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Better Believe It Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-11 01:28 PM
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Dean Baker: "President Obama has abandoned evidence-based economics in favor of deficit cutting"


President Obama's re-election economic policy
President Obama has abandoned evidence-based economics to return the US to growth in favour of the politics of deficit-cutting
by Dean Baker
August 15, 2011

A front page story in Sunday's New York Times gave the country the bad news. President Obama is no longer paying attention to economists and economics in designing economic policy. Instead, he will do what his campaign people tell him will get him re-elected, presumably by getting lots of money from Wall Street.

The article said that President Obama intends to focus on reducing government spending and cutting programmes like social security and Medicare. This is in spite of the fact that: "A wide range of economists say the administration should call for a new round of stimulus spending, as prescribed by mainstream economic theory, to create jobs and promote growth."

In other words, President Obama intends to ignore the path for getting the economy back to full employment that most economists advocate. Instead, he is going to cut government spending – because his chief of staff and former JP Morgan vice president Bill Daley and his top campaign adviser David Plouffe both say this is a good idea.

.... President Obama is apparently not listening to economists anymore, so he wouldn't care, in any case. Just as we have many politicians who ignore climatologists in the design of energy policy, and politicians who think that biology has no place in teaching the origins of species, we now have politicians who think that economics has no place in designing economic policy.

Read the full article at:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/cifamerica/2011/aug/15/president-obama-reelection-economic-policy


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White House Debates Fight on Economy
By BINYAMIN APPELBAUM and HELENE COOPER
August 13, 2011

“Playing it safe is not going to cut it,” said Ms. Romer, a professor of economics at the University of California, Berkeley. “Not proposing anything bold and not trying to do something to definitively deal with our problems would mean that we’re going to have another year and a half like the last year and a half — and then it’s awfully hard to get re-elected.”

But there is little support for such an approach inside the administration. A series of departures has left few economists among Mr. Obama’s senior advisers. Several of his political advisers are skeptical about the merits of stimulus spending, and they are certain about the politics: voters do not like it.

Mr. Plouffe and Mr. Daley share the view that a focus on deficit reduction is an economic and political imperative, according to people who have spoken with them. Voters believe that paying down the debt will help the economy, and the White House agrees, although it wants to avoid cutting too much spending while the economy remains weak.

As part of this appeal to centrist voters, the president intends to continue his push for a so-called grand bargain on deficit reduction — a deal with Republicans to make even larger spending cuts, including to the social safety net, in exchange for some revenue increases — despite the strong opposition of Congressional Democrats who want to use the issue to draw contrasts with Republicans.

Read the full article at:

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/14/us/politics/14econ.html?_r=1&hp#



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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-11 01:28 PM
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1. recommend
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Horse with no Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-11 01:32 PM
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2. Sorry. I am on the side that if you do the right thing
and quit worrying so fucking much about being reelected...you will be reelected.

At this point in time...with so much on the line, I seriously wish he would show more concern about the country than his reelection. That is so nauseating.
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33Greeper Donating Member (69 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-11 02:55 PM
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3. Infrastructure Jobs..
would go a long way.
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Better Believe It Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-11 08:25 PM
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4. President Obama doesn't like massive government public works programs.
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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-16-11 12:11 AM
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6. Well, he said that FDR had not dealt with the problems of the
economy fast enough when he first took office, incorrectly. And he does admire Ronald Reagan so it's no surprise that he would not be interested in doing anything progressive, or anything that actually works for the American people.

I wish he had more honest when he was running for the presidency, but then if he had been, he would not be president I suppose.
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Zax2me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-16-11 12:21 AM
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7. Uh, yea. Wasn't that last trillion 'stimulus' about infrastructure?
That worked really well.
You want more of the failed?
sorry. It's not like they blew a few thousand and failed and are saying we need more, we'll get it right and promise THIS time it will work.
BILLIONS - several hundred in fact, poof - gone.
Problem is worse.
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-16-11 01:59 AM
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12. No, it was not. Thanks to Repukes, it was mainly about tax cuts n/t
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Better Believe It Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-16-11 01:35 PM
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22. A little over 10% was for infrastructure.
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Hydra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-16-11 01:46 PM
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24. Umm, no, it wasn't about infrastructure
It was money for the states so they didn't have to shut things like police and schools down, and tax cuts for the Repubs.

Obama admitted that it wasn't supposed to be a stimulus at all- just something to blunt what they thought was a 1 year problem.

