Unenthusiastic About Voting for Obama Next Year?

[BlueDemKev]

Can't blame you. The debt deal that was crafted does suck. However, every time I think of the alternative, today's conservatives, my enthusiasm for supporting Obama's re-election soars again.

Take a look at this video. Watch the guy (in glasses) from 6:48 to 8:48....the epitome of today's "American Right".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D5qdaJcgHGw

[Cleita]

1. I'll vote for him but I stopped caring really about what's

going to happen. Washington is broken and we, the people, are going to have to start working at a local and state level to get a functioning society.

[LynneSin]

2. I'm a bit unenthusiastic voting for him in the primaries

but when the general elections roll around I will be very enthusiastic to elect him or whomever the nominee is.

Because the other choice in the general election is simply not an option!

[maryellen99]

3. Right now yes

[Lasher]

4. You have a point but that's not much of a rallying cry.

So far only one person, Randal Terry, has declared his candidacy against Obama in the 2012 Democratic Primary. I hope some more join the fight.

[BlueDemKev]

7. WHAAAAAT???

Randall Terry? That nutcase who founded Operation Rescue? A Democrat? You've got to be kidding!!!

[Lasher]

44. I didn't endorse Terry, I merely wanted to point out Obama is not running unopposed in the Primary.

Hopefully others will join in. It's good to have choices.

[BlueDemKev]

46. I know you didn't mean to endorse Terry

It's just that it's been so long since I even thought about that lunatic. He's actually going to run as a Democrat??? After all that praying he did 20 years ago asking God to send all of us Democrats to hell? Imbecile.

[Lasher]

47. A fair assessment.

[treestar]

5. Why does this deal suck more than a default?

Continuing to say "it sucks" without explaining that it just shit stirring.

[Armstead]

9. Its better than a default -- But that was not the only alternative

[BlueDemKev]

10. It's better than a default, however....

...it's disappointing that the president did not hold out for a better deal. I know he's a nice guy and wanted to show everyone that he can work even with the most unreasonable people, it's just disappointing that he didn't stick to his guns a little more. That's all.

[treestar]

15. Just saying he could have "held out for a better deal" is so easy

With the date of Aug.2 coming up, how was holding out possible? And how might that not get the Rs even more stubborn? They did NOT have to raise the debt ceiling. They could have just done nothing, no bill.

These people may be "unreasonable" but they were voted in with a majority. Thus the country at large does not consider them "unreasonable."

This is not about being nice or tough and all that language is just lazy.

No one using it could have gotten a better deal by being "mean" or "tough."

So unrealistic. It's like just having a mean President is all we need. No, we need a Democratic House.

[sad sally]

39. Just like the TARP theft, we'll never know what could have happened,

but yippee! a deal was stuck in time for the Circus and the Ringleader to go on vacation and also to do some serious campaigning.

Come on, worried Americans, this President and this Congress really care about you - they'll have their best speeches and campaign ads ready to tell you how hard they're working for you come September.

[daa]

33. Wrong choice - use the 14th amendment Don't buy that default

or else.

[Warpy]

6. I was unenthusiastic in 2008

and I will be equally unenthusiastic in 2012. However, we know the GOP will run a nightmare ticket, probably Mittens (it's his turn) paired with some teabagger bible beater to pull in the moron vote.

I've spent my entire life wanting to vote for a president instead of only against an idiot Republican. I'm running out of time, folks.

[Armstead]

8. The problem is not partisans who will vote anyway....It's those swing voters

Obama has given away anything he might have had to sell them on the idea that electing a Democrat is much different than a Republican -- Especially a slick suit like Romney.

And, in bad times, given the choice between the familiar same-old and a new shiny suit, they'll go for the suit, sorry to say.

[napi21]

11. I heard a coment on KPOJ this AM re: the diff. between Dems & Pugs.

When the Pugs are displeaesed about what their legislators (or the Dems) are doing,, they get MAD and ALL VOTE to make a change. When the Dems are displeased, they hang their heads, go pout in the corner and STAY HOME! I never heard it verbalized befor, but it's TRUE!

