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tpsbmam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-11 08:37 PM
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Will your hair stand on end? Mine did after reading Michael Hudson's articles on the coming serfdom
I've spent part of the afternoon reading economist Michael Hudson's articles and my hair is definitely standing on end!

I urge you to go to the various links and read the entire articles and more of his at his website.

So let me start with snippets of the first article I read, which led me to reading more:

EU: Politics Financialized, Economies Privatized


At issue from Europe’s vantage point – at least that of its bankers – is a broad principle: Governments should run their economies on behalf of banks and bondholders. They should bail out at least the senior creditors of banks that fail (that is, the big institutional investors and gamblers) and pay these debts and public debts by selling off enterprises, shifting the tax burden onto labor. To balance their budgets they are to cut back spending programs, lower public employment and wages, and charge more for public services, from medical care to education.

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Financial power is to achieve what military conquest had done in times past. Pretending to make subject economies more “competitive,” the aim is more short-run: to squeeze out enough payments so that bondholders (and indeed, voters) will not be obliged to confront the reality that many debts are unpayable except at the price of making the economy too debt-ridden, too regressively tax-ridden and too burdened with rising privatized infrastructure charges to be competitive. Spending cutbacks and a regressive tax shift dry up capital investment and productivity in the long run. Such economies are run like companies taken over by debt-leveraged raiders on credit, who downsize and outsource their labor force so as to squeeze out enough revenue to pay their own creditors – who take what they can and run. The tactic attack of this financial attack is no longer overt military force as in days of yore, but something less costly because its victims submit more voluntarily.

But the intended victims of predatory finance are fighting back. And instead of the attacker losing their armies and manpower, it is their balance sheets that are threatened – and hence their own webs of solvency. When Greek labor unions (especially in the public enterprises being privatized), the ruling Socialist Party and leading minority parties rejected such sacrifices, Eurozone officials demanded that financial planning be placed above party politics, and demanded “cross-party agreement on any overhaul of the bail-out.” Greece should respond to its wave of labor strikes and popular protest by suspending party politics and economic democracy. “The government and the opposition should declare jointly that they commit to the reform agreements with the EU,” Mr. Juncker explained to Der Spiegel.

Criticizing Prime Minister George Papandreou’s delay at even to start selling state assets, European financial leaders proposed a national privatization agency to act as an intermediary to transfer revenue from these assets to foreign creditors and retire public debt – and to pledge its public assets as collateral to be forfeited in case of default in payments to government bondholders. Suggesting that the government “set up an agency to privatize state assets” along the lines of the German Treuhandanstalt that sold off East German enterprises in the 1990s,” Mr. Juncker thought that “Greece could gain more from privatizations than the €50 billion ($71 billion) it has estimated.”<3>

In a simplistic nutshell, the banksters are trying to take over the world, reap all of the profits and turn us all into their low-paid serfs (I say closer to slaves).


On to the next article I read. I'll just start you off with the first 4 paragraphs of this article:

Rolling Back the Progressive Era: How Bankers are using the Debt Crisis to welcome in the Financial Road to Serfdom

Financial strategists do not intend to let today’s debt crisis go to waste. Foreclosure time has arrived. That means revolution – or more accurately, a counter-revolution to roll back the 20th century’s gains made by social democracy: pensions and social security, public health care and other infrastructure providing essential services at subsidized prices or for free. The basic model follows the former Soviet Union’s post-1991 neoliberal reforms: privatization of public enterprises, a high flat tax on labor but only nominal taxes on real estate and finance, and deregulation of the economy’s prices, working conditions and credit terms.

What is to be reversed is the “modern” agenda. The aim a century ago was to mobilize the Industrial Revolution’s soaring productivity and technology to raise living standards and use progressive taxation, public regulation, central banking and financial reform to distribute wealth fairly and make societies more equal. Today’s financial aim is the opposite: to concentrate wealth at the top of the economic pyramid and lower labor’s returns. High finance loves low wages.

The political lever to achieve this program is financial. The European Union (EU) constitution prevents central banks from financing government deficits, leaving this role to commercial banks, paying interest to them for creating credit that central banks monetize for governments in Britain and the United States. Governments are to go into debt to bail out banks for loans gone bad – as do more and more loans as finance impoverishes the economy, stifling its ability to pay. Yet as long as we live in democracies, voters must agree to pay. Governments are sovereign and debt is ultimately a creature of the law and courts.

