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UTUSN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-11 09:51 PM
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FDR was called "a tool of Wall St" by Father COUGHLIN. Just saying.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Coughlin

Father Charles Edward Coughlin


October 25, 1891 – October 27, 1979) was a controversial Roman Catholic priest at Royal Oak, Michigan's National Shrine of the Little Flower Church. He was one of the first political leaders to use radio to reach a mass audience, as more than thirty million tuned to his weekly broadcasts during the 1930s.<2> Early in his career Coughlin was a vocal supporter of Franklin D. Roosevelt and his early New Deal proposals, before later becoming a harsh critic of Roosevelt as too friendly to bankers.<3> In 1934 he announced a new political organization called the "Nation's Union of Social Justice." He wrote a platform calling for monetary reforms, the nationalization of major industries and railroads, and protection of the rights of labor. The membership ran into the millions, resembling the Populist movement of the 1890s.<4>

After hinting at attacks on Jewish bankers, Coughlin began to use his radio program to issue antisemitic commentary, and later to rationalize some of the policies of Adolf Hitler and Benito Mussolini.<5> The broadcasts have been called "a variation of the Fascist agenda applied to American culture".<6> His chief topics were political and economic rather than religious, with his slogan being Social Justice, first with, and later against, the New Deal. Many American bishops as well as the Vatican wanted him silenced, but it was the Roosevelt administration that finally forced the cancellation of his radio program and forbade the dissemination through the post of his newspaper, Social Justice.<7> ....


Coughlin's support for Roosevelt and his New Deal faded later in 1934, when he founded the National Union for Social Justice (NUSJ), a nationalistic worker's rights organization which grew impatient with what it viewed as the President's unconstitutional and pseudo-capitalistic monetary policies. His radio programs preached more and more about the negative influence of "money changers" and "permitting a group of private citizens to create money" at the expense of the general welfare of the public.<11> He also spoke about the need for monetary reform based on "free silver". Coughlin claimed that the Depression was a "cash famine". Some modern economic historians, in part, agree with this assessment.<12> Coughlin proposed monetary reforms, including the nationalization of the Federal Reserve System, as the solution.

Among the NUSJ's articles of faith were work and income guarantees, nationalizing "necessary" industry, wealth redistribution through taxation of the wealthy, federal protection of worker's unions, and decreasing property rights in favor of the government controlling the country's assets for "public good." ....

When he began criticizing the New Deal that year, Roosevelt sent Joseph P. Kennedy and Frank Murphy, both prominent Irish Catholics, to try to tone him down. Ignoring them, Coughlin began denouncing Roosevelt as a tool of Wall Street. Coughlin supported Huey Long until Long was assassinated in 1935, and then supported William Lemke's Union Party in 1936. As Coughlin turned into a bitter opponent of the New Deal, his radio talks escalated in vehemence against Roosevelt, capitalists and "Jewish conspirators". He was initially supported, and later – after turning on Roosevelt – opposed in his efforts by another nationally known priest, Monsignor John A. Ryan.<16> Kennedy, who strongly supported the New Deal, warned as early as 1933 that Coughlin was "becoming a very dangerous proposition" as an opponent of Roosevelt and "an out and out demagogue." Kennedy worked with Roosevelt, Bishop Francis Spellman and Cardinal Eugenio Pacelli (the future Pope Pius XII) in a successful effort to get the Vatican to silence Coughlin in 1936.<17> In 1940–41, reversing his own views, Kennedy attacked the isolationism of Coughlin.<18> ....

References in popular culture


* Coughlin was mentioned in a verse of Woody Guthrie's pro-interventionist song "Lindbergh": "Yonder comes Father Coughlin, wearin’ the silver chain, Gas on the stomach and Hitler on the brain."
* Coughlin was attacked in 1942 cartoons by Theodor Seuss Geisel, best known for his children's books written under the pen name of Dr. Seuss.<29>
* Sinclair Lewis's 1935 novel about a Fascist coup in the USA, It Can't Happen Here, features a "Bishop Prang", an extremely successful pro-Fascist radio host who is said to be "to the pioneer Father Coughlin"..."as the Ford V-8 (was) to the Model A".
* The producers of the HBO television series Carnivàle have said that the character of Brother Justin Crowe was inspired by Coughlin.<30>
* In the fictional work The Plot Against America, author Philip Roth uses Coughlin as the villain who helps a pro-fascist government.
* Sax Rohmer's 1936 novel "President Fu Manchu" features a character based on Coughlin, a Catholic priest and radio host who is the only person who knows that a criminal mastermind is manipulating a U.S. presidential race.
* Cole Porter referenced and rhymed "Coughlin" in his 1935 song "A Picture of Me Without You" (in the fourth refrain): "Picture City Hall without boondogglin', picture Sunday tea minus Father Coughlin."
* Coughlin's influence on American antisemitic organizations in the 1930s and 40s is referenced in Arthur Miller's 1945 novel Focus
* In the MASH episode "The Bus", Frank Burns claims that during his sophomore year he lost a debate to a Jewish fellow student by the name of Helen Rappaport. The topic of the debate was "Should Father Coughlin become our next President?"

