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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-11 05:09 PM
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Ed Kilgore was right about the "sense of cold fury" that liberals must "bury".
That term was used recently in another of the many warnings to those of us who are often the feet on the ground members of our party, aka the "left", the "liberals", the "progressives".

From a very scathing opinion piece by Ed Kilgore at Salon:

Liberal voters are precisely the least likely Democratic-leaning segment of the electorate to sit on their hands in 2012, no matter how they feel about Obama.

And that reality, I suspect, is contributing significantly to the anger and despair expressed by progressive elites about Obama. They may now regret his nomination in 2008, or even (on strategic grounds) his election. But they know in their hearts they will be voting for him in 2012, and for the most part, speaking out for his re-election. Next time there is an open Democratic presidential nomination contest, the organized left will almost certain to make far greater ideological demands on candidates, and make a far less speculative choice of a favorite, than it did in 2008. In the meantime, liberals will mostly have to bury a sense of cold fury that they have been "had" by a politician who in the course of less than three years has devolved from being the left’s great hope for a "transformative" presidency to a heresiarch over whom the Left has virtually no leverage.


What triggered this bout of my "cold fury"? A simple thing really...like not being able to get through to either the business office or doctors' section of a very large medical clinic. It is one of the two top clinics in our area, but their phone system is archaic and dysfunctional.

I got a large bill that is an obvious error...things like that happen a lot with them. But I still had to call and verify the error. Haven't been able to get through to the business office after 2 days. Called the section for our doctor, waiting 20 minutes then. When I explained the problem I was given a long lecture by the answering receptionist on how they were not the business office. I was told no one else could get through to the business office either. Then she got mad when I questioned why. She said they were having to deal with benefit cuts by Medicare, and there was nothing they could do. I continued to ask her a few things, but she got even madder. I said I was a concerned patient asking about a bill, she said she was going to hang up.

I realized that health care will probably continue to deteriorate in this country.

I realize that in November they will be meeting to come up with cuts to Social Security and Medicare, in spite of the fact that the great majority of Americans oppose such a thing. I remembered how they are dismantling public education in order to allow billionaires to set the education agenda and make a profit. I remembered how when I posted recently about they are hitting retirees so hard with taxes on Social Security....I was in effect said to be whining and not wanting to pay my fair share. When I post about the vital importance of public education, the thread becomes an attack on teachers and how lousy they are. When many of us show concern at the renewed blending of religion and government in the Faith-based initiatives, we are told it is really not happening.

So I guess that "cold fury" that Ed Kilgore mentioned is going to be hard to contain.

Kilgore's rant is only the latest. I remember the way Susie Madrak of Crooks and Liars put it on a progressive blogger conference call last year with David Axelrod. She was right to call it hippie punching.

"That tension burst out into the open when Madrak directly asked Axelrod: "Have you ever heard of hippie punching?" That prompted a long silence from Axelrod.

"You want us to help you, the first thing I would suggest is enough of the hippie punching," Madrak added. "We're the girl you'll take under the bleachers but you won't be seen with in the light of day."

Axelrod didn't engage on "hippie punching," but he said he agreed with the blogger. "To the extent that we shouldn't get involved in intramural skirmishing, I couldn't agree more," Axelrod said. "We just can't afford that. There are big things at stake here."

Madrak replied that Axelrod was missing the point -- that the criticism of the left made it tougher for bloggers like herself to motivate the base. "Don't make our jobs harder," she said."

Liberal blogger confronts Axelrod


If they do not consider us important it makes it easy for them to tune us out, make us irrelevant. And it is easier then to ignore the issues that are vital to our lives.

The Vice President last year told us to stop whining.

Biden, speaking at a frozen yogurt plant in New Hampshire, said he wanted to “remind our base constituency to stop whining and get out there and look at the alternatives.

“It’s idiotic is what it is,” says Daily Kos founder Markos Moulitsas, one of Obama’s most pointed critics on the left. “If Democrats, with the White House and Congressional super-majorities, had delivered on what they had promised, and if people had jobs, no one would be whining. They have reaped what they sowed. They haven’t delivered on what they’ve promised — and instead of making the case as to why they would do if they are reelected, they are insulting people.

Read more: Quit Whining.


Obama appeared to approve of Biden's remarks later on.

“Folks wake up! This is not some academic exercise. As Joe Biden put it, Don’t compare us to the Almighty, compare us to the alternative,” Obama said at a fundraiser in New York last week.