But first, voters need to understand what is happening. From the bankers’ perspective, the economic surplus is what they themselves end up with. Rising consumption standards and even public investment in infrastructure are seen as deadweight. Bankers and bondholders aim to increase the surplus not so much by tangible capital investment increasing the overall surplus, but by more predatory means, headed by rolling back labor’s gains and stiffening working conditions while gaining public subsidy. Banks “create wealth” by providing more credit (that is, debt leverage) to bid up asset prices for real estate and enterprises already in place – assets that either are being foreclosed on or sold off under debt pressure by private owners or governments. One commentator recently characterized the latter strategy of privatization as “tantamount to selling the family silver only to have to rent it back in order to eat dinner.”<1>


Okay, I'm sure I'm not the only one who thought IMMEDIATELY here of Obama's suggestion that the rich should buy up properties and rent them back to the have-nots. Of course, that's not the way the administration worded it, but that's sure how I read it and it instantly smacked of feudalism to me. I get queasy when I read it again in the context of Michael Hudson's article above.

And then there was this article. I don't even know where to start with this article -- I'll just offer up 4 paragraphs and urge you to go read the whole article:

How Financial Oligarchy Replaces Democracy

The role of the ECB, IMF and other financial oversight agencies has been to make sure that bankers got paid. As the past decade of fiscal laxity and deceptive accounting came to light, bankers and speculators made fortunes jacking up the interest rate that Greece had to pay for its increasing risk of default. To make sure they did not lose, bankers shifted the risk onto the European “troika” empowered to demand payment from Greek taxpayers.

Banks that lent to the public sector (at above-market interest rates reflecting the risk), were to be bailed out at public expense.<2> Demanding that Greece not impose a “haircut” on creditors, the ECB and related EU bureaucracy demanded a better deal for European bondholders than creditors received from the Brady bonds that resolved Latin American and Third World debts in the 1980s. In an interview with the Financial Times, ECB executive board member Lorenzo Bini Smaghi insisted that: (at link)

<snip>

A creditor-oriented economy is not really a market-based, of course. The banks destroyed the market by their own central financial planning — using debt leverage to leave Greece with a bare choice: Either it would permit EU officials to come in and carve up its economy, selling its major tourist sites and monopolistic rent-extracting opportunities to foreign creditors in a gigantic national foreclosure movement, or it could bite the bullet and withdraw from the Eurozone. That was the deal Bini Smaghi offered: “if there are sufficient privatizations, and so forth – then the IMF can disburse and the Europeans will do their share. But the key lies in Athens, not elsewhere. The key element for the return of Greece to the market is to stop discussions about restructuring.”

One way or another, Greece would lose, he explained: “default or restructuring would not help solve the problems of the Greek economy, problems that can be solved only by adopting the kind of structural reforms and fiscal adjustment measures included in the program. On the contrary it would push Greece into a major economic and social depression.” This leverage demanding to be paid or destroying the economy’s savings and monetary system is what central bankers call a “rescue,” or “restoring market forces.” Bankers claim that austerity will revive growth. But to accept austerity as a realistic democratic alternative would be self-immolation.


And, finally, I'll again leave you with the first 4 paragraphs and urge you to read the rest:

Debt Ceiling Set For Progressive Repealing: Mr. Obama’s scare tactics to get Democrats to vote for his Republican Wall Street plan

You know that the debt kerfuffle is as melodramatically staged as a World Wrestling Federation exhibition when Mr. Obama makes the blatantly empty threat that if Congress does not “tackle the tough challenges of entitlement and tax reform,” there won’t be money to pay Social Security checks next month. In his debt speech last night (July 25), he threatened that if “we default, we would not have enough money to pay all of our bills – bills that include monthly Social Security checks, veterans’ benefits, and the government contracts we’ve signed with thousands of businesses.”

This is not remotely true. But it has become the scare theme for over a week now, ever since the President used almost the same words in his interview with CBS Evening News anchor Scott Pelley.

Of course the government will have enough money to pay the monthly Social Security checks. The Social Security administration has its own savings – in Treasury bills. I realize that lawyers (such as Mr. Obama and indeed most American presidents) rarely understand economics. But this is a legal issue. Mr. Obama certainly must know that Social Security is solvent, with liquid securities to pay for many decades to come. Yet Mr. Obama has put Social Security at the very top of his hit list!

