Change the name of this website

[oldlib]

to "Democracy Underground." We no longer have a Democratic party that we can trust or support. This is a sorry day for this country.

[brooklynite]

1. Better still, why don't you CREATE a "Democrary Underground" website...

...and allow those of us who still believe in the Democratic Party to stay here and work to improve the Party, rather than throw up our hands and surrender?

[Name removed]

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[oldlib]

8. I am a solid Democrat

in the historical tradition of the party. The present leaders in the party are the ones we should question. You appear to be a shallow Democrat since you object to thoughtful opinions.

[tridim]

21. You just don't support our party. Check.

:eyes:

[TreasonousBastard]

23. Which historical tradition-- "states rights" from yellow dog segregationists or...

inner-city machines?

I grew up with Tammany Hall running things, and I prefer the messy Democratic Party of today to those days.

[CleanGreenFuture]

10. What right do you have to say that about anybody? Don't talk to people like that!

[tridim]

20. The OP said "WE no longer trust or support Democrats"

He doesn't speak for me, so I responded.

I have the right to say whatever I want to say about the OP.

[FBaggins]

You are presumably busy posting the same thing to the OP? n/t

[joeybee12]

11. You can still be a Democrat wihtout idol worship...nt

[nadinbrzezinski]

30. I always love the responses, he probably is not your kind of democrat

but what can I say?

[tridim]

31. He said he doesn't support the Democratic Party.

I alerted, but it won't matter.

I am forced to respond.

[malaise]

39. +1,000 n/t

[WilliamPitt]

41. Fail.

[RC]

3. Sounds good.

We have a motion to change the name of "Democratic Underground" to "Democracy Underground". do I have a second.

[socialist_n_TN]

4. That would probably be in keeping with the

majority of people on here. I mean this isn't an "official" Democratic Party web site after all. I'll second it.

And before anybody whines about "not being a Democrat" depending on your age, I've probably voted for more Democratic candidates than ALMOST anybody on here. I've NEVER voted for a Republican, not even when Reagan was running.

[FBaggins]

9. "Not even" when Reagan was running?

So you're saying that if you were going to vote for a republican... Reagan would have been the most likely?

[fascisthunter]

17. twist what he says to marginalize the whole post

try being honest... if you dislike what was stated, debate... if you need to use sophistry, you already lost.

[FBaggins]

27. If you truly believed the last clause in your post... you couldn't have typed that subject line.

I merely found his implication interesting.

There are "democrats" who only ever voted "R" once and it was for Reagan... but not usually the ones who think that existing democrats have shifted too far too the right.

[Name removed]

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[FBaggins]

47. Lol! Misrepresent and name-call to marginalize the whole post?

What a shocker. :rofl:

try being honest... if you dislike what was stated, debate... if you need to use sophistry, you already lost.

[socialist_n_TN]

32. Nope, but a HELL of a lot of Dems apparently voted

FOR Ronnie. Other than me. Remember all of those "Reagan Democrats" that the MSM fawned over? Their HEEEERE! Nowdays they're called "Third Way" or "New Democrats" or better yet, Centrists.

[fascisthunter]

46. I call them BS artists

they can call themselves whatever the hell they want, but they are full-o-shit and conservative.

[CleanGreenFuture]

14. I've been voting since 1982 and have never voted for anyone other

than a Democrat.

[oldlib]

36. I have voted for a Republican.

In the sixties the SF Bay Area had a Republican U.S. Senator named Tom Kuchel. Tom was a moderate Republican that, the Democrats in the area could, and did, support. He could have spent a lifetime in that position, except that the GOOP kicked him out in their primary of 1968.

[MilesColtrane]

48. Pssst....!

DemocraticUnderground isn't a democracy.

I thought everyone knew that.

[SidDithers]

5. Greener pastures await...

Don't let us stop you from finding them.

