Anybody see these guys on McNeil Lehrer tonight? "Americans Elect" trying to derail us in 2012?

[mahina]

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/politics/july-dec11/thirdparty_08-22.html

They were deeply and completely creepy. Did not answer the questions asked of them about why they have not disclosed funders, and how we could be sure their process was clean.

I bet we scratch the surface and this is a Koch bros. operation.

Found these links here before posting:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x1731331

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x517947

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x1621015

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x1583802

[Firebrand Gary]

1. This whole thing has me pretty freaked out.

It deeply disturbing as to who is behind this.

[gateley]

2. Do you know who is behind it, or are you saying it's bound

to be deeply disturbing when you/we find out? (I haven't read the links yet.)

[mahina]

3. I watched the interview, read the links, and am creeped out big time.

May or may not creep you out but if you watch that interview and your spidey senses don't tingle, I will eat my shoes.

[gateley]

5. SO???? Who is behind it? I won't be able to watch them

until tomorrow, and I won't sleep tonight until you tell me! :spank: :7

[mahina]

6. I guess you aren't sleeping tonight then

because we need your anonymous dudes to hack these guys to find out. They are not disclosing, and that alone is way off.

[mahina]

4. Bet you a dollar.

And we already know their target audience- our disaffecteds and nonvoters, people too lazy or uninvolved to actually be part of a political party.

[lonestarnot]

7. No wish I had damn it!

[mahina]

8. You can listen on the link

but you miss the frikken shifty as hell nonverbals from these guys.

I'd be interested to know if they seem as off in audio as they did with the visuals too.

[lonestarnot]

11. Thanks Mahina.

[mahina]

13. My joy brother.

Sister?

[Owlet]

9. An On-line nominating process?

Oh, that'll be secure. :sarcasm:

[OHdem10]

10. I watched it also. May I say the following as a caveat before passing

my opinion. Since they have been so secretive, this
makes them automatically suspect.

It sounds like a bunch of '"elites" have quietly observed
two ineffective parties and have said 'OMG, we do not have
parties who can lead this country in such troubled times.
The Republicans have been taken over by what appears to be
a bunch of crazies, who do not understand Government and
worse yet want to get rid of government, and a completely
impotent Democratic Party,so divided within itself that
they cut their own President off at the knees. Conservadems
rule and can hardly be distingished from the Republicans.
Anything the Republicans say the Conservadems say "Me TOO".

Making these observations they have decided that a better
way might be for their group or some group put out a reasonable
Candidate for President who in their opinion might be able
to get something done to turn this country aound.

There is a serious problem with their thinking. Our Presidancy
is not a monarch. The Congress(House and Senate) have power
and they can render any President impotent. If they think
the Media can pull the wool over the country's eyes as with
Ronald Reagan, they are completely out of touch with reality.
The New Technologies (internet, Twitter etc) have changed
America forever. Now this little old lady sitting in Ohio
knows when they spike stories and can quickly decipher
where they are trying to go with the stories they do select.

Just running a Presidential Candidate as alternative to
what we have from the two Parties is not enough. He/She
must have a following of supporters. No one can put a
Candidate --however attractive--and say America this is
what we think is good for you.

Perhaps this group might do better by standing up in Public
and calling out both Parties for their failures. Come out
of the shawows and make your voices heared. This way you
might get real followers.

[lindysalsagal]

12. Colbert had an Iraq vet on pitching this, and It looked like he was approving

of them. anyone know anything?

[mahina]

14. Who pays, who profits, who decides?

Who would benefit most from sucking away the population most likely to engage online rather than in real life? I'm guessing this was designed to pull young people away from the Democrats.

We shall see, but I'd fight this down to the wire in every state. They are already on the ballot in California??? Sweet Jesus.

[Motown_Johnny]

15. I saw some of it sunday on PBS

We need to nominate Sarah Palin to split the (R)s or we may be in trouble

[Vattel]

16. I don't know about this group

but the concept of derailing the two party system is exciting.

[scheming daemons]

17. The goal of this group is to pull young people away from the Democratic party

They know that the Demographics of the youth are going to bury the Republicans in the next couple decades, and there only hope is to split them up between Democrats and a "third party" candidate.


This is a subversive RIGHT-WING effort. They know they can't appeal to young people with the GOP in its current state of right-wing nutbaggery, so they want to spin them off from the Democrats to give the GOP a fighting chance.


Similar to how right-wing groups funded Ralph Nader's run in 2004... to try to pull some votes from Kerry.