Hate to say it but it is a clear win for Darling in Wisconsin

[Tx4obama]

If you deduct ALL the votes from Waukesha County Darling would still be ahead.

Here's why...

Total of Wisconsin precincts reporting:
81 of 82 Precincts Reporting - 99%
Darling , Alberta (i) 39,471 (54%)
Pasch , Sandra 34,096 (46%)
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Waukesha County
Darling: 9,449
Pasch: 4,767

Totals with Waukesha County deducted
Darling: 39,471 - 9,449 = 30,922
Pasch: 34,096 - 4,767 = 29,329

Since there are more republicans in Waukesha County than democrats - there is no way Pasch could have gotten more votes than Darling in Waukesha County (that would have been the only way Pasch could have won), and as we can see with all the votes from Waukesha County deducted Darling would still have been ahead of Pasch.

;(


Source links:
http://www.jsonline.com/news/statepolitics/127331193.html
and
http://www.waukeshacounty.gov/uploadedFiles/Media/PDF/Elected_Officials/County_Clerk/Election_Results/20110809_recall.pdf

[nadinbrzezinski]

1. Given the HISTORY I want an outside audit

[SusanaMontana41]

2. Yup. n/t

[Umbral]

3. You should at least try to contain your elation, remember...

Winter is Coming and London is calling.

[Tx4obama]

4. What the hell are you talking about?

I'm as depressed as everyone else is about the loss in Wisconsin tonight.
I apologize if FACTS offend you.

[nomb]

19. It was a spot-on statistical observation, it was in the finest tradition of "Never Lie To Yourself."

No goal is served by ignoring reality - and the next battle is easier when we understand, absorb and reflect on the previous battle.

We may overall make better poets than soldiers, but don't knock the serious people for doing the heavy lifting.

[OHdem10]

5. Have they counted absentee ballots

[Tx4obama]

6. Good question.

Usually the precincts don't report their totals until the absentee ballots are counted and added into the total, right?
Or do they add the absentee votes in later?


Edited to fix typo.

[xxqqqzme]

9. Every state is different I guess

Absentee ballots are the first ones counted here in Orange County - or so says the Registrar of Voters.

[JDPriestly]

7. Hey! No matter what, Democrats have two more seats than

they did before the recall. It was well worth it.

We have to keep working to educate people and let the conservatives hang themselves on their own rope.

[Tx4obama]

10. I totally agree. n/t

[socialist_n_TN]

22. Not necessarily. Aren't there two Dem recall

elections next week? This could wind up as a net 0.

[Duct Tape]

8. Honestly,

I find that a bit off base.

How do we know that a good portion of republican voters didn't change sides and vote for Pasch? That was certainly the case for the other districts. Everybody on Ed Schultz's program kept pointing out how all of these districts voted for the teabaggers in 2010. Keep in mind, they said this throughout the recalls, including when Pasch had a lead.

I wouldn't be surprised if we found out that some republican votes were doctored or democratic votes from the republican population were withheld. I tend to lean more towards the votes being withheld, considering the high turnout throughout the districts.

Maybe I'm totally wrong, but I just thought I should give my two cents.

[Tx4obama]

11. I read earlier tonight that Waukesha County normally votes 65% republican

so I'd be really surprised if that deep red of a county would turn blue.
I think that is just wishful thinking.

[Duct Tape]

12. Maybe so, but this

isn't a normal election. Many people were disenfranchised by Walker's anti-union bill. I have a hard time believing that the county clerk, who's already helped steal an election, didn't have her hand in any part of the process. Speaking of the county clerk, the election she helped steal should have gone to a liberal, or at least left-leaning, judge. That's not normal according to the data.

Then again, there are a lot of morons out there. :crazy:

[Tx4obama]

13. So, you think the DEMOCRATS at the precinct level wouldn't have noticed missing votes?

Don't forget that there are republican and DEMOCRATIC workers at all of the polling locations - and since the votes are 'counted' at the precinct level it wouldn't be very easy for the democrats not to notice voter fraud.

I don't think that the workers at the precinct level would hide votes or doctor them since the democrats would be watching the republicans very closely.

p.s. The think I don't trust are the paperless electronic voting machines, it's too easy to rig 'em.

[Duct Tape]

14. Good point, but when

there's a lot at stake people will work very hard to get a result that is favorable to them. Consider the amount of money that went into it. John Nichols (The Nation) said that the Pasch-Darling recall may have been the most expensive election in U.S. history. A lot of money came from out of state donors. That combined with the decision coming down to a district who's record is very shady, is enough to convince me that we should at least be skeptical and take a look. It does seem hard to believe that any significant amount of votes could be withheld or doctored with Democrats around, but they "found" 14,000 votes in the election in April so it's certainly possible.

I absolutely agree with you on the voting machines.

[Tx4obama]

15. But they actually did NOT 'find those other votes' they were not lost - it was a tabulation error.

The ballots were counted at the precinct level, then The City of Brookfield sent in the correct number to the County Clerk.
The County Clerk made an error by not posting the numbers that The City of Brookfield had sent in.
The error was caught during the 'canvassing of the votes',
that is why there is always the 'canvassing of the votes' after the initial counting of the votes - to catch any tabulation errors.
The actual 'votes' were never missing (it was only the tally that was not added in), and the total The City of Brookfield sent to the clerk's office was their correct vote tally.
After the error was found the numbers that The City of Brookfield sent in was added to the grand total.

[Duct Tape]

16. This article seems

to counter the amount of votes that were/could be cast in Brookfield: http://www.politicususa.com/en/wisconsin-math

One thing is for certain, she is definitely not doing a good job. Apparently, even some Republicans have criticized her in the past.

Well, I guess it doesn't matter anyway because the Wisconsin Democratic party is not going to challenge the results.

I don't know whether to hope that people were really that stupid and that the whole thing was legitimate or that people have finally learned and that the system was just rigged.

Thank you, voters of Wisconsin, for successfully recalling two Republicans! :thumbsup: :patriot:


P.S. Tx4obama, you are very informed and articulate and I appreciate the fact that we were able to have a very fair and levelheaded discussion.

[Tx4obama]

23. Thank you for your part in our fair and levelheaded discussion :) n/t

[PeaceNikki]

20. Thank you

We had totals last night before they went to the county.

[elocs]

17. Thanks for words of common sense when we so often hear the refrains of election fraud

every time an election is lost. For any rational person, winning that seat would have been a very long shot.

[Greybnk48]

18. Does that analysis include absentee votes?

I thought those were still being tallied. If that changes the analysis to show that Waukesha gave Darling the win, I think an audit is in order as well.

[mysuzuki2]

21. I think the real fraud here is the way the district boundries are drawn.

Darling's didtrict goes from the East Side of Milwaukee noth through Ozaukee and Wahington cou ties and then west to Mequon and Menomonee Falls and the south again through Waukesha. While much of the southeast portion is liberal leaning it is also rather affluent and mostly white. In fact, the entire district looks like it is drawn with the express purpose of excluding as many minorities as possible.