozy.

[ClarkUSA]

108. I never said it wasn't. That's your interpretation. I stated a fact.

BTW, Obama made his first statement supporting the rebels and opposing Gaddafi's actions on February 22, five days before the TNC was even formed, and only 7 days after the protests began. The Obama administration also co-wrote and sponsored the UN resolution supporting the no-fly zone, and U.S. missiles and bombs were raining down on Libya within hours of the commencement of NATO hostilities.

France issued its first declarations in support of the rebels on February 22. Britain and Italy declared their support only a day earlier, on February 21st.

The U.S. didn't drag its heels on anything.

[Selatius]

112. So you agree it was an Allied effort? OK then. nt

[sabrina 1]

42. No, they're not cool. So why does the US consistently support them

while opposing democratically elected leaders in South America and the ME over the past six decades or more? Please explain, eg, why this country still supports some of the most brutal dictators in the world today and why they chose to do so for so long around the world?

[ClarkUSA]

61. "consistently"? Um, you're wrong. WTF do you think we're doing in Libya?

[sabrina 1]

65. I thought we weren't in Libya??

But since you ask and at least admit that it was a lie to say we weren't, most of us not blinded by propaganda knew we were there, we are there for the same reasons we are in Iraq and Afghanistan. Did you have to ask? Oil and Water and strategic placement of a Western friendly government in a region that just got rid of two of our closest Dictator allies, Egypt and Tunisia, speaking of our Dictator friends.

Btw, did you support the removal of Saddam Hussein by George Bush? That was to liberate the Iraqi people from another Brutal Dictator and former US ally (they are always former US allies). Just wondering what the difference might be as I am so confused about the shifting positions of the so-called American 'left' on these issues which seem to depend on which party is in power. Of course US policies never change, no matter who is in power. Still, I'm wondering if you supported the liberation of the Iraqi people which was only going to take about four months?

[ClarkUSA]

69. Quote? That's a false statement. You're making a strawman argument. So predictable.

:boring:

[sabrina 1]

81. What is a false statement?

And you didn't answer the question I asked, but that's okay. Things are pretty confusing for a lot of people since Democrats continued the policies they used to be so against.

[ClarkUSA]

84. Your entire reply is a strawman argument based on false statements with no proof.

[sabrina 1]

93. So did you support Bush's liberation of the Iraqi people from

another of our former allies, brutal dictator, Saddam Hussein? This is no strawman. You said we are in Libya. I know that, although as I pointed out, up to now, most supporters of this latest foreign adventure, have denied we are there. We are being told the exact same stories Bush told us, regarding 'humanitarian' missions etc. etc.

So, I am very curious to know if people are being consistent. I oppose the US changing regimes in Arab/African/ME countries. I support those people doing it themselves, as in Egypt and Tunisia.

I have not changed my principles. So, I am merely being consistent and stopped supporting the Libyan 'uprising' as soon as it became clear that it was a Western backed mission to change regimes. I felt the same way about Iraq.

So, why can you not answer the question? Maybe you are consistent, maybe you did support Bush in his supposed attempt to help the Iraqi people and believed him when he said it had 'nothing to do with oil'.

[ClarkUSA]

105. That's Strawman Argument #2.

:boring:

[sabrina 1]

121. Well, since you can't answer a simple question,

I will have give you the benefit of the doubt and assume that you are consistent, and did support the 'liberation of the Iraqi people'.

[ClarkUSA]

125. All you have are false statements. That's Strawman Argument #3.

[sabrina 1]

135. All you had to do was answer the question.

If you support the Lybian invasion, you must have supported the Iraq invasion. I came to my own conclusion since you would not answer I guess.