The most reasonable explanation for his empty threat is that he is trying to panic the elderly into hoping that somehow the budget deal he seems to have up his sleeve can save them. The reality, of course, is that they are being led to economic slaughter. (And not a word of correction reminding the President of financial reality from Rubinomics Treasury SecrePrivatizing Will Make Life Worsetary Geithner, neoliberal Fed Chairman Bernanke or anyone else in the Wall Street Democrat administration, formerly known as the Democratic Leadership Council.)


Some more articles by Michael Hudson:

Privatizing Will Make Life Worse (a NY Times article/op-ed he wrote in 1989)

Debt Deal – Economy Sacrificed for Military Bias (Democracy Now interview)

How a $13 Trillion Cover Story was Written: Free money creation to bail out America’s elite financial speculators, but not for Social Security or Medicare

A little info on Michael Hudson can be found on his "about" page.

Much of this is what many of us at DU have been saying for a long time. Still, it was striking reading all of these powerful articles at once this afternoon, particularly on the heels of reading about the SEC corruption. On that note, I think I'll start heading to bed. After a very, very stiff drink! :P




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snagglepuss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-11 08:39 PM
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1. To read later. Bkmkrd. nt
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Tuesday Afternoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-11 08:41 PM
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2. KandRandbkmrkd.
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flying rabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-11 08:59 PM
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3. k n r nt
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tama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-11 09:20 PM
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4. Nothing really new
and here's the real predicament: "the "Governments should run their economies on behalf of banks and bondholders. They should bail out at least the senior creditors of banks that fail (that is, the big institutional investors and gamblers) and pay these debts and public debts by selling off enterprises, shifting the tax burden onto labor."

the "big institutional investors and gamblers are", among others and most notably, pension funds. The predicament of the boomer genarations - our mothers and fathers - of having put all their eggs of old age income in same basket, namely financial bubble and pyramid fraud of fiat currency and the ideology of infinite growth in finite world. In other words, debt from future generations.

It's becaming very evident that the days of this financial system are numbered and in order to take care of our elders and those otherwise unable to feed themselves by their own labour (well in essence everybody else but self-sufficient farmers, gardeners and hunter-gatherers ;)), we need a complete overhaul of the financial system and how money is created and governed and a creation of a new system that is not dependent from infinite growth but much more sustainable.

That means cancelling all debt created by the financial bubble - paying all debts by central bank printing machines would be one way to do it :D - and issuing new currency or to be more precise, money creation system that is not dependent from private banks and interest taking (interest forcing the financial system to grow infinitely just to stay functional). Simple and democratic way of money creation would be ECB creating money by paying citizens salary to all citizens of the monetary system, in this case the eurozone citizens - details and technicalities of the new system could be learned and created by following the experience from alternative local money systems, non-centralized internet money systems like bitcoin etc.

Another option is to abandon money alltogether as this financial system collapses and place trust in human compassion and ability to self organize, as some left-wing libertarians aka anarchists and utopians would be ready to jump into immediately. But if leftists, progressives, socialists, greens etc. really want a radical - radical enough to be realistic - program and message, they need to tackle the issue of current money creation system, which is collapsing, and because it is collapsing and while doing so producing more and more unnecessary suffering on top of all the suffering it has allready caused, come up with a more equal, democratic and sustainable money creation system.

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blank space Donating Member (266 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-22-11 07:00 PM
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58. Yep - I agree there is nothing new in these articles at all
For anyone who has even a vague, passing interest in International Relations and world politics this is the standard, basic, fundamental starting point. I find it disappointing that it is being dressed up as some sort of revelation - it is not.

I fact the tone of these pieces means (somehow insightful) that it misses the bigger picture.

This is in fact a battle of ideas - it is not new and has always been going on, the creation of the welfare state is post colonial - 50's-70's, and the fight back really began in the 80's under thatcherism, Reaganism - what we are seeing now is the victory of this long right wing, conservative fight back.

The real struggle in the world today is simple - governments believe that their job is to govern the economy - get that right and everything else will fall into place (its the economy stupid), this is the problem - the government deeds to regulate on behalf of the people.

