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Tejas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-11 01:40 PM
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It's not the President's fault...yet.
I can see President Obama wanting to do the right thing, but I also understand he would need the right tools to do the job. So far, the tools he has been using are not up to snuff, they are not of the quality needed.

Geitner vs the debt problem.
Napolitano with her TSA debacle.
Holder facilitating illegal gun sales to Mexican drug cartels.

Would it be so wrong for the president to fire these people? I respect his initial decision to hire them in the first place, but would respect him 100x as much if he displayed the fortitude to replace them.

Seriously, no need for him to continue trying to just keep things together, an upgrade is in order.
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-11 01:43 PM
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1. if only Breitbart would accuse Geithner of something...he'd be out in 2 shakes of a lamb's tail
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CelticThunder Donating Member (460 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-11 02:17 PM
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9. Bingo!
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leeroysphitz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-11 02:22 PM
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10. NICE. n/t
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lame54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-11 01:45 PM
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2. not gonna happen
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Romulox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-11 01:46 PM
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3. It's insulting to the President to assume that his hand picked people don't represent his policies
Do you think that Eric Holder is a rogue A.G.? That Timmy Geithner implements economic policy with which the President disagrees? That Janet Napolitano operates in a vacuum, and the President can't pick up the phone and tell her to turn off the goddamned backscatter radiation machines? :wtf:

These people serve at the pleasure of the President. The only logical inference is that their service pleases him.
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Tejas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-11 01:50 PM
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4. It's ignorant to assume he hasn't had second thoughts since hiring them.
Myself, I sincerely hope those thoughts gather steam and he does the right thing.
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Romulox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-11 01:55 PM
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6. "Second thoughts" weren't the OP topic. "It's not the President's fault..." was.
It's been "his fault" since day one when he picked RW assholes for his cabinet, and it remains "his fault" every day they serve--at the President's pleasure.

The President "speaks" through the actions of his staff and cabinet. Respect the man enough to accept that he means what he says.
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Tejas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-11 03:48 PM
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16. Beg your pardon but I didn't want to
Edited on Sun Aug-14-11 03:49 PM by Tejas
blurt out an OP that would have everyone asking for Cliff Notes.

As a child in grade school, Kennedy was my model president (sorry, a better label escapes me, just trying to show you where I'm at), from PT-109 to securing our country from foreign threats such as the Cuban missile crisis...I believed, and still do, that he gave a damn about Americans no matter their walk of life.
I hoped Johnson could straighten out the Vietnam mess, that Carter could encourage America to care about their fellow human beings, and that Clinton would turn off the US war machine.

President Obama? Maybe I'm incorrect in thinking he has been letting those mentioned run with it BUT at the same time steering them in the right direction. Fast forward to the present, I don't believe for one second that he's 100% happy with the results he's been getting and will sit those mentioned down and straighten them out very soon. I'd like to think he can bring things to an even keel, and this is probably my ignorance showing, but as you can see I've thought like this about presidents past.

Again, if I'm being completly ignorant and am just plain wrong, then I'll take my whoopng, but the above is my version of the glass being half full.

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Vanje Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-11 02:22 PM
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11. Second Thoughts , My Ass!
Timothy Geithner has been trying to quit for months now. Obama begged him to stay on.
He agreed.

Obama's appointees are right winged , because he made right-winged appointments.
Obama aint no dummy.
Obama aint no Democrat, either.
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pocoloco Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-11 02:53 PM
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12. LOL
Try wishing in one hand and shitting in the other and see which
one gets filled up first!
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Tejas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-11 03:51 PM
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17. OUCH!
That hurt! Not saying you're correct but just trying to keep my chin up over here :)
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TheKentuckian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-11 01:53 PM
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5. I don't respect the selections and have nothing but disdain for keeping them
but it is absolutely Obama's fault. Who else fault could it be? These folks were hand selected and serve at his pleasure.

He selects the tools and tells them their missions. Inept weakness, poor judgment on personnel, and dogged refusal to control or be rid of bad tools is not a defense but rather a charge that is in many ways more damning than have no intent to do the right thing. Stubborn, stupid, weak, and lacking vision is not acceptable in a chief executive.
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Tejas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-11 03:24 PM
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13. I respect his process of delegating authority, that's how
the chain of command works and agree with the concept. Then again, maybe I've not kept my self informed enough as to his determination to keep these folks. Hopefully he'll reconsider.
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TheKentuckian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-11 06:34 PM
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19. He is still responsible for those under his command. You can delegate responsibility
and authority but not accountability. The only cushion you get is to change bum parts, you don't get to blame them and keep them in place.
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Liberal Veteran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-11 01:56 PM
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7. Just to be on the safe side, I blame the president for everything bad...
...while ignoring all else.

It's all very Herman Melville: He piled upon the whale's white hump the sum of all the general rage and hate felt by his whole race from Adam down; and then, as if his chest had been a mortar, he burst his hot heart's shell upon it.
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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-11 02:07 PM
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8. Bullshit. nt
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Harmony Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-11 03:25 PM
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14. Obama has chosen
compromise by picking very shady individuals to appease the right, and all it does is make the left just as angry at him as the right.
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Fearless Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-11 03:31 PM
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15. Obama just asked Geitner to STAY...
This has been his fault from the moment he did nothing on health care.
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awoke_in_2003 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-11 04:35 PM
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18. "the tools he has been using are not up to snuff"...
and Geitner, Napolitano, and Holder are tools that the president put in the tool box. I highly doubt they will be removed.
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