[ClarkUSA]

136. Your "question" = strawman fallacy || As a rule, I don't enable disingenuous semantic ploys.

[bahrbearian]

66. Up till a year ago we were selling arms to Libya and supporting Qaddafi

[ClarkUSA]

73. What's happening now? President Obama has changed all that by standing against genocide.

Proof: http://www.euractiv.com/en/global-europe/eu-prepares-worst-gaddafi-genocide-threats-news-502424

[bahrbearian]

90. If he wanted to stop Genocide he show be looking a Darfur or Somalia

[ClarkUSA]

94. Moving the goalpost? How predictable.

[bahrbearian]

95. Straw horse, how predictable. You said we were stopping Genocide

[ClarkUSA]

106. lol President Obama stood against St. Hugo's buddy genocidal threats via a UN mandated intervention.

[bahrbearian]

113. And Darfur?

[ClarkUSA]

116. Red herring?

[bahrbearian]

122. Straw man

[ClarkUSA]

126. Yawn.

:boring:

[joshcryer]

129. That's false, we never made a deal with him after relations normalized.

There were efforts to make a deal, mind you, but they never materialized (they were close to materializing, I should say).

[bahrbearian]

133. So its not from the lack of trying to sell weapon. Mcain- Ghram

[fascisthunter]

85. The US Propped that Nut Up Until he became a problem for them

just as the US propped up Saddam Hussein... I somehow doubt you didn't know that, but it doesn't help you in this debate.

[ClarkUSA]

97. But not "consistently" as President Obama has broken that pattern. Just ask Libya's rebels.

[fascisthunter]

74. still pretending to know what you are talking about

how are those criminal investigations going on Wall Street? Exactly... take a seat.

[TheWraith]

98. And that makes suppression of free speech, freedom of the press, and human rights A-OK then.

:sarcasm:

[sabrina 1]

37. what utter Fox news nonsenes. Chavez has cut poverty in Venezuela

in half. It is BECAUSE of his focus on the poor that the Global Capitalists hate him.

So sad to see the former 'left' in the US fall for what used to be rightwing propaganda against Venezuela and how insulting to the Venezuelan people who have elected their choice of leader for the past ten years.

Typical Western arrogance. We know best what is good for those brown people everywhere. Try doing some real research and avoid the propaganda, paid for by the west, when you do.

[bahrbearian]

67. Easy to see where you get your talking points.

[fascisthunter]

75. Right Wing Propaganda

know-nothings regurgitating propaganda by a bunch of fascists who claim to speak for all republicans.

[joshcryer]

132. Chavez reduced poverty, slower than Chile and Brazil, but he reduced poverty...

...and should get credit for it.

Despite that oil prices tripled during his reign.

[bvar22]

64. I'm sure we have plenty of Freedom Bombs ...

...to help the Oil Corporations, World Banks, and the IMF take Venezuela back from the Venezuelans.

Chavez was elected and re-elected by popular majorities in open, transparent elections that were verified by International observers.
We don't have THAT in the good old USA.

Venezuela belongs to the Venezuelans,
and the Venezuelans are MUCH better off NOW than they were before Chavez.
I KNOW.
I lived & worked in Venezuela Pre-Chavez.


VIVA Democracy!
I pray we get some here soon.



Who will STAND and FIGHT for THIS American Majority?


You will know them by their WORKS,
not by their excuses.

Solidarity!
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[bahrbearian]

70. LIke our last administration

[EFerrari]

9. Chavez is a consistent supporter of international law. This is not new. n/t

[ClarkUSA]

19. More like he's a consistent suck-up to brutal totalitarian dictators in Libya and Iran.

Of course, some people think Gaddafi is "intrepid" and doesn't condemn him for being a madman for ordering the genocide of Libyan rebel protesters.

[EFerrari]

24. Chavez always says the same thing with respect to our military adventures.

He comes down on the side of sovereignty and if you were a Latin American leader (God forbid) you would, too.

[ClarkUSA]

28. What did St. Hugo about Iran's brutal crackdown of its own citizens?

[EFerrari]

31. See above. n/t

[ClarkUSA]

46. See what? Your empty rhetoric?

[EFerrari]

51. You can go look at all of his statements and you'll see that I'm right.

Or you can attempt to bully me and waste your time because I'm not impressed in the least with your contentless bs.

