Just keep voting Democrat

[chillspike]

Whether or not a dem candidate or president is living up to your agenda, the longer we keep republicans out of power the weaker their party and the conservative movement will get. You're not going to see the change you want while the republican party still exists. Be patient. It will take multiple and consecutive Democrat administrations before the Republicans understand that they and their conservative movement are not wanted anymore. Don't be so quick to turn on your progressive if you don't get what you want from them in their first term. Odds are you won't get what you want until the Republican party is thoroughly routed and disbanded. We need to shrink their power until there is nothing in for anyone who wants to be a republican. And that means consistently electing Democrats over and over again until there is no Right left to pander to. This will take years but I promise you we will fucking destroy them. Granting our vote and then threatening to take it away has been tried. It doesn't work. It's just a political roller coaster that gets us always right back where we started with Republican D-bags in power.

Look at what FDR was able to accomplish with multiple consecutive terms. That's what we need.

Trust me on this one. We tried taking away our loyalty and not voting.

Let's forget about what our candidate is or is not doing for us for the moment.

Let's just use our Democrat and progressive candidates to beat the Republicans over the head with over and over until they realize there's no racket in beibg Republican, shall we?

I guarantee you if we consistently vote in force and unison and keep returning Democrats to power, regardless of what they are even doing for us, the Republican party and Conservative movement will shrivel up and die within 25-30 years (maybe less since they are already weakened).

Power is the food. Take away the food long enough and the animal dies.


Can I get an amen?

[CBHagman]

1. Amen.

Progress is generally incremental, and takes long, hard years of work.

Look at health care reform. Various presidents have tried for quite literally a century to pass something, but only incremental changes have been made -- Medicare, Medicaid. The thing is to keep moving forward. In that area, we are up against people who think medical care should be determined by the market. Scary stuff, and dangerous. So let's not expend our energy on squabbling amongst ourselves.

[chillspike]

4. I agree. Change does take a long time

But I think the mere presence of the republican party in the political spectrum is why change takes so long.

That's why I say forget about the change for a moment and let's just knock our political adversaries permanently out of the way.

[Fumesucker]

2. If the Republican party goes away that leaves a power vacuum in American politics..

A vacuum that the Democrats are already thinking about trying to fill, get rid of the Republicans and the Dems will stampede to fill their ideological shoes.

[chillspike]

5. Totally wrong

If the dems you speak of see it has failed republicans they will not they will not embrace a failing ideology.

[Fumesucker]

7. There will still be plenty of people in the USA who want to vote for a right winger..

Some politician will fulfill their expectations, if there is no Republican party then Democrats will start going ever further after those right wing votes.

[chillspike]

9. No they won't

Because without the help of fair weather progressives there won't be enough votes.

[Fumesucker]

12. One of the few positive things about getting older is that you gain perspective..

I thought after Nixon resigned in disgrace that Republicans would be banished to electoral Siberia for a generation.

I was young and dumb then, now I'm old and very, very cynical.

The right wing in the US is more resilient than any zombie or monster in a creature flick, they just keep coming and coming and coming.

[chillspike]

22. That's because we keep allowing them to be reelected

If you don't always vote your party, guess what? You may get another party.

[Fumesucker]

28. Tell it to the Reagan Democrats..

I was there, those weren't the progressive Democrats that were voting for Reagan.

[jwirr]

21. NO if they go away we for once will have control of all the branches

of government and we the people we not be sleeping. I for one am going to keep voting Democratic because I have little other choice.

[Fumesucker]

31. Someone is going to represent the point of view of the tens of millions of right wingers in America.

If it isn't the Republicans then it's going to be some other party.

The whole idea that the Republican party is going to shrivel up and die is just ludicrous anyway, the Republicans *own* talk radio and might as well own the M$M.

[bullimiami]

3. I will.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

6. I will. If the Democrat is the most progressive, anti-war, candidtate on the ballot.

[kentuck]

8. The one thing I would question in your thesis...

is that Republicans were able to regain the House just two years after the disastrous presidency of George W Bush. Why should we expect Democrats to get years and years to clean up the mess. You get two years and then, you may be gone. You had better damn well do what needs to be done in those two years or you might see the morons back in charge?

