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Taverner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-08-11 03:46 PM Original message |
Here's what I don't get. Capitalism HAS failed, but no one is willing to admit it |
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DURHAM D (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-08-11 03:51 PM Response to Original message |
1. What's your preference? |
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Xicano (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-08-11 03:56 PM Response to Reply #1 |
4. If it were up to me. |
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tama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-08-11 03:59 PM Original message |
Incentive for what? n/t |
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hack89 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-08-11 06:35 PM Response to Reply #4 |
40. That's not an economic system. nt |
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Taverner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-08-11 06:54 PM Response to Reply #4 |
50. "Merit" is highly subjective |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-08-11 04:04 PM Response to Reply #1 |
14. A HIGHLY regulaed mixed economy... |
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fascisthunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-08-11 04:23 PM Response to Reply #14 |
18. This, I agree with... |
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Capn Sunshine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-08-11 05:29 PM Response to Reply #14 |
32. I am in total agreement with you |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-08-11 05:52 PM Response to Reply #32 |
35. See it is possible |
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swilton (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-08-11 07:04 PM Response to Reply #1 |
54. It's foolish to accept the notion that capitalism/communism |
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JackRiddler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-08-11 10:49 PM Response to Reply #54 |
72. Yes. The other answer... |
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RKP5637 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-08-11 03:52 PM Response to Original message |
2. That's the bottom line, isn't it. Probably if we did not have a corporate controlled M$M there |
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Supersedeas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-09-11 09:31 AM Response to Reply #2 |
81. as long as you have the Biz Channel Chattering classes, there will always be |
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RKP5637 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-09-11 10:19 AM Response to Reply #81 |
82. I often see us headed toward a dystopian future wherein corporations and |
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Supersedeas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-09-11 10:28 AM Response to Reply #82 |
83. yep, the layers that you point out are already in place--if the masses get so fed up |
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Lindsay (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-08-11 03:53 PM Response to Original message |
3. For some people, it's a religion. |
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BeyondGeography (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-08-11 03:56 PM Response to Original message |
5. Keep your goals low and your overheads lower |
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alfredo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-08-11 03:57 PM Response to Original message |
6. No, it has succeeded. The rich have won. |
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leftstreet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-08-11 04:32 PM Response to Reply #6 |
26. +1 |
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readmoreoften (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-08-11 05:23 PM Response to Reply #6 |
29. +1 |
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FarLeftFist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-08-11 03:57 PM Response to Original message |
7. The ONLY thing that could save us now is a HUGE jobs program |
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tama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-08-11 04:06 PM Response to Reply #7 |
15. I don't see how and why |
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Taverner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-08-11 04:24 PM Response to Reply #15 |
21. Well, we need to repair our infrastructure, build bullet trains, rebuild the USDA and EPA... |
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tama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-08-11 04:40 PM Response to Reply #21 |
27. By all means |
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FarLeftFist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-08-11 06:50 PM Response to Reply #27 |
49. So you're saying Nationalization of industries for the betterment of our society? |
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Taverner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-08-11 10:36 PM Response to Reply #49 |
71. Yes. I. Am. |
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tama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-09-11 02:19 AM Response to Reply #49 |
73. Collectivize, commonize |
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alfredo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-08-11 05:21 PM Response to Reply #7 |
28. First off, capitalism hasn't failed us, it has turned against us. |
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tama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-08-11 03:57 PM Response to Original message |
8. Indeed |
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arcane1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-08-11 03:59 PM Response to Original message |
9. They've done such a great job at equating capitalism and democracy |
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Waiting For Everyman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-08-11 04:03 PM Response to Reply #9 |
13. I agree. |
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Starry Messenger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-08-11 03:59 PM Response to Original message |
10. I think a lot of people admit it. |
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yellerpup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-08-11 03:59 PM Response to Original message |
11. Okay, I admit it. |
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marmar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-08-11 04:01 PM Response to Original message |
12. We're in the Weekend at Bernie's stage with capitalism...... |
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MrDiaz (365 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-08-11 04:12 PM Response to Original message |
16. what other |
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Taverner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-08-11 04:21 PM Response to Reply #16 |
17. Personally, I'm all for Socialism |
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MrDiaz (365 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-08-11 04:23 PM Response to Reply #17 |
19. HONESTLY |
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Taverner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-08-11 04:25 PM Response to Reply #19 |
23. Because "Socialism" is an umbrella term |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-08-11 04:24 PM Response to Reply #16 |
20. A HIGHLY regulaed mixed economy... |
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Taverner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-08-11 04:27 PM Response to Reply #20 |
24. It did and it didn't |
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Cosmocat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-08-11 06:44 PM Response to Reply #24 |
44. That isn't the economy, it is the government ... |
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Taverner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-08-11 06:49 PM Response to Reply #44 |
46. Yes but in the end the government sets the economic policy |
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Cosmocat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-08-11 06:45 PM Response to Reply #20 |
45. PROPERLY regulated ... |
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Taverner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-08-11 06:50 PM Response to Reply #45 |
48. I think it does |
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tama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-08-11 04:30 PM Response to Reply #16 |
25. Define "our economy"? |
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liberal_mama (91 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-08-11 04:25 PM Response to Original message |
22. Escalation of Committment |
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Ilsa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-08-11 05:28 PM Response to Original message |