That is the pure, simple reality - people first. Not the economy - the economy (business) is naturally anti-worker, anti-people. It wants to destroy wages, and charge as much as it can for everything.

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girl gone mad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-11 09:26 PM
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5. He is someone worth listening to.
A scholar with street smarts, and a constant ally of the productive classes.
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county worker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-11 09:37 PM
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6. I don't like the term "public debt." When I go into debt I get something in return.
I didn't get anything from the public debt!
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-22-11 11:45 AM
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22. We ALL "get" something from public debt: ongoing governmental services,
which are substantial, and which you SHOULD be well aware of as a supposed government employee.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-22-11 12:53 PM
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29. What we mainly get is WAR, WAR and more WAR -- !!
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-22-11 01:10 PM
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34. Well, you won't get any argument from me on that count. But nobody listens
when we say to bring the troops home and stop with the wars of foreign aggression.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-22-11 01:41 PM
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37. We need two strong anti-war candidates in 2012 -- !!
hattp://www.stophoping.org
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-22-11 02:52 PM
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42. Yeah. Did you ever wonder how many
citizens have asked the government to get out of these unproductive and unnecessary wars of choice? It must number in the millions. They simply don't care. There enough dummies out there that still think these military actions are protecting our "freedoms". Only since Dummyya Bush do we call it "freedoms" with an s.
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-22-11 03:10 PM
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45. Kestrel, under Eisenhower, under Kennedy, that was true.
Edited on Mon Aug-22-11 03:18 PM by truedelphi
And even with Johnson, Nixon and Carter. (though the American public paid for the Vietnam billions with the recession of the late seventies.)

But starting with Reagan, what we saw was military buildup, and more military buildup.

If you add up the current deficits of the thirty five states whose budget deficits are paralyzing, and then consider what Geithner told Arnold Schwarzenegger when the governor asked for a 20 billion dollar loan for the people of the state of California - "No, the money is not there to loan to the states, as that would negatively affect the National deficit" and then consider that
meanwhile, back at Ben Bernanke's ranch of the Federal Reserve:



NINE TRILLIONS of DOLLARS OF MAIN STREET's MONEY



Went to unmentioned secret "loans" to the Biggest Financial Players, during last months of Bush and first months of Obama Administration.

Now regarding these "loans," the apologists for the Big Bankers emphatically state that the loans have been "paid back." But the devil is in the details. Federal Reserve Chief Ben Bernanke gave out American dollars, in digitized form, while the Bankers and Big Finance Firms "repaid" the loans with derivatives and other securities that are not worth the money they are printed on.

Once you consider this, then you will understand what some of us are saying. (We the Public only learned of these give aways due to Bernie Sanders legislation that allowed for a small audit of the Federal Reserve.)

You could run the state of California for 133 years on Nine Trillion dollars, and through in Universal Health Care for its 37 million people, as well!

Then examine the recent military record:

Lat autumn, Obama offered up over 150 Billions of Dollars to the nuclear war head manufacturers, so that it would be easier, he said, to negotiate with the Republicans on his Salt Treaty bill. (In other words, he produced killing machines of deadly nukes in order to bring about the eventual elimination of killing machines of deadly nukes !)

The over the last few months, we see the Obama Administration okay the release of over 60 Billions of dollars of warcraft items to MidEastern Arabian "Partners."

That is over 210 bullions of dollars of military stuff -at a time when Obama's economic partner, Timmy Geithner says we need to starve the states so as to not contribute to the deficit.

Do you personally feel safer and happier with these policies of feeding the bankers and feeding the war industry?

I know I don't.

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Kaleko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-11 09:53 PM
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7. Great work, assembling this OP.
Thank you.
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Doremus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-11 10:19 PM
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8. Very scary. Thanks for posting this. K&R
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Lorien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-11 11:30 PM
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9. And why aren't the banksters arrested for economic terrorism?
Round them up and jail them for life, then Nationalize the banks. Iceland tossed them out of their Country and recovered in just a few years. We can do the same with TRUE representation in Washington.
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-22-11 12:29 AM
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11. but.....they wear SUITS AND TIES!!!
it's not like they are, er, GANGSTAS!!!
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-22-11 09:04 AM
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18. So did Capone.
And when you think about it, their goals are the same: skim off the top and amass as huge a bundle as possible.