[chillspike]

13. That's the problem I'm addressing

They get voted because our expectations werent met and then the republicans regain power and the whole bullshit starts all over again.

My point is, don't expect anything. Just keep voting democrats in until the Republican party starve to death for lack of power.

And THAT will be the accomplishment. On ce they are out of the way permanently and no longer a political threat, who knows what will get done.

And besides, we tried it the other way of taking our votes away and sitting out elections. It doesn't work.

It's only fair you guys try it my way now. ;)

[kentuck]

24. But my point is..

they are not going to go away permanently. The election of 2010 should have proven that, so soon after a disastrous presidency. The premise is flawed from the beginning, in my opinion.

[chillspike]

34. It's only flawed if we don't consistently vote and vote Dem (nt)

[GSLevel9]

10. actually that's incorrect.

They are a much better opposition party than leading party.

[Capn Sunshine]

17. Bingo!

The republicans have always been great as portraying themselves as fighting the uphill fight. Every so often the stars align and they win.

What happens? They prove incapable of governing, due to their own perception that government is bad. They also prove they are just using the religious right. Their number one cash cow donor thing is Abortion. Did they repeal Roe V Wade? No. Did they try to ban abortion nationally? No. Just too much money in fighting it.

[justabob]

11. regardless of what they are even doing for us?

Good luck with that. No, sorry. I will not vote for anyone actively advocating making my life more difficult. I do not care what letter the candidate has behind their name.

[chillspike]

16. Oh, so you're going to be difficult are you?

Alright. :D

[justabob]

23. Yup

No reason not to at this point. :hi:

[scarletwoman]

14. Just curious, how old are you? Because I've been voting for Dems for over 40 years,

and all I've seen is the Republican party growing bigger and stronger and more malignant and the Democratic party moving further and further to the right and growing weaker.

The moneyed powers behind the Republican party have taken more and more control of our country, and they are on roll with all the momentum behind them. They have the power to frame all of the political and economic and social debates in this country and the Dems have gone along with their framing for so long now that we old time Democrats can't even recognize our party anymore.

Wake up to what is really happening and stop expecting electoral politics to solve anything. It doesn't work, it hasn't worked, and it's going to continue to not work.

sw

[chillspike]

19. How did FDR do it?

[scarletwoman]

25. That's a useless question,& if you knew the actual history of the FDR era you would know the answer.

And if you knew the actual history of that time you would also recognize that it was a completely different time with completely different forces prevelant and at work in the world.

Just the presence of Communism made it such a different world that comparisons to now are completely irrelevant. There was an actual Left in American politics back then. Workers were taking inspiration from the Russian Revolution. FDR showed up to save capitalism from the incipient socialism that was working its way into American consciousness.

[Scuba]

15. Baloney. If the Democratic candidates don't hold Progressive values dear, then my vote...

...will go to a real Progressive. Enough of the Blue Dogs and other DINO's.

[KOfan]

39. That'll show em'!

Not! We stand together or we will lose everything we have gained so far. That is not the strategy to win.

[Scuba]

43. Right. So let's stand together for Progressive candidates. n/t

[WillyT]

18. Einstein Might Disagree...

Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.

Albert Einstein, (attributed)
US (German-born) physicist (1879 - 1955)

Link: http://www.quotationspage.com/quote/26032.html

:shrug:

[chillspike]

20. I didn't say expect different results

All I'm saying is starve the Republican party for power.

[Romulox]

26. This is satire, yes? nt

[chillspike]

30. No

Why? Do I sound crazy?

[Romulox]

33. It's like dinner theatre--you have to "commit" to the bit throughout the performance.

"Why? Do I sound crazy?"

You sound like a parody.

[TheKentuckian]

27. If Democrats assimilate their policies, positions, and world view then

there is no victory nor incremental progress. There will be no need to pander to ones self.

Republican is just a word, what they stand for is the problem. What they do is the problem. We aren't combating the conservative movement but rather joining it.

