Make no mistake Du'ers! The "Super Committee" is SOLELY DESIGNED to give cover for the dismantling

[Vinnie From Indy]

of Social Security and Medicare. Sadly, this includes cover for Democrats. As sure as the sun rises each morning, the super committee will allow the likes of Pelosi and others to go back to their districts and plead that they are powerless to stop the assault on the New Deal. We are being played on a massive scale. I know many of you will attack me for this post, but I urge all of you to bookmark the thread because this is exactly what will happen. Also, do not expect any of the triggers to ultimately cut defense. Defense cuts will be removed from the triggers in short order leaving only the fundamental, crown jewels of progressive politics to be decimated.

Cheers!

[adhd_what_huh]

1. not so much

[polichick]

2. I suspect you're right - though hope you're not.

[EFerrari]

3. Super Political Cover Committee. n/t

[hlthe2b]

4. Obviously, that is the intent of some....

and it will come down to a fight for who is put on the committee and a fight against Obama, if he suggests he will sign a disabling piece of legislation. All we got was a very short reprieve and the fight continues.

Did anyone really expect anything else, given the billion of Dollars behind Koch and the other corporatists looking to dismantle any public safety net to increase their coffers? So, we continue the fight. What exactly, Vinnie are you suggesting to do?

[doc03]

5. McConnell already said it will be packed only with people that

signed the pledge to Grover Norquist. I don't see any other way it could go.

[hifiguy]

6. It's not a 100% chance that this will happen

but it is higher than 95%.

[in_cog_ni_to]

7. And notice they put the vote in the DEAD OF WINTER...in hopes of keeping people from protesting in

DC! Don't believe for one second it wasn't planned that way. They'll probably have the vote around the holiday time when the masses are too busy to care.

[CleanGreenFuture]

12. Not only that, Dec. 23, the Friday before Christmas Sunday, for all intents

and purposes, Christmas Eve. Just like the Patriot Act.

[in_cog_ni_to]

13. OMG...sinister.

There is no other word that fits. S-I-N-I-S-T-E-R!

[EOTE]

16. No, not sinister. Sinister is a word whose origins are based in heraldry.

And means "from the left". The word you're looking for is "dexter" or "from the right". The left wants nothing to do with this steaming pile.

[girl gone mad]

22. And the unlimited Fannie/Freddie bailout.

:puke:

[Whisp]

8. Karnak the Magnificent? is that you???

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XnwyQFe3wRA

[Firebrand Gary]

9. Bookmarked...SS is a non starter for me.

However Medicare tweaks and alteration Medicaid, I might go along with PROVIDED, (keyword provided) that somewhere in the Healthcare legislation that there are Medicare buy in features that are offset by set for the poor and working class.

Additionally, I don't see any possibility of a real deal without significant revenue increases. For the Democratic party to cave on entitlements in anyway and not receive revenues would be the unforgivable, and no argument would ever shield them from us. Period.

[jtown1123]

10. Exactly. Russ Feingold laid it all out quite well yesterday in his HuffPo piece n/t

[CleanGreenFuture]

11. "Defense cuts will be removed from the triggers in short order"

New DoD Secretary Panetta:

“We’re already taking our share of the discretionary cuts as part of this debt-ceiling agreement, and those are going to be tough enough,” Panetta told reporters in his first news conference as defense secretary. “I think anything beyond that would damage our national defense.” -- Leon Panetta, Secretary of Defense, August 4, 2011

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/defense-secretary-leon-panetta-warns-against-more-cuts-in-pentagon-budget/2011/08/04/gIQAWM8AvI_story.html

[brooklynite]

14. I won't attack you...I'll Unrec you

...for offering no evidence whatsoever.

[katnapped]

23. Yea that's it

Stick your fingers in your ears...LALALALALALALA CAN'T HEAR YOU!!!

[dtexdem]

15. Certainly set up that way.

Even if all the Dems stuck to Party principles, the committee would deadlock, so massive cuts would still be required.

The only answer is to take back the House and repeal the Super Death Panel.

[JDPriestly]

17. I have made it known that I will not vote for any member of Congress

who voted for the Super-Committee.

My representative did not vote for it.

Let your representative and senators know how their vote for or against this super-committee will affect your vote for or against them.

There is still time.

[shanti]

25. mine didn't either

thank you, doris matsui!

[Raksha]

18. K & R, and bookmarking as you advised.

I won't flame you because I've come to the same conclusions about the "Super Committee" that you have. I don't think we'll have to wait long to see your well-founded suspicions verified.

[johnaries]

19. Empty rhetoric. People said the same thing about the Fiscal

Commission. It didn't happen. It was bull then, and it's bull now.

[amborin]

20. K&R

[PoliticAverse]

21. The Whitehouse released a 'myths and facts' document about the debt-ceiling bill...

You can read the whole document here: http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2011/08/04/myths-and-facts-about-debt-ceiling-compromise

Included in the document is the following:

Myth: This deal cuts Medicare, Medicaid, and Social Security.

Fact: There are no changes to these programs included in the initial phase of this agreement. In the second phase of the agreement,
everything will be on the table – and the President has made clear that the committee must pursue a balanced approach where reforms
to programs like Medicaid, Social Security or Medicare would only be acceptable if coupled with higher revenues from the most fortunate.

[katnapped]

24. Yea, the White house would never lie

Got rid of those Bush tax cuts last December, didn't we?

[neverforget]

26. "acceptable if coupled with higher revenue from the most fortunate"

Is that like any debt deal should include a "balanced approach" unlike the cut's only deal we got?

http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2011/07/25/address-president-nation

<snip>
How can we ask a student to pay more for college before we ask hedge fund managers to stop paying taxes at a lower rate than their secretaries? How can we slash funding for education and clean energy before we ask people like me to give up tax breaks we don’t need and didn’t ask for?

That’s not right. It’s not fair. We all want a government that lives within its means, but there are still things we need to pay for as a country -– things like new roads and bridges; weather satellites and food inspection; services to veterans and medical research.

And keep in mind that under a balanced approach, the 98 percent of Americans who make under $250,000 would see no tax increases at all. None. In fact, I want to extend the payroll tax cut for working families. What we’re talking about under a balanced approach is asking Americans whose incomes have gone up the most over the last decade -– millionaires and billionaires -– to share in the sacrifice everyone else has to make. And I think these patriotic Americans are willing to pitch in.
<snip>

If past is prologue, we're fucked.

[Toltec Logic]

27. It is politics as usual...

Not only are we asleep at the wheel and have been
for a very long while, not even with the majority
in the House under Bush were we able to get around
these ass-hat obstructionist with their incessant
filibustering, and now the minority in the tea party
holding the whole country hostage in no small thanks
to political gerrymandering behind the scenes ie, see,
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
but we should know we can't use logic to reason with
crazy people who will stop at nothing to win, steal
and/or manipulate elections thanks to the Fox GOPTV
propaganda network going virtually unchallenged by the
so called liberal press in the major networks; its
all one big corporate oligarchy.
Red shifting voting machines should be the least of
our problems as we slip deeper into the greater abyss
of tyrannical theocracy; the long feared marriage
of politics and religion. Yea, I'd say we are pretty
much "Screwed" to reference one of Thom Hartmann's
books by that same title. Wittiness the union busting
in Wisconsin courtesy of 'Citizens United'. Obviously
the republicans would like nothing better than to
tank the economy so they can blame it on Obama
going into 2012, as has been their plan all along
imho. How many jobs bills have they put forth?


"You cannot negotiate with people who say 'what's mine
is mine, and what's yours is negotiable."
-- President John Fitzgerald Kennedy.