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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-22-11 12:48 PM
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26. But his name was "Alphonse," not "John" or "James."
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-22-11 02:53 PM
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43. I would vote for that.......nt
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-22-11 05:22 PM
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53. + Me and My Broken heart.
Edited on Mon Aug-22-11 05:23 PM by truedelphi
I will never vote for any person for any office if they have acted like a Corporate Tool.

That is the only way I can help.

Of ocurse, in an oligarchy, an individual's vote doesn't really count for much.
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azul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-22-11 12:26 AM
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10. The whole damn system is based on using debt to distribute wealth
and create debtors -indentured servants.

To get at the root, to change the whole power of money system, debt's power must be balanced or hobbled. Usury laws, debt holidays or jubilees?

The trouble is that the lawmakers and the courts are not about to go this way without some major upheaval. The system has been corrupted to its core: money as speech, corporations as persons.

Lift the rock out of the ground.
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napoleon_in_rags Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-22-11 01:53 AM
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13. Integrity = POWER to create wealth.
Debt is money created out of thin air and given to an entity when the creditor has assessed that the entity will produce an amount of real wealth (actual products or services) equal to the amount of money given, so the value of the newly created money is matched to newly created real wealth, and inflation (too much money for existing amount of real wealth) is avoided.

Debt doesn't HAVE to exist, Muslims have been working on investment based finance systems that avoid it... But it can. The most important thing is that any group of people with sufficient integrity can create a currency system that is mapped to real wealth through debt. It just takes a certain amount of believers with incredible integrity to start, and work for the currency which is nothing to start. Any defectors or immoral people, people flaking out will crash the system.

So the creation of wealth is historically tied to groups with these moral codes and enforced integrity, like the Knights Templar with their transnational banking or masons. A GREAT DEAL of cultural influence is currently being exerted to seemingly separate ourselves from this knowledge, from these identities now, and I don't know why that is. But like Gandhi said about the moral way of life he strived for, its a way of life that goes on, even if there is nobody left to life it.
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tama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-22-11 12:56 PM
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30. bitcoin
Edited on Mon Aug-22-11 12:57 PM by tama
it may not be the perfect solution, but has lot of momentum, many excellent ideas and practical solutions: http://bitcoin.org/
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napoleon_in_rags Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-22-11 05:53 PM
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55. You're the second person to tell me about that.
I better look at it for real this time. Thanks!
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tama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-22-11 12:52 PM
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28. +1
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Hawkowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-22-11 12:30 AM
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12. Are people finally waking up?
Nothing new here.
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BlueJac Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-22-11 01:49 PM
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38. No
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Mojorabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-22-11 06:14 AM
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14. k n r nt
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dana_b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-22-11 06:25 AM
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15. thank you for this
I think.

I will read more from him but I don't know what to do with this information. It is overwhelming and does make one feel powerless. Someone suggested getting politicians in who have some kind of will to fight this but most seem to become bought and paid for once they reach Washington.
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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-22-11 08:59 AM
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16. I've been saying this for a long while...
these are our two choices, christian fundamental fascism or corporate serfdom.

take your choice.

personally? I think it will be a combo sandwich.

We will genuflect at the altar of walmart while getting our heads crushed by the corporate police, but then offered absolution if we confess to unknown crimes by ratting our our innocent neighbors to save our own necks.

We are almost there now.
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inna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-22-11 02:37 PM
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40. not helpful. there are better, real choices. nt
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Dappleganger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-22-11 09:02 AM
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17. Excellent, bookmarked k&r'd.
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alterfurz Donating Member (723 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-22-11 10:03 AM
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19. The Don Corleone School of Economics
"A man with a briefcase can steal more than a hundred men with guns."
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salib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-22-11 11:33 AM
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20. Of course
This has been the intention since the Enlightenment
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russspeakeasy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-22-11 11:39 AM
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21. ...save this for your grandchildren...and so begins the dark ages....
:evilfrown:
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peace frog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-22-11 12:42 PM
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23. It was a nice run while it lasted
Farewell, America.
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avebury Donating Member (455 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-22-11 12:45 PM
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24. How do you bookmark a thread? I want to bookmark this for later reading. nt
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avebury Donating Member (455 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-22-11 12:47 PM
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25. Forget my last post, I finally just figured it out.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-22-11 12:49 PM
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27. Corporate/fascism has risen the same way it always has ...on rw political violence ...
Edited on Mon Aug-22-11 12:50 PM by defendandprotect
assassinations -- and stolen elections -- bought and paid for with wealth of elites --

When it is a hugely powerful coup -- crossing over into MIC/CIA -- and protected by the

power of the presidency -- then members of Congress trying to overturn it are themselves

targeted and ousted -- many violently -- as the cover up is protected.