No, a generation of relentlessly eating whatever shit is shoveled is not some kind of magic bullet that will end their toxic ideology. Well before that end time we will have become a nearly indiscernible entity and long forgotten why we opposed the Republicans other than the desire for power.

A complete abdication of principles, desperate real life needs, and goals in a single minded power grab, literally only for its own sake with zero accountability for what is done with the power other than gaining and maintaining it, in at best the ultimate dry powder scheme is not a winner. It doesn't even seem sane and is certainly not well thought out.

Voting party ID no matter what the party does or stands for is a religious like belief in the power of labels is seemingly mindless and played no small role in getting us right the fuck where we are.

Relentlessly voting for liberal policy will take down the conservative movement not adopting theirs and eagerly rubberstamping it. Your idea seems most likely to allow for the host party of the conservative movement to change.
Nothing will change until Reagan is repudiated, voodoo economics is tossed in the waste bin of history, shrink the pig nonsense is made a complete disqualification, and corporatism is rejected. Failing to go at the roots means that voting a party is of little consequence in the trajectory the country is on.

You and similar minds need to really get that what you stand for, who you follow, what your vision is, who's interests are paramount, and what you do trumps label to hell.
There is no gain in eliminating the TeaPubliKlans if we accomplish all they set out to do and it is our utter destruction to implement their failed and stupid ideas without even getting them to take part in the responsibility.

This is a fuckload of fail going full bore and down hill.

[chillspike]

29. Well, I'd offer a counter perspective but

but I'm not sure you'd be open to one. :D

[TheKentuckian]

44. Offer away. I'm not very convinced by "magic bullets" but offer away.

[kentuck]

32. Well said, Kentuckian!

It needs to be thought thru more thoroughly. :-)

[pecwae]

35. Damn well said!nt

[Octafish]

37. Amen.

Reverse Robin Hood already has a party, it's called "Republican."

[jimlup]

36. It is har to understand how a post like this ends up with 2 unrecs...

But I guess the trolls are hard a work.

:kick: and rec!

[PaulUdouj]

38. Take the beating and shut up!

I believe that blind loyalty has not only misled our party but made us all take a real beating from the Tea Party. "Shut up and Take Your Beating" is what this post should be titled. Well I'm not going to take one more ounce from the fools in the Tea Party. I have joined the TRUE GRIT DEMOCRATS who believe in an efficient government. They want to stream-line the military, post office, and prison system. Once I stood up as a TGD I was amazed at how the Tea Party followers realized they had only loaded their prepared rhetoric for Liberals and it did not apply to TGDs. We exposed them for not being for efficiency. All these years of taking a beating and now the Tea Party is retreating from the True Grit Democrats. It's a great day!

http://www.facebook.com/groups/197365236990167/

[readmoreoften]

If you think the Republican Party is going to disappear by people voting Democrat you're delusional.

The Republican Party makes money and controls much of US politics, even when it doesn't win the presidency or have a congressional majority. Voting for Democrats who tow the line along side Republicans makes Republicans permanent and jeopardizes the Democratic Party.

[ecstatic]

40. That's what I've been trying to say. The yo-yo effect does nothing for us

It only makes dems think they have to be conservative to get elected because the republicans consistently vote. If democratic officials perceive a true mandate, then that will empower us and encourage them to make progressive laws.

[chillspike]

45. Yes! Mandate!

That's the word I should have used! If Dems are consistently elected they will see it as a permenent mandate and will become bolder at asserting progressive policies. Exactly!

Thank you!

[bvar22]

41. "We tried taking away our loyalty and not voting."

Who tried that?
You?

Everybody I know from the Far Left Fringe (FDR/LBJ Democratic Wing),
worked their asses off,and VOTED.

Who are you speaking for?
certainly not ME.

"Let's forget about what our candidate is or is not doing for us for the moment."
Are you KIDDING?
What the candidate DOES or DOES NOT DO
is the only thing WORTH considering before casting a vote.



Who will STAND and FIGHT for THIS American Majority?
The California Progressive Caucus WILL!!!


You will know them by their WORKS,
not by their excuses.

Solidarity!
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[shellgame26]

42. Amen! nt