We need to change that! If we're as pissed as we say we are, we all need to go vote to change things! Vote those damn TBers OUT! We've mostly eliminated the Blue Dogs, and now we need to vote more real Dems into the House & Senate to take back control of the entire Fed. Gov't and reverse all this BS these nutballs have pushed through. I don't live in Florida, but I'm sending what I can to Alan Grayson. We need a lot more like him!

[daa]

36. How can you say that? We got bad, banded together and

elected a majority in the House, 60 in the Senate and the Presidency. So vote in WHAT? Obama would be useless with 90 Senators. He would still need 2 of the 10 republicans to be bi-partisan.

Its hard to get more than 60 and they squandered on that gang of 6 or whatever bullshit Reid pulled.

We did what the tea party did. We elected huge majorities compared to them. Our legislators screwed us.

[napi21]

41. We didn't have a real majority! We had way too many blue dogs

to claim a majority. i admit, we voted most of the blud dogs out last time, but far too many of us stayed home instead of voting in the mid terms and look what we got!

Even Alan Grayson said that he lost because the Dems were pissed off and just stayed home. Surely you're not going to claim Alan let us down?

[Ganja Ninja]

12. A weak and pathetic argument for supporting Obama.

Yeah sure the brainwashed tea party turds are a bunch of assholes. Tell us something we don't already know. If we can't come up with any better reasons for re-electing this president then he should step aside and let the party nominate someone else. He doesn't have to be the only alternative. He's going to drag the Democrats down in 2012 if the party sticks with him.

[hobbit709]

13. If he's the nominee, I'll vote for him.

As far as "enthusiasm" goes-not a whole hell of a lot.

[peace frog]

14. I'm unenthusiastic, but for a different reason

These *friendly reminders* that the alternative to Obama is just too horribly awful to contemplate so of course we're all going to vote for him in 2012, right? right?? are unnecessary and a bit insulting, as though we are low-IQ children who must be constantly prodded to do the right thing. Here's a friendly reminder to you: We are all too painfully aware that the alternative to Obama as POTUS is unacceptable and potentially dangerous (particularly in the case of Bachmann). No cajoling or scare tactics are necessary so please stop.

What really galls me, however, is the fact that the WH is also acutely aware that liberals fear a GOP POTUS, and they are smugly confident in counting on this fear to put their man back in the WH in 2013. So smug, in fact, that they don't deign to show concern for liberal interests in any way. We're in the bag, no need to address liberal desires, we're too afraid of the alternative to vote for anyone else. It's galling and disrespectful to Obama's base, but there it is.

Back to your regularly scheduled programming.

[daa]

16. There are really only ever two votes yes or now

Now what is the difference is Sharon Angle votes yes (although maybe she as a no) or Harry Reid votes yes? Or if Romney signs the bill or Obama?

Look the polls were overwhelmingly with us on public option. They are overwhelmingly with us on tax increases and protecting the big 3.

So what is the difference the way the dems have governed the last 2 1/2 years vs if the tea party?

[eilen]

18. I guess the Republican president will likely sell off

our national parks to oil companies or something to pay the bills. The most objectionable policies Bush is hated for are still continued and strengthened by Obama's administration (Wars, Tax Cuts, Homeland Security/Patriot Act/FISA, Blatant preference to the Corporations and Banks over people, NCLB/RTTT).

[dtexdem]

17. Not just unenthusiastic, downright doubtful about it.

But unless he does something more incredibly reactionary (which is very possible), I would likely vote for the lesser of two evils.

[Canuckistanian]

19. Just keep thinking..."Supreme Court nominees"

That should be the one last thing to consider before deciding to stay home in 2012.

[katnapped]

38. You mean the pro-business conservative?

Don't kid yourself thinking he'd nominate anyone else.