“It was easy showing up for the inauguration even though it was cold,” the president said, recalling, ”I’m polling at 70 percent, Beyoncé and Bono are singing. But I believe that the reason you got involved at the outset was not because we had cool pollsters, not because it was the trendy thing to do, not just because my predecessor had become unpopular, but because at some level we understood that the American dream had served each of us very well.”


Robert Gibbs called out the "professional left" also last year and said we could not be satisfied.

"During an interview with The Hill in his West Wing office, White House press secretary Robert Gibbs blasted liberal naysayers, whom he said would never regard anything the president did as good enough.

“I hear these people saying he’s like George Bush. Those people ought to be drug tested,” Gibbs said. “I mean, it’s crazy.”

The press secretary dismissed the “professional left” in terms very similar to those used by their opponents on the ideological right, saying, “They will be satisfied when we have Canadian healthcare and we’ve eliminated the Pentagon. That’s not reality.”

Of those who complain that Obama caved to centrists on issues such as healthcare reform, Gibbs said: “They wouldn’t be satisfied if Dennis Kucinich was president.”

WH unloads on professional left


When Howard Dean spoke out in the beginning, he could really hit the nail on the head. There is a paragraph from his 2004 book, You Have the Power, which should make party leaders think before antagonizing their own.

Without the involvement and commitment of people at the ground level, you don't really have a party. You have no pool from which to draw future congresspeople, senators, and presidents. And you have no genuine excitement.

..."He says "the truth is when you trade your values for the hope of winning, you end up losing and having no values--so you keep losing.

We have to reconnect to the base.


..."In recent years the Democrats, in our pursuit of big dollars, have neglected the people we're there to serve. We let our connection to our base atrophy and have forgotten, as they say in politics, who brought us to the dance. In service to a falsely named "centrism," we've sidestepped every major request from labor unions, especially on including worker protections in our free-trade agreements.

False centrism that passes for moderation.


I think Ed Kilgore was right to use the words "cold fury." But I think he was wrong about the reason for much of it.

I think it is a first step in a helplessness, when one really realizes that no party is standing up for things people need to have a decent society.
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COLGATE4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-11 05:19 PM
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1. Too sad. Too true.
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bluerum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-11 05:22 PM
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2. Excellent. I might add, "I am the liberal left, and I vote".
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peace frog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-11 10:00 AM
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54. "...or not. Give me a reason to vote, and I will."
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upi402 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-11 05:26 PM
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3. They are whores and they perform for money
and leave their date alone in the dance while they're out in the parking lot getting round heels.


effemall
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MedicalAdmin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-11 07:09 AM
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41. Your post is an insult to whores.
Honest, fair jobs for fair value, usually doing their best to survive. In no way are the parasites in washington as noble as a whore.
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Joe Fields Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-11 07:26 AM
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43. agree wholeheartedly
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Divernan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-11 07:48 AM
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47. Many hos have empathy. Greedy, megalomaniacal politicians do not.
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MedicalAdmin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-11 10:18 AM
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58. I disagree.
Many politicians have empathy - it's just that they sold it.
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Divernan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-11 01:24 PM
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73. I referred to megalomaniacal politicians, not ALL politicians
Edited on Mon Aug-15-11 02:04 PM by Divernan
Megalomaniacs (now lumped in with narcissists in the DSM) view others as objects to be manipulated and have no empathy for others or regrets for the damage they inflict on others. Makes it damned easy to put Social Security/Medicare/Medicaid on the bargainig table. Eviscerating those programs is an easy price for a megalomaniac to pay to put one's
"grand plan" into operation.

Never content to simply lead their own countries, the most notorious megalomaniac world leaders had GRAND plans for world domination. It sends a chill down my spine everytime Obama talks about his "grand" plan.

On edit: can one truly have empathy and then sell it? I would argue one never had true empathy to begin with, but perhaps the coarsening experience of fighting for survival in today's post-modern, post Countrywide USSC decision, political era does harden one's heart and soul. One can still understand another's feelings and situations and sufferings - one just doesn't give a shit or lose a moment's sleep about it.
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MedicalAdmin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-11 03:06 PM
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78. The definition of an honest politician is one that ...
... once paid off, stays paid off. Yes, they are on the take, but they ain't greedy about it.