So -- here we are again -- the attempt to assassinate FDR fortunately failed, otherwise

the corporate/fascists would have taken over that long ago --


Their financing of Hitler and fascism succeeded in moving war across the planet --

until US/England/USSR brought it to a halt.

We are now suffering from the hidden efforts by treasonous Americans -- Allen Dulles,

among others with Operation Paperclip -- to bring ex-Nazis into America. Our CIA was

founded with these ex-Nazis and others were funneled into our FBI and other government

agencies.

Some suggest that JFK had uncovered Project Paperclip -- and was one of the issues he

was preparing to bring to the people.



One of the things which truly astounded me was the lack of effort to hunt down ex-Nazis -

with very few exceptions. "The Secret War Against the Jews" by Aarons -- which is a

misnomer of a title if there ever was one because it is a wideranging book -- and gives

us some insight into how that happened -- among other writers.

It gives us a look into a subject which we need to hear more about -- the power of the

Rockefeller family -- not only in control of states, and in wartime, but in medicine, among

other topics. However, Nelson Rockefeller's OK was required to establish the state of Israel.

Evidently that permission was given based on there being NO hunting down of ex-Nazis.

Had that proviso not been set, perhaps we would have found out about Allen Dulles' Operation

Paperclip much earlier?





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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-22-11 04:16 PM
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48. your post needs to be a Thread!
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-22-11 12:56 PM
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31. Nice work pulling that together! K&R!
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katty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-22-11 01:02 PM
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32. this has been on the march for several decades...thx for post
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bongbong Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-22-11 01:07 PM
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33. Woody
Read "Bound For Glory" for a good, vivid picture of what TPTB have planned for us.
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DirkGently Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-22-11 01:16 PM
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35. Yes. The rich want it all. Homes, schools, pensions. We are to own NOTHING.
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mckara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-22-11 01:21 PM
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36. Reference: Washington Consensus = World Bank + IMF + U.S. Treasury
Yesterday, I started reading Michael Hudson's Super Imperialism: The Origin and Fundamentals of World Dominance, after recently reading H.-J. Chang's, Bad Samaritans, and 23 Things They Don't Tell You About Capitalism. This morning, my dreams of a crashing Dollar awoke me with a feeling of impending doom. :rofl: :wtf:
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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-22-11 02:17 PM
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39. knr - A better way to bail this out (Michael Hudson, Kucinich adviser)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=4048996&mesg_id=4048996

"...The US government made a choice. That choice involved helping the big end of town to pay its gambling debt and left up to 4 million American taxpayers at risk of losing their homes. To add insult to injury, those who lose their homes, and their children, will be paying off the bankers’ debt for many decades to come.

There are alternatives to corporate bail outs. Although reading the mainstream media you could be made to think otherwise. The solution below requires that billions be spent on homeowners/taxpayers, rather than those who have already been proven to be financially incompetent.

A better use of the money, says Michael Hudson, professor of economics at the University of Missouri, Kansas City, and an economic adviser to Rep. Dennis Kucinich, would be to “save these 4 million homeowners from defaulting and being kicked out of their houses. Now they’re going to be kicked out of the houses. The houses will be vacant. The cities are going to (lose) property taxes, they’re going to have to cut back local expenditures, local infrastructure. The economy is being sacrificed to pay the gamblers.”



Life or Debt?
AMI – Monetary Reform and Liberation
G-20 - Debt Slavery

http://www.communitycurrency.org/chicagoreport.html

"In Pittsburgh the G-20 agreed to disagree, thus maintaining the illusion that they have secured the unraveling financial system by instituting the mildest of reforms even while allowing the bankers most responsible for the economic disaster to keep their ill-gotten gains. Simultaneously, in Chicago a less heralded group gathered at the American Monetary Institute (AMI) 5th Annual Monetary Reform Conference to deepen their understanding of the flaws in the dominant debt-based system and the possibilities for transformation. At the G-20 meeting in Pittsburgh, protected by brutal military and police forces, world leaders were met by thousands of protesters deploring their policies. At the AMI meeting at Roosevelt University in Chicago, monetary researchers, authors, and activists from Russia, New Zealand, Europe, Africa, Canada, Britain, and across the US were ignored by the press as they shared their insights and experiences and discussed the Monetary Reform and Financial Security bill, to be introduced into Congress by Dennis Kucinich as a first step to ease the debt slavery burdening humanity.

