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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-03-11 01:05 PM
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False centrism and the rush to "bipartisanship". They are failing our party. Some quotes.
Edited on Wed Aug-03-11 01:06 PM by madfloridian
Some quotes from Howard Dean, R. J. Eskow, and Robert Reich. The quotes from Dean are from last year and from his 2004 book. He appears to have decided to support the administration policies now, but when he spoke out....his words were powerful indeed.

In June 2010 he said it was time for Democrats to behave like Democrats again.

Dean at progressive conference...Time for Democrats to 'behave like Democrats'

"You did your job," Dean added. "You elected Barack Obama. You elected a Democratic Congress. You elected a Democratic Senate. And now it's time for them to behave like Democrats if they want to get reelected. They have forgotten where they came from -- and they haven't been here that long."

Dean echoed other progressive leaders who opened the conference Monday, expressing dismay, even anger, at the White House and Congress, saying they have been too timid and compromising on issues such as health care, the economy, climate change and banking reform.

Dean said the progressive base is critical to Democrats' electoral successes this fall and beyond. "If Washington understands that they can't do things that demoralize their base," Dean said, "then we'll have a permanent (Democratic) majority."


It seems they have forgotten lately. I wish Howard Dean were still speaking out like that.

In Dean's book, You Have the Power, 2004...he referred to the use of "false centrism."

We have to reconnect to the base.

..."In recent years the Democrats, in our pursuit of big dollars, have neglected the people we're there to serve. We let our connection to our base atrophy and have forgotten, as they say in politics, who brought us to the dance. In service to a falsely named "centrism," we've sidestepped every major request from labor unions, especially on including worker protections in our free-trade agreements.

False Centrism


One of my favorites is R.J. Eskow of the Campaign for America's Future and Huffington Post. Instead of false centrism he uses the words "pseudo centrism."

The Failure of Pseudo-Centrism

We're still suffering from the massive failure of a radical, free-market-run-wild ideology that devastated the economy. The public understood that, so they gave the Democrats an enormous mandate to change economic direction. Yet just twenty months later conservatives scored a huge triumph, leaving Democrats with a choice: Continue to blur the distinction between themselves and their opponents, or lay out a clear agenda for job creation and economic growth.

Of course, that's been the choice all along. But the president and many other senior Democrats chose to take the advice of the "centrist" experts within their party by adopting unpopular Republican positions and getting nothing in return. After last night's rout, what are these experts advising? You guessed it: more of the same so-called "Centrism." That's an odd word to use for policies that most Americans oppose, like cutting Social Security or allowing bankers to enrich themselves by endangering the economy, but theirs is an Alice-in-Wonderland world.

Real centrists would defend Social Security and do more to rein in Wall Street, since those positions are popular across the political spectrum.
It's a good thing the president said today that he wants to spend more time with the American people. Bankers and the Deficit Commission aren't "centrists" where most Americans live.


Robert Reich through the years has painted a picture of a Democratic party with ineffective policies. He was in a position to know. From his book called "Locked in the Cabinet":

"The reviewer sets up the scenario by saying "Reich and his wife Clare, and Bill and Hillary go to Kinkaid's, an elegant restaurant on Pennsylvania Avenue. It's a good-bye dinner for Clare, who is going back to Cambridge with their two sons. Over dessert, Reich can't help himself."

.."'It seems to me,' says Clare, weighing her words carefully, 'that corporations are downsizing not only themselves but also a big part of the middle class.'

She's bailed me out. I want to kiss her on the spot. I throw caution to the winds and ask B, 'Would you be comfortable saying what Clare just said?'


Consider the words of Bill Clinton to Reich and his wife.

'I have to keep myself from saying it everyday,' he says softly. 'I shouldn't be out in front on these issues. I can't be criticizing.'

Locked in the Cabinet


The president can't be criticizing corporations and their actions that hurt everyday people? Strange thing to say. And now there is still no criticism of corporations...and look where we are headed. Same old same old still not working.

Reich had more to say in an interview with Speigel Online.

'Obama Failed to Connect the Dots'

SPIEGEL ONLINE: When you served in the White House, President Bill Clinton began on the left but drifted to the middle after the Democrats lost significant ground in the mid-term elections. Do you see that happening again?