The dishonest ones don't stick to staying paid off. They are always on the take.
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-11 05:49 PM
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4. Recommend
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-11 05:51 PM
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5. You are correct. Despair preceeds cold fury. And it can't remain buried forever.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-11 10:03 PM
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12. I don't think I ever remember...
a time when things were like this in this country. Yes, there is so much despair.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-11 06:58 AM
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39. We're entering an era of the unknown for most living Americans today.
Edited on Mon Aug-15-11 06:58 AM by mmonk
While the Roosevelt generation dies out, we are about to find out what brought about the despair that required FDR's New Deal. Americans will not be prepared as the last vestiges of the New Deal are dealt away. Well, I've got to leave for the hospital. Keep up the good work.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-16-11 02:09 PM
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87. Hate to say it, but I think you may be right.
Even what we are seeing so far...that the Democrats are openly talking about cutting Social Security...is scary enough.

It's like a whole new ballgame.
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-11 01:51 PM
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75. You think this is bad,....
...wait until 2014 when The Mandate kicks in,
and 40 Million - 70 Million Americans are forced to BUY Junk Insurance.
They will make today's "Cold Fury" look like Playtime at Romper Room.




Who will STAND and FIGHT for THIS American Majority?
The California Progressive Caucus WILL!!

You will know them by their WORKS,
not by their excuses.

Solidarity!
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awoke_in_2003 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-11 06:30 PM
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6. k&r...
how long before the riots start here?
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dorksied Donating Member (205 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-11 12:41 AM
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21. dunno, but I've been collecting Jose Quervo bottles.
They make EXCELLENT Molotov Cocktails.
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awoke_in_2003 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-11 05:55 PM
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84. sure is better than drinking it...
:)
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fasttense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-11 06:48 AM
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37. A nonviolent prolonged occupation of Washington DC is planned for the 6th of October.
Edited on Mon Aug-15-11 06:50 AM by fasttense
You wont be able to call it a riot, but it is better.

Obama Can NOT stand up to pressure. He wont be able to stand up to pressure (real pressure in the form of actual marches and protests) from liberals anymore than he stands up to pressure from teabaggers and RepubliCONS.

Obama and his administration really have no idea how to fight back. We need to teach him. Join the fight. Use that cold furry, channel it into action and come out.

http://october2011.org/welcome
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swilton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-11 01:05 PM
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68. I see that Obama does stand up to progressives
It's only the GOP that he caves too. Keep in mind that he's also good at bullying: Bradley Manning, the elderly, the poor...

It's going to get interesting.
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grasswire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-11 06:56 PM
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7. have they said "get over it" again?
That still burns me up.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-11 09:15 PM
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11. That's the worst.
I agree.

It still stings to hear those words. We heard them so much in 2000 here in Florida.
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SteveM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-11 05:01 PM
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81. "they" may be wrong. What remains of the "left" may start organizing now...
which means a significant chunk could work to "subvert" the corporate-agenda of the DLC in local party organizations; others may support a primary challenge. Enough can dissuade libs/progs to not vote for Obama. They may go with some odd-ball 3rd Party outfit, a real local challenge; they may stay home and work for 2016 -- when we could face Perry.

I saw over 2,000 folks fill a local hall in favor of Nader in 2000. That could happen again.

One thing is for sure. We're getting old. And that does not bode well.
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Snotcicles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-11 07:08 PM
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8. President Obama, you have danced with everyone else. Now dance with the one that brung ya. nt
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-11 08:34 PM
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9. The base will be motivated when we get a liberal president and change direction to the LEFT --!!
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Joe Fields Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-11 07:28 AM
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45. the problem with that proposition is the fact that too many voters
look at the cult of personality, the shiny new object and get mesmerized, caught up in the hubris, not really peeking behind the curtain.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-11 11:28 AM
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64. You're saying 80% of Americans who want an end to the wars will be too dazzled by Obama
in a swim suit to do anything but vote for him?

Or are you saying the 76% of Americans -- 83% of Catholics -- who want government

run health care will be so blinded by the light from Obama that they will vote

for him despite his trampling of MEDICARE FOR ALL?


Guess the cult of personality just blue a fuse in 2010?

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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-11 08:57 PM
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10. HUGE K & R !!!
:kick:
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grahamhgreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-11 10:33 PM
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13. Kick. I will not vote against FDR.
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roxiejules Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-11 10:34 PM
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14. A empowers B to elect C to serve A
A---------> B --------> C
|------<----------<-------|


Now one common mistake is to think that you're A. Nope, you're B. Who's A then? Corporate America is A. Goldman Sachs, GE, WalMart, etc; they're A. You're B. They empower you (B) to elect a government (C) whose sole purpose is to serve them (A).