[ClarkUSA]

59. You can't offer up a single condemnation of St. Gaddafi's genocidal threats by St. Hugo, can you?

[Dreamer Tatum]

32. "Si los manifestantes no estaban tan cerca de la policía, no habrían sido asesinados"

Or something like that.

[EFerrari]

33. So, shall we just make shit up about Hugo Chavez?

It's a lot easier than actually knowing anything.

LOL

[Dreamer Tatum]

34. What a coincidence - I think of asking you that every single day. nt

[EFerrari]

38. It's a DU tradition.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=2378097&mesg_id=2378097

[sabrina 1]

45. But you didn't answer the question, I notice.

[Dreamer Tatum]

47. It's called SATIRE. Take off your Bono-circa-1987 mask and you'll see it. nt

[EFerrari]

49. Snark is not satire, it's just snark. n/t

[Dreamer Tatum]

52. If I made a joke about Bachmann blowing a corn dog, it'd be a scream.

I'm sorry I don't like your matinee idol Hugo. I'm not the only one, though.

[EFerrari]

56. To be fair, I hated those, too.

lol

:)

And I don't have idols, at any time of the day. It's just stupid to ignore that on the legal points, he's right.

[socialshockwave]

63. I wonder what Saint Hugo of Chavez will be like

when North Korea bursts onto the scene with more evidence of their failure.

"KIM JONG IL IS MY BEST FRIEND AND I LOVE HIM! SCREW HUMAN RIGHTS! OYA CHAVEZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ"

[joshcryer]

130. Hahaha, coup attemptor complaining about sovereignty. Fact, R2P is legal.

R2P means sovereignty is not a guarantee.

I hope all of Africa gets its mess cleaned up with Libya as an example. The African dictators must go.

[LeftinOH]

4. Maybe he could send some of his own troops there to help out

Gaddafi? I'm sure they would be welcomed as liberators. :sarcasm:

[Dreamer Tatum]

6. Maybe he should nationalize Libya. nt

[ceile]

7. oy.

He needs to keep his mouth shut. Is he off his meds or is he just that plain crazy? I support a lot of what he's done, but sometimes you just need to know when to shut up.

[EFerrari]

12. Actually, ceile, we need more leaders to speak up when private interests

decide to take control of popular revolts using international bodies, not fewer of them.

[ceile]

13. Totally agree with you.

But Chavez I think does it only for shock value 75% of the time.

[EFerrari]

14. Maybe. He's a blunt man and not from the upper class

so he tends not to filter his speech in the way we are used to from our elite political class.

[ceile]

134. Don't make this about "class"

or his upbringing. It has to do with him purposely pissing people off without saying anything of substance. He's done a lot of good for his people, but there is a time when an inflammatory statement is just that.

[EFerrari]

8. Yeah, forget NATO violating their UN mandate, forget Obama

giving Congress the finger, Chavez LOVES dictators is the takeaway.

LOL

[Monk06]

10. Hate to say it but Chavez is right. The US used Nato for a cover in another oil war.

Chavez probably thinks, quite rationally, that Venezuela will
be next. Start and uprising, get Chavez to shoot a few people
and Bob's your uncle. That seems to be the standard plan for
removing non Muslim regimes the US doesn't like. The did it
in Iran in 1952 and they have been doing it ever since.

Chile, Panama, and the list goes on. Cuba was a failure which
has goaded the right wingers ever since.

I think there will be a coup in Venezuela but after Chavez and
Obama are gone.

[sabrina 1]

60. He is right. And many other leaders around the world probably

agree with him, but don't have the courage to speak out. Funny how the 'left' used to cheer him on when he went after Bush though.

What happened to America's anti-war, anti-Imerial assaults on other nations? Not so long ago I remember the 'left' being outraged over the Bush attempted Coup in Venezuela. Today, I think the Left would cheer it on.

Can people lose their perspective, throw away their principles that easily simply because of loyalty to a single Political Party?

Or was it all politics and the support for South American countries independence movements not really about that at all, but just hatred for Bush?

