I am not buying the "I will vote for other Democrats" but not the President

[Peacetrain]

Just not buying it.

I do not believe that.

[boston bean]

1. Well, bully for you! nt

[Broderick]

2. Nor do I

[RegieRocker]

3. I'm not buying the "lesser of two evils".

[Donnachaidh]

10. +1 n/t

[NorthCarolina]

13. Me either. +1

nt

[gateley]

29. I'm not buying "I can't give this man my vote. If a Republican

takes over, so be it. Maybe the Dems will learn."

We saw how that went in 2010.

[uponit7771]

30. +1000

[RegieRocker]

46. It's the only way. No repercussion? Yea that will work.

[BackToThe60s]

37. And yet....

Most of the time....:shrug:

[LWolf]

49. +1000

[Bandit]

4. Time will tell

It really makes no difference to me. One Republican is as bad as another..Doesn't matter how many Ds they put after their name..

[emulatorloo]

14. Yes, Obama and Rick Perry are exactly the same

[Erose999]

45. The agenda is the same, Obama is just implementing it more slowly. While I get that theres probably

a wide gulf between Obama and Perry, Obama has enable Boner and the Teabaggers by giving them everything they want. While he might not be as bad as Rick Perry or Bachmann, he's certainly as bad as Romney, Cain, Gingrich, and all the rest of the cheese-dick candidates.

[still_one]

5. Doesn't it depend who wins the republican nomination? /nt

[pintobean]

6. You don't think people actually do that?

I've left races blank on the ballot before. Never for President, but I'm sure I could.

[Lunabelle]

7. Oh, you better believe I'll vote for the Democratic nominee...

but I sure hope someone primaries Obama and makes him answer for some of his decisions.

[dennis4868]

8. Kevin Dreum from Mother Jones

"Honest to God, Republicans must all be sitting in their back rooms and just cackling like hell right now. Think about it. They developed a strategy to hamstring the president completely — a strategy that's bulletproof thanks to our country's Constitution — knowing that it would rally their base but also hoping that it would cause moderates and lefties alike to become disgusted with Obama's weakness even though we all know who's really responsible for what's going on. And it worked! In fact, it's worked better than they could possibly have imagined. They can probably barely keep from spitting up their beers right now. We are such chumps".

[MineralMan]

+100

[JoePhilly]

27. Absolutely correct. That's been their plan from day 1.

[gateley]

32. We ARE such chumps. The joke's on us and it's not Obama

who's doing the laughing.

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[muffin1]

11. Umm...hello...

DU wasn't around during the Clinton administration, but if it had been, you can be sure there would have been many threads about it. Good lord, both Clintons are bashed here on a regular basis.

[dennis4868]

15. ummm...hello..

but dems were around in 1996 and nobody was talking about primarying him...

[Mr Deltoid]

17. In 1996 everything was on the upswing

...not collapsing. It has nothing to do with his skin color.

[dennis4868]

20. great...

so Kevin Drum was right: "Honest to God, Republicans must all be sitting in their back rooms and just cackling like hell right now. Think about it. They developed a strategy to hamstring the president completely — a strategy that's bulletproof thanks to our country's Constitution — knowing that it would rally their base but also hoping that it would cause moderates and lefties alike to become disgusted with Obama's weakness even though we all know who's really responsible for what's going on. And it worked! In fact, it's worked better than they could possibly have imagined. They can probably barely keep from spitting up their beers right now. We are such chumps".

So u blame Obama for the collapse even though repubs obstruct any progress so they can get the WH...oh great, now even liberals blame Obama for repub obstructionism! THIS SHIT IS GETTING OUT OF HAND!

[Mr Deltoid]

38. I blame Obama for buying into the RW economics

...as a solution for our economic woes, yes.

[muffin1]

18. Umm...hello...

Maybe the MSM wasn't covering it, but I don't see them talking about it now, either.

Many of the people I know were...

If you really think the problem Progressives have with Obama is the color of his skin, then there is nothing I can say to change your mind, is there?

[pipi_k]

21. I don't know about you, but...

in 1996 I didn't get a chance to talk with 200+ million Americans, so I personally wouldn't have a clue as to what they all were, or were not, talking about.

You must have a whole lot of friends....


:+

[pintobean]

12. DUers are racist?

I nominate this for dumbest post of the year.

[Bluebear]

60. +

[Mr Deltoid]

16. So, Democrats are upset with his policies because he is black?

Wow...

[dennis4868]

19. no...

they are irrational and never take into consideration that he is not a king and cannot pass pure 1005 progressive laws by himself...in the 1990s people understood what Clinton was up against; now many liberals don't do that for Obama....Obama has done a hell of alot more for the progressive cause than Clinton (www.whatthefuckhasobamadonesofar.com).