How does Corporate America empower you? They outsource the job to an entity called "the media." The media's mission is to brainwash you so you believe you are A.

But you are B.


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chervilant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-11 10:42 PM
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15. Helplessness and Hopelessness...
I read Rachel Carson's Silent Spring when I was 12. When I finished Carson's iconic treatise, I made two fundamental decisions: 1) I would not bear children, and 2) I would be an activist for the rest of my life. I am thankful that I've achieved both these goals, considering our species' imminent ecocide.

During my 55 years on this planet, I've witnessed:

~heavy metal pollution of virtually all of our groundwater

~inexplicable declines in honeybee populations

~nutritional deficiencies in almost every fruit or vegetable harvested since the 70s

~vast swaths of soil erosion and silt runoff

~measurable declines in the quality and flavor of most produce

~GLOBAL monopolies on seed stocks

~cross contamination of vegetable foodstuffs from cattle and dairy operations

~inhumane treatment of cattle, sheep, goats, pigs, calves, chickens, turkeys, geese and ducks

~Bhopal

~Chernobyl

~Fukushima

~oil spills in the Gulf

~the nationwide existence of 'Superfund Sites' that are so toxic, massive amounts of our tax dollars have been allocated to 'clean up' these abandoned, hazardous areas (visit Superfund websites and you'll find "Superfund for Kids!")

~destruction of the planet's rain forests (actually, widespread deforestation)

~global climate change, resulting in extreme weather conditions worldwide

~a pile of floating garbage--in surface area, twice the size of the state of Texas--in the doldrums of the Pacific Ocean (and another similar carpet of plastic in the Atlantic...)

~a measurable decline in the amount of food fish we pull out of our oceans and lakes (with toxic levels of mercury in tuna and other large fish)

~an exponential increase in obesity, diabetes, heart disease, and other diseases directly linked to the consumption of refined sugars (let's not even BEGIN to discuss hydrogenated oils...)

~a growing percentage (almost half) of functionally illiterate (thus, easily manipulated) adults in the US

~a now ubiquitous 'message delivery system' (television) that has turned a significant number of humans into distracted, misinformed zombies

~a dangerous economic system that concentrates the wealth of this planet into the hands of a VERY few at the expense of the VERY many

~destructive, endless 'wars' based on lies and profitability (don't get me started about Depleted Uranium)

~a radical shift to exponential growth (read 'change') that few recognize and even fewer discuss.

Sigh...

We are like a plague of locusts on this planet, fouling the air, water, and land while destroying entire ecosystems. AND, in these exponential times, the catastrophic economic 'transformation' we're witnessing in our global economy promises to inflict challenges we have yet to envision.

Did you know that a third of US students surveyed do not expect to live into their old age? (In case you don't remember, for teenagers thirty is old age...)

The 'whining' Obama and his sycophants denigrate is actually the justifiable grumbling of the hoi polloi, as more of us awaken to the reality of the jack boots of the uber wealthy clamping down across our necks. These vile corporatists are daily increasing their stranglehold on our lives and our livelihood. Do they expect us to go quietly into their dark night?!

Our species has reached critical mass. The decisions we make RIGHT NOW will determine whether we continue to evolve into the erudite, peaceful and creative beings we KNOW we can become; or devolve into the ignorant, aggressive, and fearful beings we vociferously deny being now and in much of our past.

At this unavoidable fork in our evolutionary path, which way do YOU think we'll go?
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Lorien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-11 02:50 AM
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23. This post deserves it's own thread
And I'm right there with you: I vowed never to have kids and I've always fought for the Big Issue: our environment. The Corporation is becoming the deadliest force on earth. If it isn't reined in soon I think that we all know what path we'll be taking.
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fasttense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-11 06:56 AM
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38. Well, I vowed to only have 2 children to obtain zero population growth.
But you actually worked toward a negative growth. I'm impressed.

But you need to channel your furry into action.

Join us in October. We plan a prolonged occupation of Washington DC. I'm as old as you are and I still have some fight left in me.

It worked in Egypt.

http://october2011.org/welcome
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chervilant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-16-11 02:57 PM
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88. Please, DO keep
reminding people to participate in this event. I have joined, and will be there.

And, this bears repeating:

Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world. Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has.