[Warren Stupidity]

137. But many here refuse to see what is right in front of their eyes

The carve up of Libyan resources is already being openly discussed. It took about one week for the 'mission' to 'creep' from Defense Against Genocide to something else entirely. Over and over and over again the same shit, and people just eat it up.

[deaniac21]

11. I can smell the sulfur....

[Octafish]

23. You read my mind.

Not many stood up to the unelected little turd from Crawford. To this day, no one in Washington.

[COLGATE4]

17. Hugo still struggling to be relevant.

[EFerrari]

26. Chavez didn't post that material. Try again. n/t

[COLGATE4]

102. He didn't post it - he said it.

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

18. WGAS?

The world will still revolve, contrary to whomever Tin Pot Chavez decides to recognize.

[EFerrari]

35. Yeah, f#ck international law, we're 'Muricans.

:)

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

39. "Chavez" is your Bat Signal, isn't it?

;)

[EFerrari]

43. No. It's just embarrassing to read this stuff on DU.

:)

[bluestate10]

36. How else would you expect a thug to act? nt

[EFerrari]

40. Embarrassing again.

During the student protests of 2006-7, last time there were major ones, the student leaders were invited to speak to the legislature.

You people need to stop watching Fox.

lol

[bahrbearian]

79. I expect a thug to act more like we do , Invade, bomb, assassinate,and steal

[loudsue]

44. Did Hugo Chavez really say this? Has this been his position all along?

That's creepy, if true. George Bush had the same philosophy about Gaddafi.

[EFerrari]

53. George Bush would never object to the US destabilizing another nation

so no, it's not the same.

[ClarkUSA]

54. Hero worshippers of St. Hugo don't seem to mind if he coddles genocidal maniacs in Libya and Iran?

But they evidently want President Obama impeached for following a UN mandate with NATO to protect the rebels St. Gaddafi wanted to exterminate like "greasy rats".

[EFerrari]

57. Can you be more disgusting and off topic at the same time?

:)

[ClarkUSA]

62. What I said is spot-on & apropos re: St. Hugo's support of a brutal genocidal dictator...

... and the hypocrisy of his adoring fans with regards to President Obama's humanitarian UN-mandated intervention.

[smiley_glad_hands]

68. Today's DU: Don't question my love for Chavez nor my hate for Obama.....eom

[fascisthunter]

78. it's the other way around... you are projecting

and pretending those arguing about Chavez are honest. They aren't, never have been and caught endlessly twisting any and all info coming out of Venezuela. But make sure you show some support for the anti-chavez brigade, because they are in the minority. And the same folks who support neo-con and neo-liberal policies... seems to me the hatred for the man is purely ideological but making up shit is so much easier...

[smiley_glad_hands]

89. If you say so......eom

[fascisthunter]

91. ha ha

[killbotfactory]

72. He's defending a gov't that he was allied with

Just like the US would object to Iranian backed rebels overthrowing the Saudi's or some other similar scenario. Gaddafi gave a lot of aid to South American countries in general, and none of them were too pleased with seeing this revolution occur.

IMO anyone who opposes the Libyan rebels as patsies of US imperialism because they asked for and received NATO help are deaf fucking wrong, but it's nothing too remarkable when it comes to world affairs.

[ClarkUSA]

76. Chavez/Hamsher 2012!!! The Dream Ticket Primary Challenge to Pres. Obama!!

:sarcasm:

:rofl:

[bvar22]

77. What we KNOW about Gaddafi:

Here are some of the things we KNOW about Gaddafi:

*He WAS a Monomaniacal Dictator

*He was entertained by the White House less than 3 years ago,
and given the Red Carpet Treatment of a visiting Foreign Dignitary.

*In 2008, Gaddafi demanded and received a Bigger Cut of the Oil Profits from the Foreign Oil Corporations.
This amounted to $5.4 BILLION Dollars

*In 2009, Gaddafi announced that Libya was studying plans for Nationalizing ALL the oil in the region.

*He was a committed pan-African who believed that the resources of the African Continent
should be used FOR the development of Africa.
Africa for Africans

*He refused "loans" from the IMF for Libya,
and undercut the IMF when they attempted to
to provide "loans" based on "Structural Adjustments" (Privatization of Resources) for other African nations.