The AMI was founded by Stephen Zarlenga (& Dr. Lucienne DeWulf). Zarlenga, author of The Lost Science of Money: The Mythology of Money, the Story of Power, contends that


“By mis-defining the nature of money, special interests have often been able to control a society’s monetary system, and in turn, the society itself.”

For years the AMI has labored to create a bill that would nationalize the Federal Reserve, prevent private banks from creating money out of thin air (which they do now under the current fractional reserve banking system), and enable the government to spend it into existence by investing in much needed public infrastructure, including education and health. The conferences feature speakers who understand the current process and how our dishonest, private, oligarchic system could be retooled into an honest, public, transparent, and accountable one.

The recent four-day conference in Chicago included outstanding speakers with extensive knowledge and expertise in a wide range of areas, including some who had worked at the Federal Reserve— whistleblower William Bergman and Meredith Walker; authors, economists, and advisors to Congressman Kucinich—Michael Hudson and David I. Kelley; as well as William Black, who led the Savings and Loan rescue effort in the 90s and spoke in detail on “Fraud's Critical Role in Producing the Financial Crisis.” The talk that moved me the most, however, was about the history of Canada’s monetary reforms, presented by Will Abram—- who was born a year before the 1929 stock market crash and vividly described his life during and after the Great Depression..."




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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-22-11 02:49 PM
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41. Obama's love for bankers comes naturally.
Family precedent: Obama's grandmother blazed trails

By Dan Nakaso, USA TODAY
HONOLULU — Barack Obama's trailblazing effort to become the nation's first black president has a family precedent.

Madelyn Dunham, Obama's grandmother, blazed a feminist trail in Hawaii banking circles in the late 1960s and early 1970s and rose to become one of the Bank of Hawaii's first female vice presidents.

. . . .

Alton Kuioka started at the Bank of Hawaii in 1969 as a 26-year-old management trainee in the loan department. He admitted feeling pressure from Dunham's tough style.

"I was afraid of her," said Kuioka, who is now the bank's vice chairman. "She definitely intimidated me. If you were new and still learning, she was like a drill sergeant."

http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/election2008/2008-04-07-obamagrandma_n.htm

Obama confirmed this:

"When I hear a woman talk about the difficulties of starting her own business, I think about my grandmother, who worked her way up from the secretarial pool to middle-management, despite years of being passed over for promotions because she was a woman," he told his party's national convention in Denver, Colorado, in August.

Read more: http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/world-news/us-election/barack-obamas-grandmother-madelyn-dunham-dies-from-cancer-aged-86-14032086.html#ixzz1Vmx80tWa

And Finally, Obama's mother, Stanley Ann Dunham worked with/for banks:

From January 1981 to November 1984, Dunham was the program officer for women and employment in the Ford Foundation's Southeast Asia regional office in Jakarta.<36><42> While at the Ford Foundation, she developed a model of microfinance which is now the standard in Indonesia, a country that is a world leader in micro-credit systems.<44> Peter Geithner, father of Tim Geithner (who later became U.S. Secretary of the Treasury in her son's administration), was head of the foundation's Asia grant-making at that time.<45>

From May to November 1986 and from August to November 1987, Dunham was a cottage industries development consultant for the Agricultural Development Bank of Pakistan (ADBP) under the Gujranwala Integrated Rural Development Project (GADP).<36><42> The credit component of the project was implemented in the Gujranwala district of the Punjab province of Pakistan with funding from the Asian Development Bank and IFAD, with the credit component implemented through Louis Berger International, Inc.<36><42> Dunham worked closely with the Lahore office of the Punjab Small Industries Corporation (PSIC).<36><42>

From January 1988 to 1995, Dunham was a consultant and research coordinator for Indonesia's oldest bank, Bank Rakyat Indonesia (BRI) in Jakarta, with her work funded by USAID and the World Bank.<36><42> In March 1993, Dunham was a research and policy coordinator for Women's World Banking (WWB) in New York.<36> She helped WWB manage the Expert Group Meeting on Women and Finance in New York in January 1994, and helped the WWB take prominent roles in the UN's Fourth World Conference on Women held September 4–15, 1995 in Beijing, and in the UN regional conferences and NGO forums that preceded it.<[br />
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ann_Dunham

Nothing wrong with working for/with banks, but a person whose parents are or work for lenders is likely to have a different attitude toward debtors than a person whose parents are or work for debtors.