Margaret Mead, (1901 - 1978)


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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-11 04:34 AM
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28. Whiner!
LOL!

Sorry. I'm with you on every word. Excellent post.
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MissDeeds Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-11 05:49 AM
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33. Excellent post n/t
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meow mix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-11 10:08 AM
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55. +rec... the democrats are now the rightwing step-father.
quit whining and eat your nuke!!
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Butch350 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-11 10:52 AM
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61. You've gone and done it...
I'm shedding a tear. I wish you hadn't reminded of those terrible things - sadly it's true.

Oh My.
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Lunabelle Donating Member (344 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-11 01:06 PM
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69. I vowed never to have kids.
I wanted to adopt, but never had the money.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-11 01:14 PM
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72. Another great post.
Thank you.
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hay rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-11 11:09 PM
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16. "...compare us to the alternative."
"...Don’t compare us to the Almighty, compare us to the alternative,” Obama said at a fundraiser in New York last week.

The rhetorical posturing is really disappointing. First mock humility- he can't rebuild Heaven and Earth in 7 days or even 3 years. He is not even the Second Coming. Then- so what do you expect of a mere mortal? Well, compare us to the alternative.

Sad that Obama should try to set the bar so low.


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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-11 11:16 PM
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17. Telling us to compare him to the alternative, the teaparty, sets a low level
of expectation. I would not have expected that.
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Hawkowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-11 02:36 AM
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22. I don't see much of a difference
After comparing them to the alternative, I see just a small degree of difference in neglect, insults, incompetence, policy, and ignorance. I will be voting for none of the above at the top of the ticket.
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emsimon33 Donating Member (904 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-11 12:07 AM
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18. Well said as always! Thank you.
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AzDar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-11 12:08 AM
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19. K & R
:kick:
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saras Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-11 12:34 AM
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20. This is why the two-party system has to go
The spoiler effect renders it impossible for the public to democratically move either or both parties in the desired direction, and so the parties' actual agendas are set by other forces.

At this point I must presume that anyone supporting the two-party, winner-take-all system understands this and does not WANT democratic representation.

And frankly, the kind of quislings who gloat over this disgust me even more than fruitcakes like Michelle Bachmann. If Bachmann could be compared to a drunk grizzly bear, these "it's us good cops or those bad cops" folks are more comparable to Ascaris worms.
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Mimosa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-11 02:54 AM
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24. K&Ring best OP in months!
MadFloridian, thank you. :)
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meow mix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-11 03:30 AM
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25. lol @ obama, good luck with that.
he's more dangerous to people i know, than the previous prez.
rounding them up with machine guns... fuck him
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Waiting For Everyman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-11 04:09 AM
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26. I'm past the cold fury. I'm at the indifferent ambivalence stage, myself.
I tend to think Obama will be re-elected anyway. Why? Because he's doing what the PTB want just fine. And even if he doesn't get elected, either way, I don't think who the President is will make much difference. Obama is acting like the alternative, so why fear the alternative?

I'll vote for him, but I won't give one minute of my time or one dollar. Que sera sera, what will be will be. My getting upset isn't going to change it. And I don't think any amount of effort and donations will change it. If we don't donate, the big money will chip in and see that who they want is elected - and that may very well be Obama. I wouldn't be at all surprised.

I'm interested in the local candidates, and a few progressive out of state candidates, and I will begin burrowing into the Dem party on a precinct level so that sometime in the future it might change. And I'll share whatever I learn about it with others who want to do that too.

Beyond that, it's like watching a slow-motion train wreck. I have opinions, but I'm done being upset about what happens. Even though I'm one who is on the desperate side of things.

No matter how much I may lose, I'm not going to let these jerks (politicians) and predators (corporations) make me crazy. I won't go there. I don't care about the predator-state's daily petty threats and their blackmail and their hostage-taking anymore. Shoot the hostages, I don't even care if it's me. They'll do it anyway, so why care or give them more on top of it?

Oh and yes, I'll show up if a movement coalesces. In answer to a newbie gen-xer's post I saw today - yes, there are still boomers around who remember how to do it. No, we're not all gone yet. All we need is to hear the right signal and we're ready to roll. And lots of us don't have much left to worry about anymore anyhow. It isn't time to give up hope, but it isn't time to freak out either. That won't help. As Churchill said, "We have not journeyed across the centuries, across the oceans, across the mountains, across the prairies, because we are made of sugar candy." (Amen to that. This is a long story we're playing out, 400+ years in my family, as with others here too.) Just pay attention and do what you can. But be ready for curve balls comin' atcha - they've thrown out the rule book, and they're wingin' it. So must you.