Reich: I was there with Bill Clinton when he tried to so called "triangulate" and please the voters in the middle. But the middle is a fiction. The middle is simply where most voters who respond to surveys say they are. What Clinton did and what Obama may be forced to do is to give up leadership; that is, to simply respond to polls. I think it would be a shame if Obama moved from leadership to opinion polls, but his advisors may feel that that's the only way to guarantee him a re-election.


This last week has given many of us an almost desperate feeling. Things we thought were held sacred by our party are now up for grabs. Policies that are innate to Democrats are now on the table to be picked over by the right wing extremists.

I am thankful for those who speak out now, and for those who spoke out in the past for the people the party appears to be leaving behind....seniors, the ill, the disabled, the needy. The few who do speak out keep us from feeling so very much alone without a party that stands up for us.

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alsame Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-03-11 01:14 PM
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1. k&r
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FreakinDJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-03-11 01:15 PM
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2. And they didn't act like DEMs and got voted out in 2010
"You did your job," Dean added. "You elected Barack Obama. You elected a Democratic Congress. You elected a Democratic Senate. And now it's time for them to behave like Democrats if they want to get reelected. They have forgotten where they came from -- and they haven't been here that long."
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-03-11 01:24 PM
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3. You are right.
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FreakinDJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-03-11 01:30 PM
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6. I end up feeling like such a "Sucker" to the whole party
not just BO.

He may be president but he can't stand alone just like no senator can stand alone trying to close Corp Tax Loopholes. Maybe better put by Hilary's "It Takes a Village" in raising a child - "It Takes a Political Party" to reversing +10 years of Republican party legislation
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TheWraith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-03-11 01:33 PM
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8. The Dems weren't left enough, so people voted Republican? That's the highlight of absurdity.
It takes a special kind of cognitive dissonance to say that surging support for Republicans is evidence that people want a more extremely left-wing government.
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FreakinDJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-03-11 01:35 PM
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9. Wrong - the DEMs wern't Unified Enough
Edited on Wed Aug-03-11 01:57 PM by FreakinDJ
they fucking bickered like little children about every thing and couldn't put together 1 piece of significant legislation

they got what they deserved in 2010


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TheWraith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-03-11 03:54 PM
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17. No significant legislation? So we all imagined all that shit that got done?
Edited on Wed Aug-03-11 03:55 PM by TheWraith
Healthcare? Lily Ledbetter? Stimulus? Financial reform? Don't Ask Don't Tell? A hundred others?

People listening to the echo chamber forget that from 2009 to 2011, more got done than most Congresses or Presidents can usually hope for. There's a big gap between "Everything we could ever possibly want" and "total failure." "Not getting 100%" is still exceeding expectations if the average is 40 and you scored 80.
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FreakinDJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-03-11 11:25 PM
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26. Closing Tax Loopholes that Outsource American Jobs
The Bill was introduced twice before the elections of 2010 and Obama took significant political heat for defending it - but the DEMs wouldn't even let in out of committees they controlled.

The Bush Tax Cuts

Those 2 pieces of legislation would have ended this whole debate on Debt/Deficits before it even started
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jeff47 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-11 08:18 AM
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27. When given the choice between a Republican and a Democrat acting like a Republican,
the voters pick the real thing every time.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-11 08:50 AM
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28. I think the left did not so much vote GOP, as they just stayed home.
That's the real danger here. I don't know what 2012 will bring for us...but I do know we have stopped donations completely for now. Hubby and I are tired of the fact that seniors like us have been put under such stress wondering what is next with programs we always thought would be there.

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DJ13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-03-11 01:28 PM
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4. I think it would be a shame if Obama moved from leadership to opinion polls
I dont.

Every time he has angered his base he's also ignored opinion polls.

Single payer, the public option, HCR mandates, continuing Bush's tax cuts, putting Social Security and Medicare on the table for cuts, continuing the Bush wars, spying on US citizens, Guantanamo, and countless other times.