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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-11 09:53 PM
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1. When the Far Left & Far Right meet, it's a freaking ugly place. Most of the Reactionary Screamers
Edited on Tue Aug-02-11 09:53 PM by KittyWampus
sugar coat FDR too. AND if they were around back then they would have wanted to torpedo Social Security because it didn't cover blacks. Like the HCR that Obama managed to push through, for some it's either all or nothing.
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LaydeeBug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-11 09:54 PM
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4. Ah yes, this steaming pile of shit is really a chess piece...it's a "step in the right direction"
actually, it isn't even that. :eyes:

Don't you just wish he'd be a DEMOCRAT?
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-11 09:56 PM
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6. Apparently you don't understand politics. It involves opposition. And since you can't go directly
forward in the face of a strong headwind, you have to tack to the side.

Obama is a Democrat. He's moved us forward slowly to the Left.
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villager Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-11 10:15 PM
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25. Oooh -- Obama's gonna start "opposing" things the Republicans do now!? Really!?
Pins and needles! ;-)
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LaydeeBug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-11 09:53 PM
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2. Oh, then well Father Coughlin would be calling Obama an Disaster Fascist.
For real.
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Gold Metal Flake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-11 09:53 PM
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3. What's your point?
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-11 09:54 PM
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5. Extremists on the Left and Right sound a lot alike?
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Gold Metal Flake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-11 10:02 PM
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10. Perhaps the original poster can speak for himself.
I'm willing to let him try.
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Armstead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-11 10:02 PM
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11. Define extremist of the left?
Aside from the obvious window smasher types.

Inquiring minds want to know
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Warren Stupidity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-11 11:01 PM
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32. people defending social security and medicare?
that has now become an extreme left wing position.
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Armstead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-11 11:26 PM
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35. I guess LBJ would be considered a Commie today by some Democrats
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myrna minx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-03-11 01:06 AM
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36. So those that are frightened about the potential slash in funds to care for
Edited on Wed Aug-03-11 01:11 AM by myrna minx
their aging parents are now akind to Father Coughlin and his anti-semitic extremists? Wow. This is a new low.

Oh that's right - the "screamers" among us who advocate for the poor and elderly are such a pox on your house.
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-03-11 07:02 AM
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45. +++
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myrna minx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-03-11 08:53 AM
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48. This thread is surreal. It's a new low. n/t
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UrbScotty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-11 09:59 PM
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8. Perhaps that Obama wasn't the first Democratic President to be ridiculed for being too conservative
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Gold Metal Flake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-11 10:03 PM
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12. Another on who thinks the original poster needs help answering questions.
Helpers or handlers?
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UTUSN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-11 10:07 PM
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18. My points are seldom so complicated that they need much explanation.
Is it really necessary to spell out the criticism of our current Democratic president as being referenced?!1



(And I don't resort to personal slurs of my fellow DUers.)
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-11 10:12 PM
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UTUSN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-11 10:15 PM
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24. There you go!1 n/t
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JNelson6563 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-03-11 09:20 AM
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50. lolz
*pointing and laughing*
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UrbScotty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-11 09:58 PM
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7. Interesting. How many people would say that about him today?
Likewise, I bet many people who have less-than-kind feelings about Obama now will one day come to look at him as an extraordinary leader.
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villager Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-11 10:00 PM
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9. FDR gave us the New Deal. Just saying.
n/t
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NYC_SKP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-11 10:05 PM
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15. FDR had 395 Democrats in Congress. (only 124 Rs) Obama's got only 244 Dems.
Just sayin'.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

FDR's 1935 (74th) Congress:

Senate--

....Dems: 73

....Reps: 21

House--

....Dems: 322

....Reps: 103


.

.
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PufPuf23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-11 10:06 PM
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17. and the time of greatest prosperity of growth of civil rights
in the aftermath (up until Reagan) and was great rather than a failed "War" POTUS.