30. I agree. Pure capitalism concentrates wealth in the hands of a few, |
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Rex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-08-11 05:29 PM Response to Original message |
31. If we were just to bring back well regulated markets in the banking |
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readmoreoften (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-08-11 05:31 PM Response to Original message |
33. Capitalism will never fail capitalists. It is only failing the majority of humanity. |
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krispos42 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-08-11 05:32 PM Response to Original message |
34. Capitalism never fails because socialism always bails it out n/t |
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readmoreoften (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-08-11 05:54 PM Response to Reply #34 |
36. You must have a creative definition of socialism. |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-08-11 05:56 PM Response to Reply #36 |
37. That be mature communist |
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readmoreoften (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-08-11 06:11 PM Response to Reply #37 |
38. New Deal Keynesianism is simply over. You'd need a revolution to get it back. |
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krispos42 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-08-11 06:54 PM Response to Reply #36 |
51. Bank bailouts, the federal mortgage corporation, the CCC, |
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white_wolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-08-11 06:12 PM Response to Original message |
39. I'll think I'll jump in here and give my solution. |
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Shagbark Hickory (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-08-11 06:39 PM Response to Reply #39 |
42. I'd also like to see pay caps and some real estate reforms but you sure have my vote. |
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white_wolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-08-11 06:44 PM Response to Reply #42 |
43. What would you recommend for real estate reform? |
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Shagbark Hickory (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-08-11 07:00 PM Response to Reply #43 |
53. You don't want to know! |
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hack89 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-08-11 06:37 PM Response to Original message |
41. Why does it work just fine in Sweden and Norway? nt |
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Cosmocat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-08-11 06:49 PM Response to Reply #41 |
47. It isn't a "failure" |
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hack89 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-08-11 09:41 PM Response to Reply #47 |
64. I agree with you. nt |
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Taverner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-08-11 06:56 PM Response to Reply #41 |
52. Sweden has a hybrid system |
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hack89 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-08-11 07:24 PM Response to Reply #52 |
59. Socialism has never been popular in Sweden |
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Taverner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-08-11 09:29 PM Response to Reply #59 |
61. Who cares if it's popular? It works! |
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hack89 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-08-11 09:40 PM Response to Reply #61 |
63. It is not the socialist element of Sweden |
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Taverner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-08-11 09:43 PM Response to Reply #63 |
65. Call me crazy, but the part of Capitalism that works, is its Socialism |
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hack89 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-09-11 08:37 AM Response to Reply #65 |
74. So Socialism does not involve the public ownership of the means of production? |
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Taverner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-09-11 11:52 AM Response to Reply #74 |
84. It does - but that can mean many things |
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End Of The Road (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-08-11 07:12 PM Response to Original message |
55. It's not capitalism that's failed, it's ETHICS |
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white_wolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-08-11 07:16 PM Response to Reply #55 |
56. That is the nature of capitalism. |
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End Of The Road (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-08-11 07:21 PM Response to Reply #56 |
57. Plenty of examples of communism & socialism that failed |
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hack89 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-08-11 09:44 PM Response to Reply #56 |
66. So how did Sweden make it work for their people? |
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white_wolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-08-11 10:10 PM Response to Reply #66 |
68. Sweden and a lot of the other European countries have very strong social saftey nets, but the reason |
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TBF (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-09-11 08:44 AM Response to Reply #68 |
77. Yes - these were destroyed a few times in our history, and most recently |
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white_wolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-09-11 01:14 PM Response to Reply #77 |
86. CPUSA has sold out big time. |
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TBF (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-09-11 01:40 PM Response to Reply #86 |
88. They didn't try it because they don't support it. Obama is more into |
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hack89 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-09-11 08:50 AM Response to Reply #68 |
78. There are no major industries in Sweden that are public owned |
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white_wolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-09-11 01:09 PM Response to Reply #78 |
85. Norway has perhaps an even better safety-net than Sweden and they have a lot of government industry. |
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hack89 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-09-11 01:27 PM Response to Reply #85 |
87. The Socialist parties embraced capitalism in Sweden |
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TBF (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-09-11 01:40 PM Response to Reply #85 |
89. That's for sure. Plus a million. nt |
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Leontius (380 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-08-11 07:23 PM Response to Original message |
58. I have to disagree with you . Capitalism is a great success it |
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Trillo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-08-11 08:36 PM Response to Original message |
60. Money is addicting |
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Trillo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-09-11 09:18 AM Response to Reply #60 |
80. Capitalism, Communism, and Socialism |
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daleo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-08-11 09:34 PM Response to Original message |
62. It was never meant to work for the majority |
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ozone_man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-08-11 10:02 PM Response to Original message |
67. We have private profits and socialized losses for the banks and WS. |
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Vidar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-08-11 10:35 PM Response to Original message |
69. K&R. |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-08-11 10:36 PM Response to Original message |
70. Capitalism is a giant ponzi scheme. |
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TBF (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-09-11 08:41 AM Response to Reply #70 |
75. Exactly right. But people cling to their American "Dreams". nt |
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Javaman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-09-11 08:43 AM Response to Original message |
76. Not really. |
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blindpig (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-09-11 09:17 AM Response to Original message |
79. The ruling class would never admit that. |
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Initech (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-09-11 01:43 PM Response to Original message |
90. It's called denial. |
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