Thanks for floating a RW Meme with no facts, however.
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PA Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-16-11 07:57 PM
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29. Less than 10% of the stimulus was allocated to infrastructure.
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on point Donating Member (613 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-16-11 08:42 PM
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30. Uh not exactly. Half the money went to failed concept of tax cuts for wealthy
Edited on Tue Aug-16-11 08:51 PM by on point
And added that 500 billion to the 2 Trillion already sitting on the sidelines in the pockets of the wealthy doing nothing for the economy and proving yet again that tax cuts for the wealthy DO NOT WORK, no matter how often you repeat the myth
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PVnRT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-16-11 01:23 PM
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21. Funny - yesterday, he said we need to have a bunch of infrastructure improvement
to generate jobs, during a speech in Minnesota. I wonder how he plans on paying for it with all of the spending cuts that will be forthcoming.
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SusanaMontana41 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-16-11 01:46 PM
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23. Welcome to DU, 33Greeper!
:hi:
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cstanleytech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-16-11 09:45 PM
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33. Oh I agree but do you think any such spending bill would get passed by congress?
I personally dont think the republicans in congress would vote yes to it because they are bound and determined to drag the president down and out of office even if it means destroying the country to do it.
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chill_wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-11 11:30 PM
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5. Depressing.
Edited on Mon Aug-15-11 11:30 PM by chill_wind
Just really depressing.
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senseandsensibility Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-16-11 12:31 AM
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8. Krugman has been saying that he's not listening to economists
for weeks now. He's only listening to poliical hacks.
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blkmusclmachine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-16-11 12:37 AM
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9. Sorry, we cannot know the WH's REAL economic agenda:
Seems to me, the WH is doing EXACTLY what it's being told to do. In 2012, even if we "win," we lose. There are no good options.
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blackspade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-16-11 01:19 AM
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10. Who are these 'Centrists' and voters who don't like stimulous?
This is a bullshit meme, propogated by political cynics with no taste for action.
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sfpcjock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-16-11 01:41 AM
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11. Obama wrote books and became a multimillionaire...
He started as an ex-senator to "let the Congress make the health care bill", the Hillary-killing health care bill. He got it done pretty well as an initial effort, but we are 30 years down the road of big money lobbies, Heritage Society and Koch/Coors front groups. When his base couldn't be bothered to vote in November he is doing the best he can with the Congress he received. Just like he did with the Great Recession he received.
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libmom74 Donating Member (577 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-16-11 02:10 AM
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13. Quit blaming the base that did vote
Edited on Tue Aug-16-11 02:11 AM by libmom74
and start looking at the guys (Obama and centrist Democrats) whose shitty policies cause the Independents to either stay home or vote for the other side. In 2006 and 2008 people turned out in record numbers to vote for CHANGE not Republican lite, if the Democrats have lost and continue to lose elections after that it is THEIR OWN DAMN FAULT (as well as their lackey apologists).
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sfpcjock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-16-11 02:36 AM
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14. Who's blaming the base that did vote?
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Hydra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-16-11 02:02 PM
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26. You just did
The people who thought they were his base all showed up- ie: Democrats. The people who DIDN'T show up were the mythical "centerist" independents. The real independents were mad about the lack of jobs and the Wall St. Socialism.

Don't blame us for a supreme tactical error from the top.
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emsimon33 Donating Member (904 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-16-11 07:27 PM
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28. Well said! And right on.
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cstanleytech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-16-11 09:54 PM
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34. Simple request for you
and that is would you please post the link that shows what the majority of independents who voted for him really voted for him because they want a more liberal president than what he has been or do they want a more moderate one, thanks.
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placton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-16-11 08:36 AM
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15. ya know, I am coming around to believing
that Obama just doesnt believe in reality, logic, compassion, or even getting re-elected.
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emilyg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-16-11 12:52 PM
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18. Reality - the big one.
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placton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-16-11 08:36 AM
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16. ya know, I am coming around to believing
that Obama just doesnt believe in reality, logic, compassion, or even getting re-elected.
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Overseas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-16-11 09:27 AM
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17. I thought my president being pragmatic would mean he would insist on evidence based economics.
The Bush Crash showed that tax cuts to the top 2% do not create jobs.

So I was ready for a really pragmatic president to start there. The Supply Side Plan which we had tried for over 20 years by then had clearly not worked.

So I thought my practical president who had been talking about the Democratic party platform in the campaign would come into office rallying all Democratic legislators to get into line to return us to Demand Side Economics which worked so much better.

GOP tax cuts for millionaires had failed.

The country was ready for new management and voted for the party of FDR.

The dismal circumstances of the majority of us after the Bush Crash made it a great time to rescind the Bush tax cuts early, put millions back to work on all the infrastructure maintenance Republicans had ignored in order to pay their private war contractors.

We could even have been bipartisan by noting we were being bipartisan with what their party used to stand for-- fiscal responsibility and strong national security. Evidence shows that demand side economics works better. Evidence shows that privatization of military services is wasteful, less efficient, and doesn't make us more secure.

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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-16-11 01:15 PM
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19. Slashing Government Spending & Defunding the Safety Net during a Recession...
..is Republican Dogma,
and has NEVER worked.

WHY is the "Democratic Party" pushing in this Republican direction?



Who will STAND and FIGHT for THIS American Majority?
The California Progressive Caucus WILL!!

You will know them by their WORKS,
not by their excuses.

Solidarity!
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on point Donating Member (613 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-16-11 08:45 PM
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31. KR 1000%. Obama seems to have joined the delusional economic RW fools
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grahamhgreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-16-11 01:20 PM
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20. Kick
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woo me with science Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-16-11 01:47 PM
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25. K&R nt
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bertman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-16-11 04:55 PM
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27. The day that President Obama bought into the 'deficits must be reduced' argument was the day we ALL
lost. That was way back in '09. No wonder with such wonderkinds as Geithner and Summers bending his ear.

BIG KICK.

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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-16-11 08:56 PM
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32. Reality is for the little people, like you and me
Fact-based economics is under the bus, right next to the rule of law and habeas corpus and the Bill of Rights.
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