And so, Obama is naturally on the side of the lenders.
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-22-11 04:17 PM
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49. What I want to add to explain my post is:
The young Obama's heart was molded by two generations of close family members whose personal interests were in line with the profit-making motives of the banks that they worked for.

Obama is not from a farming or working-class family. Please remember that. He does not share the values of ordinary working people. He doesn't really know them.
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-23-11 06:40 PM
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61. That is very interesting information.
Obama started trying to explain, as early as mid April 2009, that he didn't ever understand economic issues, and that when he was running for President, he was mainly preoccupied with the two wars we were fighting.

I do know that Tim Geithner spent very little time in the USA when growing up. Such a little amount of time that when he addresses Congress, he says "Your government doesn't have the mechanisms to..."

Some people have said that Geithner only spent six months of his childhood here in the USA.

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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-22-11 03:01 PM
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44. K & R 132. n/t
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blkmusclmachine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-22-11 03:18 PM
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46. It's all coming together now:
"Change:" Nobody said we actually LIKE it.. The robber barons are in complete control. How many years did that take?

Tell me about 9/11 again.
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McCamy Taylor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-22-11 04:10 PM
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47. And now the bankers are backing Romney.
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hifiguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-22-11 04:19 PM
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50. Milton Friedman is the most evil person who has ever
walked the earth.

Read Naomi Klein's "The Shock Doctrine." She spells it all out in terrifying detail. And it all goes back to that sonofabirch Friedman. All of it.
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librechik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-22-11 04:59 PM
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51. slaves had it better than us--free room and board and health care no doubt
We have to pay for it out of our slave wages. Clever, eh?
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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-22-11 05:00 PM
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52. Meet the "New World Order"
Same as Hitler's fascist "New Order!"
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Bryn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-22-11 05:31 PM
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54. Kick
and Rec'd
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awoke_in_2003 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-22-11 06:12 PM
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56. bookmarked to read once off work. nt
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gtar100 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-22-11 06:24 PM
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57. Same pattern as what was occurring during the Dark Ages
Back then, the governments (i.e, monarchies, the Church) all worked in the interest of the wealthy. And the poor were considered servants and of little worth, except when it came to labor, tithes, and taxes.

Lest we all forget, when there is no open Democracy for the people, the wealthy consider the affairs of the state to be none of yours or my business. They will (and do so even now) hide their criminality behind laws they designed to benefit only themselves. And they wrap themselves in layers of convention as a matter of their own self-preservation. We only need to look to the Dark Ages to see how wealthy people act when they are unfettered of common laws. (Merely one worst case scenario - Countess Elizabeth Bathory, who committed despicable crimes for years under the protection of her status.)

Name me one culture in which privately held power over government actually did any good for the common person. Occasionally a benevolent leader rises to power, yet still they are bound by too many conventions to truly break the bonds with which the wealthy have shackled the poor.

One consolation - all fundamentalist, conservative, fascist, totalitarian, dictatorial, militaristic style governments eventually fall. Unfortunately, it took many centuries to break free of Rome, it took many more to break free of the Church and the many monarchies; but we Europeans (yes, all ye white Americans) have tasted Democracy and if it is stripped from us outright, nothing will stop the next uprising. Possibly this time on a global scale. Our modern day monarchy happen to wear business suits and they call themselves CEOs, VPs, Executives, etc. But they are just as easily recognizable. Try all they want, it is they who have set the course to their own doom.
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cyberpj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-22-11 08:20 PM
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59. ...from your 'consolation' to God's ear. If/when today's able-bodied remembers how to assemble.
I don't know whether to hope that I live to see it
or not.

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begin_within Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-22-11 08:25 PM
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60. Don't we already have what is essentially a serfdom now?
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