[TheKentuckian]

43. I'm starting to get visions of an Anthony Kennedy type nomination with the usual

we don't have the votes excuses, especially if we can't hold the Senate which is not some doomsday scenario considering what seats are in play this cycle.

Saying that at least it isn't an Alito won't cut the mustard. You can't go into that kind of hole in faith and we've just seen this same President throw up his hands or roll over and actually appointed Republicans with the fig leaf that one of them is gay, which means shit to me since some of the worst reactionaries are gay. Even if they aren't the absolute worst they are still some measure of absolutely batshit because they identify as TeaPubliKlan in this day and age.

I'd let the posts rot before I put a puke on the bench and I don't give a damn what their Senators say, they'd have to meet me somewhere in the middle.

I don't trust the man to make stands and Supreme Court nominations with the current opposition means knock down and drag out to even move them off of no.

[blkmusclmachine]

20. "Thank you, sir. May I have another?"

n/t

[Mr Dixon]

21. IMO

OBAMA has my Vote, i never thought he could fix everything, but i never knew so many Rednecks could be so easily mislead, tragic.

[bowens43]

25. he didn't even attempt to fix things. He caved from day one. nt

[caledesi]

32. I agree! nt

[Larkspur]

22. I'll vote for him because the Supreme Court will probably have 2 vacancies to fill

in the next term and at least Obama's moderates are against total Corporate rule; whereas, the Rethugs are for Corporate Feudalism.

[daa]

37. So he will appoint more pro business supremes? nt

[BlueDemKev]

42. Your choice.....

....Ruth Bader Ginsburgs or more Samuel Alitos?

Gosh, what a TOUGH decision...I'll have to sleep on it!

:dilemma:

[H2O Man]

23. One might consider

the possibility that there are more than two choices in life.

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[LWolf]

26. Pssst....

I understand your point, but I have to tell you:

The lesser evil talking point doesn't work when the lesser evil cares more about working with Republicans to advance their causes than traditional Democratic values.

It just doesn't.

Come up with something else.

[RebelOne]

27. If by some wild chance, Dennis Kucinich runs

I would vote for him over Obama.

[Marr]

28. Another sharp campaign from the Abusive Husband school of advertising.

Somehow, I don't think just "not Republican" is going to be enough this time around.

[Taverner]

29. Obama sucks less! Obama sucks less!

Yes, I'll vote for him

But honestly, this is getting real old

This country needs an enema...

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

30. Unenthusiastic? That's putting it mildly.

"I never submitted the whole system of my opinions to the creed of any party of men whatever, in religion, in philosophy, in politics, or in anything else, where I was capable of thinking for myself. Such an addiction is the last degradation of a free and moral agent. If I could not go to heaven but with a party, I would not go there at all." Thomas Jefferson to Francis Hopkinson, 1789.

"Were parties here divided merely by a greediness for office,...to take a part with either would be unworthy of a reasonable or moral man." Thomas Jefferson to William Branch Giles, 1795.

“Always vote for principle, though you may vote alone, you may cherish the sweetest reflection that your vote is never lost." John Quincy Adams

[dembotoz]

31. 2 questions really 1 would your vote for, 2 would your work for

1 if he is the person on the ballot i will vote for him

2 am i planning to devote my life to getting him re elected.
Not at this time. i could/would work for other dems elsewhere on the ticket

[nadinbrzezinski]

34. Lessees of two evilism I see

[FarLeftFist]

35. Regardless, it's terrible that people have to use defensive voting.

We're voting to KEEP THEM OUT instead of keeping someone in. Sad state of affairs.

[Marrah_G]

40. Awesome campaign slogan

"At least I use lube"

[ohheckyeah]

45. A lot can happen between now and the election

and right now people are angry and frustrated and the constant vote for Obama because the alternative sucks is really not helping anything. For the most part it just pisses off the people more who are angry and frustrated. Let people vent and worry about the election a little closer to election time.

[gristy]

48. I will not vote for him. I will not be part of this charade any more.

That's how I feel right now, anyways.