*Libya used Corporate Profits from the Oil Indusrty for Social Programs,
including financing the Great Man Made River Project.

*Libya also used this money for investment and aid to other Sub-Saharan countries.

http://www.infowars.com/in-2009-gaddafi-proposed-nationalizing-libyas-oil/

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/MD27Ak01.html

http://english.pravda.ru/hotspots/crimes/25-03-2011/117336-reason_for_war_oil-0/


With the exception of the 1st statement, I have seen very little of the above information presented or discussed by our Media. The Bias was even stronger than during the run up to the Invasion of Iraq.

So the questions remain,
Why Libya?
WHY Now?
Why not other countries?
The answers may be found in the above.

Certainly, anyone familiar with the Shock Doctrine by Naomi Klein would have questions about the US involvement in Libya.

Certainly, anyone familiar with the history of US Military Involvement in the Middle East (or anywhere else) over the last 50 years would have questions about the US involvement in Libya.

I see Chavez has the same questions.

What we KNOW about Chavez:
He was elected and re-elected in open, fair, transparent elections which were monitored by International Agencies,
and continues to enjoy the popular support of the majority of Venezuelans.
Who the Venezuelans elect as their president is none of our business.

"The worst enemy of humanity is U.S. capitalism. That is what provokes uprisings like our own, a rebellion against a system, against a neoliberal model, which is the representation of a savage capitalism. If the entire world doesn't acknowledge this reality, that nation states are not providing even minimally for health, education and nourishment, then each day the most fundamental human rights are being violated."
----Bolivian Reform President Evo Morales

FDR said much the same thing in 1944 with his Economic Bill of Rights.
Bolivian President Evo Morales sounds more like FDR than anyone in the Democratic Party Leadership.




VIVA Democracy!
I pray we get some here soon.


You will know them by their WORKS,
not by their excuses.

Solidarity!
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If you're not FOR the New WAR in Libya,
you're WITH The Communists AlQaeda The Terrorists Saddam Qaddafi!!!

[fascisthunter]

80. thanks for the info

it blows the posers right out of the thread... they'll ignore this info, and not try to debate it. That's how you know they have an agenda. Can you say anti-democratic socialism?

[bvar22]

115. You're Welcome.

And THAT is what I posted...INFORMATION.
Information that was glaringly absent from the Media,
or even absent from supposed Left Leaning Discussion Boards.

I welcome anyone to contradict this "information".
Of course, you WILL have to show your work.


Hey! If they're called "The Rebels",
they MUST be the Good Guys!
Didn't you see Star Wars, dude?


Solidarity!
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[ClarkUSA]

83. We know St. Hugo hearts brutal totalitarian dictators: Iran's St. Ahmedinejad + Libya's St. Gaddafi

[fascisthunter]

87. you ignored the post... proof you have an agenda

and it has nothing to do with facts. You are a fraud.

[ClarkUSA]

92. I ignored a red herring rant... proof that I have a functioning neocortex.

[bahrbearian]

99. Moving the goalpost? How predictable

[ClarkUSA]

101. Nonsensical retort? How amusing.

[bahrbearian]

110. Figures you'd use a Red Herring

[ClarkUSA]

114. You haven't a clue as to the definition of semantic terminology, do you?

:rofl:

[bahrbearian]

117. I'm just following your lead.

[ClarkUSA]

119. Ergo the difference between leader and follower.

[bahrbearian]

123. You haven't a clue as to the definition of semantic terminology, do you?

[ClarkUSA]

124. Yawn.

:boring:

[bvar22]

104. Aw, ClarkUSA,

...and YOU were the same guy who accused another poster in this thread of using "Empty Rhetoric".

Deliciously Ironic


You will know them by their WORKS,
not by their excuses.

Solidarity!
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[ClarkUSA]

120. See Reply 118. socialshockwave pulls the veil on St. Hugo's Potemkin Village governing style.

Chavez shows a blatant disregard for human rights. He routinely beats up people who disagree with him.