Kevin Drum: "Honest to God, Republicans must all be sitting in their back rooms and just cackling like hell right now. Think about it. They developed a strategy to hamstring the president completely — a strategy that's bulletproof thanks to our country's Constitution — knowing that it would rally their base but also hoping that it would cause moderates and lefties alike to become disgusted with Obama's weakness even though we all know who's really responsible for what's going on. And it worked! In fact, it's worked better than they could possibly have imagined. They can probably barely keep from spitting up their beers right now. We are such chumps".

[Mr Deltoid]

28. The first thing Clinton did when he took office was reverse Reaganomics

He did it retroactively meaning he ended the tax cut laws before they expired with his 1993 economic plan. He whipped Democrats up with the bully pulpit and got them in line and passed it without a single GOP vote. The republicans claimed the economy would completely collapse within a year.

Obama may be more of a progressive than Clinton, but Clinton did not buy into ruinous republican economic policies and did not try to cram 'bi-partisanship' down the country's throat, economy and country be damned.

[Fumesucker]

22. Last time I checked, Carter was white..

Not speaking to the prudence or lack of such of a primary challenge but it's not based entirely on race.

[mazzarro]

23. Hell no way is this about Obama being black

It is about Obama being too PRO-CORPORATE and too ACCOMMODATING of NEO-LIBERAL policies of the DLC/New Democrats/Third Way/Blue Dogs and not showing much of a fight for the democratic party's platform.

[dennis4868]

26. disagree :-)

[gateley]

34. I truly don't think that's the issue with Progressives who are angry

at him -- I'm CONVINCED that's the issue with the baggers and many other Americans.

All the fights I've gotten into on DU while defending Obama (I'm an apologist, dontcha know? :7) it was never my sense that it was about race.

[hifiguy]

24. Believe it.

I am one of them saying it. I would never miss the chance to vote for my Congressman, Keith Ellison, or other good, real Democrats for state and federal office. But I am done with the Current Occupant. Done.

Edited to add "what mazzaro said!"

[H2O Man]

25. Respectfully disagree.

I do not think anyone is saying they would vote for ANY other democrat, but not President Obama. Rather, I think many good democrats are saying that they wish they had an opportunity to vote for someone who -- unlike Obama -- would fight for Democratic Values.

I do recognize that non-democrats are hoping to exploit this divide. Yet the divide is real.

[woo me with science]

31. Thanks for sharing.

:eyes:

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

33. So? I don't believe Obama will stand up for liberal policies.

And, I have and will vote for Democrats down ballot...if they earn my vote.

[kenny blankenship]

35. That's what they call "Denial"

[muffin1]

36. Why should we care what you believe?

:shrug:

[otohara]

39. Why Does DU Exist?

:shrug: :shrug: :shrug: :shrug: :shrug: :shrug:

[muffin1]

41. I'm not really sure anymore.

It used to be a place where Dems stood for someTHING. Now, it seems too many want to stand for someONE.

[Bluebear]

57. +

[Peacetrain]

40. The same reason no one should care about what anyone believes around here??

I stood up on my box and said my piece..

[muffin1]

42. But you really didn't say much.

Are you saying the people saying that will end up voting Obama for President again? Or, are you saying that those people are not really Dems, and are voting a straight "R" ticket?

I guess I've grown weary of all the insults - hence, my attitude in the last post.

[otohara]

54. Didn't You Insult The OP

errr....you can't call your post attitude, when it's clearly an insult.

[grahamhgreen]

43. Believe it. There are those who think it's easier to fight against an R than a Dem w/ Repub ideology

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[Erose999]

47. I'll probably vote Dems for congress and Rowdy Roddy Piper for president.

[LWolf]

50. Something I used to say about GWB:

"My cat would make a better president."

It's a sad day when I have to write in my cat's name on the ballot. It's a hell of a lot sadder when I have to say that about a Democratic president. At least my cat knows how to recognize, hunt and defeat vermin.

As of right now, she's my first choice for that spot on the ballot in '12. :(

[LWolf]

48. What you "buy" doesn't affect me, or my votes, in the least.

I'll vote the way I vote whether you "buy" it, or not.

[Bluebear]

56. Nope! She just ain't buying it!

No way! No way! :crazy:

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[Melinda]

52. Well, I'll not compromise my vote - too many have died for my right to exercise it.

Many deaths close to home. There are those who may think my vote is theirs to expect simply because I am registered as a member of the Democratic party; I tell you now that I will vote my conscience, I will vote my values, I will vote my beliefs, and I'll not march to your or any others tune.

Your choice to believe that I will march along in lockstep is of no import to me. Take my vote for granted, don't take it... no import.

Melinda

[Bluebear]

53. Well la di da lol

[ZombieHorde]

55. If someone lives in a dominantly red state, or a dominantly blue state,

I'm not so sure their votes really matter that much.

Presidential votes are most important in swing states in my opinion.

[Creideiki]

58. :wave: from Colorado!

[Raine]

59. and I should care that you "don't buy it"

because????? :shrug: What you "believe" about me and my vote means absolutely nothing to me. :silly:

edit: typo

[Odin2005]

61. Believe what you want.