If he had been following the polls he would be the kind of President we were expecting.
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democracy1st Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-03-11 01:30 PM
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5. K & R thank you Mad!
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suffragette Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-03-11 01:32 PM
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7. Right in the zone with you
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russspeakeasy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-03-11 01:56 PM
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10. Thanks mad.....the word of the day is "pivot".
:argh:
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-03-11 03:43 PM
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15. Oh dear, not another word of the day.
:wtf:

I could make a huge list of words that mean absolutely nothing at all. "pivot"...who the heck thought of that one?? :evilgrin:
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sulphurdunn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-03-11 02:34 PM
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11. Words like "centrist"
non-partisan, bi-partisan and moderate are just synonyms words for "rightist".
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-11 10:14 AM
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29. I am so sick of bipartisanship. I hate that word.
Just like I hate the word centrist.
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-03-11 02:39 PM
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12. the middle is not even where most voters say they are unless the poll question is that vague
on specific issues like health care reform, trade, regulating Wall Street, and others, the majority of Americans are far to the left of their elected representatives.
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ctsnowman Donating Member (58 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-03-11 08:23 PM
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21. Bingo.
Nail it.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-11 11:12 AM
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30. Some polls use the word "moderate" which really sounds good.
When they do that along side liberal a lot of people choose it. It sounds so just right. Many hesitate to call themselves liberal when asked on polls. I now freely use the word liberal.
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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-03-11 03:23 PM
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13. I'm tired of trying to speak truth to power--They aren't listening
It's time to go back for the People Power. When all you have is numbers, then you got to use them, and they will get hurt. But the alternatives are closed down. Because the government has forgotten: of the People, by the People, for the People.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-03-11 06:08 PM
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20. I don't think they are listening either.
I wish they were.
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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-03-11 03:25 PM
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14. they aren't failing, they are sabotaging our party
and with it the majority of american's well being. Time for me to gear up my political illustration work again to expose this BS. I will work to the bone to get rid of these corporate whores.
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KG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-03-11 03:51 PM
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16. bipartisanship = collusion
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-03-11 08:54 PM
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22. And a one party system.
Right after the election they started using the words "post partisan" which in my mind means one party.

And what we have then is no one to stand up for our side....
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swilton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-03-11 04:12 PM
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18. I like Howard Dean
But if he can't speak out now, he never will - I'm not considering him on my short list of true progressives I would like to challenge President Obama....

I consider Reich as future cabinet material.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-03-11 05:21 PM
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19. I think he made his decision not to question party policy.
And that in effect pretty much silences him.
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markpkessinger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-03-11 09:02 PM
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23. I've been saying it since December 2010
Here is a piece I wrote back in December, just after the President's disastrous give-away on the extension of the Bush tax cuts: http://open.salon.com/blog/markpkessinger/2010/12/12/the_mythical_independent_middle

In addition, Joan Walsh has an article on Salon that covers similar territory: http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/joan_walsh/politics/2011/08/02/will_independents_like_debt_deal/index.html

Ms. Walsh's article makes reference to still another article by Ruy Teixeira at The New Republichttp://www.tnr.com/article/politics/93041/obama-independent-voters[br />
And Mr. Teixeira's article refers to an article at CenterforPolitics.org by Alan I. Abramowitz: http://www.centerforpolitics.org/crystalball/articles/aia2011070702/

One wonders if the Obama political team will ever take heed ...
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-03-11 09:29 PM
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25. "feed, water, give adequate sunshine and talk nicely to the progressive constituency"
I like that part.

It seems for years they have failed to talk nicely to us...in fact just the opposite.

Nice article, and thanks for the link to the Marist poll.

From Dec.

"Well, folks, guess which group's approval of the President remained virtually unchanged as a result of his rightward capitulation: that's right, INDEPENDENTS. The ratings among independents were 39% favorable and 52% unfavorable. A month ago, the same group's ratings of the President were 38% and 54%, respectively. On the other hand, his favorable rating among Democrats dropped nine percentage points, from 83% to 74%, and among liberals from 78% to 69%, while his unfavorable rating among Democrats nearly doubled from 11% to 21%, and among liberals from 14% to 22%."

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dana_b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-03-11 09:08 PM
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24. I'm thankful for them too
I don't always agree with anyone but generally I believe that these folks have their hearts/minds in the right direction. I am not so sure about the actual legislators.
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