He's fostering a cult of personality that may reach Kim-Il Sung levels if it keeps growing.

He shoves the courts full of his loyalists so they can pocket from his patronage.

Venezuela is one of the worst countries to do business in right now. Like it or not, you need to have a PRIVATE SECTOR to have a good economy.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=439&topic_id=1800131&mesg_id=1801564

St. Hugo's hero worshippers may view him as the pinnacle of popular democracy but I'd bet if any of them attacked St. Hugo the same way they attack President Obama, they'd all learn differently very quickly.

[bvar22]

128. LOL. You have become a parody of... YOURSELF.

The link you used to support your claim IS an unsupported slur posted in this thread.

THAT won't help your credibility.
You would get a Big Red "FAIL" for that in any classroom,
and an ROFL FAIL on any legitimate discussion board.

[ClarkUSA]

131. That's ironic coming from you.

Gee, hope St. Hugo's chemo takes.

With all that wealth and time, St. Hugo still can't create a single example of a functioning national health system that works well enough for him to personally use it. I feel sorry for cancer-ridden Venezuelans who can't jet over to Cuban hospitals as VIP guests of the Castro Bros.

Shame on him.

[devilgrrl]

82. Hugo Chavez is the epitomy of EVIL - I can barely sleep without one eye open.

[fascisthunter]

86. lol...I hear he eats babies, especially US ones

[Dreamer Tatum]

88. No, he's the epitomy (sic) of buffoonery.

Which is why I skewer him so.

[bvar22]

107. I'm sure Chavez doesn't really care WHAT you think.

He enjoys the popular support of the Venezuelans,
and wide popular support across the emerging democracies of Latin America.
The only countries that still oppose him are the few Right Wing, Death Squad, Puppet Governments like Colombia,
the 3rd largest recipient of US Foreign Aid.

But take heart.
I'm sure Chavez is on the list for some Freedom Bombs.
You don't say "NO" to the IMF and Global Oil Corporations without some consequences.
(SEE: Libya)

The populist reforms sweeping across Latin American give me hope for The World.

VIVA Democracy

[Dreamer Tatum]

109. Oh horseshit. You fanboys have had St Hugo getting bombed for years now.

Tin pot dictator of a third world country sitting on huge mineral reserves and he STILL can't get their shit together.

[ClarkUSA]

111. St. Hugo enjoys the mutual support of brutal totalitarian dictators in Iran & Libya, so he's golden!

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[bvar22]

127. I will agree with only one of your points.

"Venezuela is one of the worst countries <insert> for the IMF, Global Banks, Foreign Owned Corporations, and Global Resource Extraction Corporations <end> to do business in right now."

I'll stand with Bolivian President Evo Morales and Latin American Chavez Ally:

"The worst enemy of humanity is U.S. capitalism. That is what provokes uprisings like our own, a rebellion against a system, against a neoliberal model, which is the representation of a savage capitalism. If the entire world doesn't acknowledge this reality, that nation states are not providing even minimally for health, education and nourishment, then each day the most fundamental human rights are being violated."
----Bolivian Reform President Evo Morales

FDR said much the same thing in 1944 with his Economic Bill of Rights.
Bolivian President Evo Morales sounds more like FDR than anyone in the current Democratic Party Leadership.


The People of Venezuela are MUCH better off with Chavez.
I KNOW.
I lived & worked in Venezuela before Chavez.
It is a beautiful, RICH country,
and that wealth belongs to ALL the Venezuelans,
NOT to a handful of absentee landlords.

But I can understand WHY you hate him.
Chavez used a percentage of the Oil Profits to:

*Feed the Hungry

*Heal the Sick

*House the Homeless

*Educate the Ignorant

*Give "hope" to the hopeless

*Empower the disenfranchised...
...not just in Venezuela, but across South America.
We can't let something like THAT spread!

....and THAT deserves HATE!
Let Fall the FREEDOM BOMBS!
Its the only Humanitarian thing for us to do.