As Bob Dylan put it, "you don't need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d_ujAXxNxU0
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-11 04:28 AM
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Pisces Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-11 10:41 AM
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60. You are an idiot. Acting like a Freeper on this board also has consequences.
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DirkGently Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-11 05:21 AM
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29. The "fury" is not at leaders falling short of our goals, but the sense some don't share them, at all
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peace frog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-11 01:33 PM
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74. Not only do they not share our goals
they have the unmitigated gall to be annoyed that we don't ask "how high" when they tell us to "jump". The disconnect is so severe that I have grave doubts about Obama's re-election chances. What possessed them to think we would get on board at their command? UTTERLY CLUELESS.
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Denver Progressive Donating Member (97 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-11 05:25 AM
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30. The whole thing is sad.
I am still praying that Obama comes to his senses, but it seems like with each passing day I lose a little more hope. I keep the disappointment to myself, because what can I really say to my nephews who love Obama and celebrated with me on election night? They haven't asked any questions yet, but I sometimes wonder if they notice that their aunt doesn't go around raving about Obama all the time like she did in the good old days. It's a long way to go from praise to hardly a peep, but that's the road I've traveled. I can't imagine what I will tell those boys when they do start asking, except that this was not the way it was supposed to be. Because that's the only thing I know for sure. And to have to tell them that just makes me so. fucking. sad.
:cry: :cry: :cry:
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Babel_17 Donating Member (948 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-11 05:33 AM
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31. It's not that they haven't delivered
it's that they have disowned and ridiculed the process of trying.

K&R

P.S. Perhaps fear of primary challenges will light fires under the butts of those who take for granted the support of those who put them into power.

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peace frog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-11 10:30 AM
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59. They have no fear of a primary challenge
There may be grumblings and vague threats but there won't be a primary challenger.
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democrank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-11 05:34 AM
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32. Let me read that once again.....
" The truth is when you trade in your values for the hope of winning, you end up losing and having no values...so you keep losing."

The Democratic Party has lost it`s way and Democrats have allowed it. No....encouraged it.
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DRoseDARs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-11 06:31 AM
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34. I love how most people are pretending this only started AFTER Obama came to office...
Herp-a-derp, this "cold fury" had been building for a long time before then. Far larger issues underlie the phenomenon, but it seems the focus of this thread is the recent political theater in Washington. Candidate Obama gave many a sense that maybe, just maybe, things would change, that they wouldn't have to be infuriated by the weakness and cowardice of the Democratic Party any longer. Finding out that President Obama was just more of the same? Well, shit, that wasn't good. And the Sputtering Sycophant Symphony will twist themselves in knots trying to explain it away with But-This and But-That, to dismiss it as Pony-Wanting, or just out-and-out empty noise from right-wing plants.

It will never cease to amaze me the Human capacity to utterly forget the lessons of history. We really haven't changed much from the people we were millennium ago. It's all just so tiresome. And it's sad. The collapse that's coming is utterly avoidable because unlike our ancient ancestors we have much more written history to draw lessons from, but evidently the people driving want to play chicken with the cliff of history. It's not the first time a civilization has collapsed in spectacular fashion, it's not the hundredth, but it is utterly avoidable. Only this is the first time it will happen to a globally intertwined culture. Sure, we'll survive this one as we have survived every one, but good god must we even get to that point yet again? Racing at full speed, no less?

"Cold fury" indeed. Slow down a little so I can at least jump from the car and roll to a stop.
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Divernan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-11 07:19 AM
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42. "The 21st century is when everything changes." (Capt. Jack Harkness, Torchwood)
Edited on Mon Aug-15-11 07:21 AM by Divernan
Watch the new season, "Miracle Day" re governments & corporations bought off, & frightened people refusing to see or hear the evil around them, and doing whatever they're told: "I'm just following orders." "It's the law now."

Chilling.

I have middle aged and older friends who are extremely well educated, well traveled, politically sophisticated, life-long Democrats. They are in stunned disbelief at how American society, polity, education, health care and economy are crumbling and rotting away even more quickly under Obama than under Bush, and with no hope in sight regardless of whether Obama is re-elected or not.

I believe the Democratic party has to return the Trojan Horse and his true believer supporters back to the corporatists and moneyed interests whom he serves, before we can begin the herculean task of retaking and rebuilding the Democratic party.