Look at wiki for the New Deal and 2nd New Deal programs under FDR. Policy is simple. Corruption rules now.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-11 10:04 PM
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13. Father Coughlin, the shit stirrer and Rush limbaugh of his time
he also called him friend of the Jews and other secret cabals, just saying.
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stevedeshazer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-11 10:06 PM
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16. Indeed. I wish more people would read up on him.
Rush Limbaugh had nothing on this guy.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-11 10:10 PM
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myrna minx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-11 10:05 PM
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14. What are you implying? n/t
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UTUSN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-11 10:09 PM
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19. See post #18. There's not much "implying" about it. n/t
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msongs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-11 10:09 PM
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20. since both had critics calling them tools of wall street, Obama = FDR? (insert laughter here) nt
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UTUSN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-11 10:13 PM
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23. The only equivalency I drew was 2 Democratic presidents being called similar names.
And that the name calling was by former supporters.
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Warren Stupidity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-11 11:10 PM
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33. Where is Obama's equivalent to Social Security?
LBJ was called a whole lot of names by the left, myself included, for his FUCKING DISASTER IN VIETNAM, but he pushed Medicare through congress, and the Civil Rights Act and the Voting Rights Act and a whole slew of INCREDIBLY PROGRESSIVE LEGISLATION that outshone even what FDR accomplished.

And Obama? oh well...
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Warren Stupidity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-11 10:49 PM
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26. Coughlin was an fascist anti-semite. Did you have a point?
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UTUSN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-11 10:55 PM
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29. See posts 18 & 23. Oh, and the O.P. for starters!1 Really, the O.P. says it all. n/t
Edited on Tue Aug-02-11 10:56 PM by UTUSN
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-11 11:00 PM
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killbotfactory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-11 10:51 PM
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27. He saved capitalism from the inevitable socialist/communist revolution!
no really, some people really believe this.
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readmoreoften Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-11 10:53 PM
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28. This is hands down the dumbest thread in DU history. Congratulations.
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Pholus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-11 11:25 PM
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34. Why is this relevant again? Even the far righties like Hitler said that.
Edited on Tue Aug-02-11 11:28 PM by Pholus
Considering the low reputation of bankers/Wall Street after the depression, it was an easy slur from right OR left.

Ironic that in your example the "Good" Father seems to have gotten worked up as Social Security left campaign rhetoric and became reality. Your article implies he was well off the FDR boat by 1935, when the original Social Security act was passed, the WPA was instituted, unions were strengthened and workers rights were being considered.

So the more Roosevelt embraced modern liberal ideals, the angrier Coughlin got.

Kind of the reverse of the current voiced anger from the left.
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-03-11 01:09 AM
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37. FDR sponsored programs that employed people.
Edited on Wed Aug-03-11 01:13 AM by JDPriestly
Obama has stopped doing that.

The economy is not turning around because Obama's stimulus was half-hearted.

And now his austerity program will slow the economy even more.

FDR investigated the Wall Street crooks. Obama has not done that.

FDR's campaign was not financed by Wall Street. Obama's was and, if he runs again, will.
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Starry Messenger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-03-11 01:11 AM
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38. Well, Fr. Coughlin was a fucking loony & fascist bigot.
I thought that was pretty widely known.
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-03-11 01:26 AM
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41. I wonder what David Duke and Anita Bryant think of FDR?
I don't get it.
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Gormy Cuss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-03-11 09:08 AM
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49. and therefore anyone who disagrees with Obama's stance is one too.
It's obvious.
:rofl:
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-03-11 01:12 AM
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39. So you prop up a historical anti-Semite to denigrate FDR?
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myrna minx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-03-11 01:25 AM
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40. This implies that anyone who questions the actions of the current
Edited on Wed Aug-03-11 01:32 AM by myrna minx
President and contrasts his actions with FDR is on par with this historical anti-semite and that reaches a new low for intellectual laziness on DU.

I guess many Presidential advisers watched Carnival this week thus the wide spread desperate meme.
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-03-11 01:34 AM
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42. .
Edited on Wed Aug-03-11 01:35 AM by Bluebear
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-03-11 01:34 AM
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43. I see
I'm mortified but I see.
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myrna minx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-03-11 01:48 AM
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44. It's a dark and desperate snipe, my friend. They tried to
destroy the FDR legacy but now it's all about destroying current critics by association. It's crass, desperate and dishonest.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-03-11 07:02 AM
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46. But Ronald Reagan wasn't.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-03-11 07:06 AM
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47. weak
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