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4dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-11 06:59 AM
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40. I will not be voting President Obama
SO you can count me out during the 2012 elections.

I am fed up and I will make that claim here.
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Joe Fields Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-11 07:40 AM
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46. I agree. I refuse to be a part of this wholly corrupted system, much like
I won't sit down to a rigged poker game. It is utter madness, and I won't won 't keep propelling it by being a part of it. I would rather sit on my hands and do nothing and watch a Michelle Bachmann or Rick Parry drag us down quickly. Why? Because the sooner we, as a nation hit rock bottom, the quicker we will rise up and turn this country around. What amazes me is that, as low as we are, we haven't reached our bottom yet. For all of the suffering, for all of the pain, we still haven't learned. I am not masochistic, by nature, but I wonder just how much more suffering we, as a nation must endure, before we collect ourselves and begin the revolution that is really needed. (a peaceful revolution, I pray)
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elehhhhna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-11 07:27 AM
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44. Wow. O & Biden talk more shit toand about US than they do to the republicans.
Won't be voting for then again.

And when they say "compare us to the alternative" -- boy, that's a lose shithead slogan if ever there was one. I doubt that McCain would have advocated effing SS and Medicare.
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kenny blankenship Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-11 08:24 AM
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49. I absolutely will not bury my anger. And at this point, where any promise about Change will be a lie
there is no cajoling or threats that will change my mind.
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Donnachaidh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-11 08:38 AM
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50. The *fury* is at getting played, and then being called whiners when we call THEM on their lies
"Look at the alternatives"

Kiss my shiny metal ass! The alternative is not as different anymore. And quite frankly, I'd rather be in a fight with the *alternative* than to be told to STFU and STFD by a candidate that flat out lies to get into office, and then does a total turn around and starts feeding the corporate masters instead of the folks that voted him in.

The *alternative* is a false argument, used by unethical politicians and their followers to retain power. It's old - it's antiquated. And when people realize it's not the big old scary thing they *claim* it to be -- they'll start throwing these hucksters the hell out of office.
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truebrit71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-11 08:50 AM
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51. In 2008 people voted FOR Obama..in 2012 people will be voting AGAINST whichever nutjob the gop pick.
...The irony of that fact will of course be totally lost on the WH as long as they get re-elected...if he loses it will be the fault of the liberals and the 'professional left'...:eyes:
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kayti Donating Member (3 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-11 10:10 AM
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56. dark horse
What if none of the loons now seeking to be the repub nominee makes it through the process and the convention chooses a sane republican gov ? That person would probably be elected.Don't get to worked up over the loonies that may never be the alternative to our dino pres. They may just come up with someone that will allow us on the left to sit this next one out without our heads exploding.
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bbgrunt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-11 09:46 AM
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52. k and r. my sentiments exactly. Fury doesn't begin to cover it.
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Autumn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-11 09:52 AM
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53. Now see this quote right here,
“Folks wake up! This is not some academic exercise. As Joe Biden put it, Don’t compare us to the Almighty, compare us to the alternative,” Obama said at a fundraiser in New York last week."


Perhaps someone needs to tell Obama that he really should give us an alternative to fucking vote for. What do we want, more of the same? If he is so eager to give the republican party so much of what they want what the hell is the difference.
I did wake up.
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cui bono Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-11 10:14 AM
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57. The tent is too big. We need a party that doesn't include the Republican mindset.
I'm not sure that is possible in this corporate and crooked world though.

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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-11 01:59 PM
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76. I agree.
This used to be my sig line,


The Democratic Party is a BIG TENT, but there is NO ROOM for those
who advance the agenda of THE RICH (Corporate Owners) at the EXPENSE of LABOR and the POOR.


until I realized that THOSE days were long gone.
There is a REASON why Organized LABOR does NOT give management a vote at their meetings.

John Edwards said it best.
"If you give them a seat at the table, they will eat ALL of the food!"
QED: Today's New Democrat Centrist Party



"There are forces within the Democratic Party who want us to sound like kinder, gentler Republicans.
I want a party that will STAND UP for Working Americans."
---Paul Wellstone


photo by bvar22
Shortly before Sen Wellstone was killed



"By their WORKS you will know them."


Solidarity!


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crim son Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-11 10:54 AM
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62. I "must" do nothing of the sort.
And I have no intention of being "on the ground" this time around.
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SteveM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-11 05:18 PM
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83. I agree, and a lot of people seem not to grasp this...
A campaign needs enough troops on the ground, not just money to hire "volunteers." If you don't have those folks out doing the campaigning, but only getting paid to door-hang and get you to "sign-on," the passion does not come through. Without that hazy notion of passion, feeling and idealism, you can spend all the money in the world and still lose.

And it can really be bad when enough (even a rather small minority) of folks start counter-demonstrating, forcing the Prez and his operatives to "compete" (hippy-punch) for a "middle of da road" independent that ain't there any longer, further risking further alienation and division.

I'm getting too old to get out and do much of this anymore, but it is inevitable that at a MINIMUM, the Democratic Party must be taken back from the DLCs, and re-form an ideology that goes after the Far Right, and offers something meaningful for voters.
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bertman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-11 11:02 AM
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63. My cold fury has resulted in my pledge to vote ONLY for a Progressive Democrat
in the future. President Obama certainly doesn't even come close to meeting that criterion.

REC. nt

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NoodleyAppendage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-11 11:37 AM
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65. Same here. Obama will feel my cold fury at the ballot box. I'm sick of his crap. n/t
J
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Honeycombe8 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-11 12:15 PM
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66. This post is too long. I wonder what the point of it is...what is says, in summation. Guess...
I'll never know.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-11 12:24 PM
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67. ....
Edited on Mon Aug-15-11 12:47 PM by madfloridian
Never mind.
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Daemonaquila Donating Member (413 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-11 01:07 PM
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70. "Can't Win" is a false dichotomy.
Many of us are sick of hearing that a true left candidate can't win. Well, it's true to the extent that they'll never win if the party never lets them run.

However, "winning" is a relative thing. The only thing we "won" with Obama is that we finally saw a black man become president. Now, I'm not sure that's a win any more - how much damage has he done for the next black man or woman who aspires to the presidency? Racism will link Obama's miserable failures to his blackness.

But now, I have to wonder what would've happened if Obama had lost. We would've been stuck with McCain and Palin, but likely would've had the Dem house and senate. Without having to fight their own surrender-monger president, would these legislators have given hell to McCain/Palin, rendering them mostly harmless and avoiding some of our current disasters?

What it boils down to is that I'm done with voting for the default Dem, when often the best the party hacks can come up with is "Vote for because otherwise will win!!!" That's no longer enough. The longer we enable bad behavior, the longer our nation will suffer. It's time to vote our hearts until the party finally gets it through its thick skull that DINOs and political whores are unacceptable.
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swilton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-11 01:08 PM
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71. Kilgore is as wrong about the source of the 'cold fury'
as he is that liberals are just going to march along to the voting booths and keep their mouths shut.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-11 09:40 PM
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86. You may be right.
We have always done it before, but times are changing. Livelihoods are being harmed greatly. People feel helpless. They are tired of trite political words.

You may be right.
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Hell Hath No Fury Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-11 02:38 PM
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77. My cold fury will be anything but "buried" next year -
Edited on Mon Aug-15-11 02:38 PM by Hell Hath No Fury
I find myself returning to "all-out-war" mode, this time against those within the Party. I will only fund, campaign, and vote for those who stand with the People and modern Democratic ideals. Everyone else can go screw themselves.

Hell Hath No Fury like a voter scorned....
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russspeakeasy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-11 03:52 PM
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79. From his different positions and attitudes, can someone tell
me how many times this guy has been bought and sold....in two years..:wtf:
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hulka38 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-11 04:26 PM
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80. The left doesn't have to do anything.
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a2liberal Donating Member (381 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-11 05:07 PM
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82. K&R (n/t)
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Marnie Donating Member (706 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-11 07:51 PM
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85. I am 66 and I am sick of hearing the Democratic core
tell me that the next election, this time the one in 2016, the party will get the right candidate, I promise we will.
Bull Shit.

The Dim leadership had a highly intelligent, decent human being, and liberal in Jimmy Carter (You know the Nobel Prize winning, Naval Academy grad, do gooder, Baptist deacon, and Sunday school teacher. Remember that yokel) so, the Democratic party spent more time attaching him than the Republicans did.

I don't know how many next presidential elections I will be around to vote in. So on the chance that 2012 is my last vote, I will vote for some one I actually want to be in the WH, even if I have to write their name in. Maybe Sanders, or Grayson, of any of a dozen liberal politicians who actually are liberal and have shown that they will actually fight for the American people.
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