Sid

[uppityperson]

6. When HAVE we had any political party we can trust?

[Tuesday Afternoon]

15. not since I have been old enough to vote. n/t

[uppityperson]

24. Seriously, me either. 1 of the defining moments of becoming an adult is realizing

that politicians play politics. All of them. Some more than others, but all of them. And realizing that no party is trustworthy since, after all, politics IS the name of the game.

Also accepting that your parents probably had sex more than the one time necessary to make you. That's another defining point.

[FSogol]

7. How about "Chicken Little Underground" or "Poutrage Underground?"

:shrug:

[Tuesday Afternoon]

16. PU ??

:rofl:

[Maru Kitteh]

42. + a brazillion. n/t

[Bluebear]

52. typical

[Maru Kitteh]

53. of you

[Bluebear]

56. f you too

[Bluebear]

57. Oops of

[Whisp]

62. oops you too

[VeryConfused]

38. Either one works

[fascisthunter]

58. you could go elsewhere if most of DU bothers you

you are to the right of most people here and nobody takes you serious.

[fascisthunter]

12. you are correct...

it's being run by a cult of losers who work for the wealthy and rich. This small yet effective leadership has done everything in their power to change the Party and so far they have been successful. Notice how their views are only parroted by those in the minority here?

[dawg]

13. I'm a Democrat.

That doesn't mean I'm happy with every politician who has a (D) by their name, but the Democratic Party is the only game in town for those of us who are to the left of Mussolini.

[FSogol]

18. +1. n/t

[RC]

22. The game seems to be Three Card Monte.

[kentuck]

19. "Don't follow leaders..."

Watch the parking meters."

[ecstatic]

25. This type of bullshit is what kept many people home last year

I guess you guys are ramping up again to depress turn out in 2012. Tea party control! Yay! :eyes:

[sabrina 1]

49. That's the talking point, really? That Progressives stayed home

in 2010? The facts say otherwise, and actually so does the Dem Leadership. They take the base for granted, and apparently they were right. Independents stayed home and that is the Leadership is worried will happen again.

Too bad the Leadership did not listen to Progressives who tried to warn them that if they continued to cave to Republicans they would have problems in the election.

Blaming voters for the failings of politicians is NOT a good strategy, and I and many others blame those who refused to listen to the concerns of voters thinking that the American people generally care more about party loyalty than their own interests.

It's been stunning to see the 'tactics' used by people who claim to know so much more about politics than the rest of us. They DROVE Independents away.

I suggest you try to convince people that the party WILL be working for them, rather than scream at them for excercising their right to vote for the candidates they believe best represent their interests.

I blame the bullies who essentially demand votes from the American people for the loss of the last election and for foisting the teabaggers on the rest of us.

[ecstatic]

50. Sorry, but I will continue to blame people who stayed home, people

who discouraged voter turnout, and people who voted for teabaggers.

Anyone who can look at what's happened in Wisconsin, Michigan, and across the US with all the anti-choice and anti-immigrant bills and still think it's OK not to vote because "both parties are the same" is a either a republican or an idiot and should be called out as such.

[sabrina 1]

51. Then blame Independents and for that you have to blame politicians

who betrayed them. Because it was Independents who stayed home and polls all show they may do it again next time. Voters do not owe their votes to anyone. Politicians have to earn them. When they promise one thing and do another, they lose the voters. That is reality.

So you can waste your time playing the blame game with voters while letting politicians off the hook and it won't do a thing to get a single vote for a bad politician.

Otoh, the Dem Party can learn from what happened and fix the problem before it's too late. If they do not, eg, if they put Dinos on the Super Commission and the New Deal Programs are attacked, it will be too late. And this time they WILL lose progressives, if that happens.

It's very simple, keep your promises, fight for the people who elected you and the will enthusiastically come out and vote for you again.

If we end up with a Republican takeover I know who I will blame and so will many others. We warned them before the 2010 election and they had a warning when they lost Ted Kennedy's seat, but they ignored it and us.

We'll see but Nancy Pelosi admitted that by voting for bills that were the opposite of what the public wanted just to show loyalty to the WH, they put themselves in political jeopardy. So maybe you don't blame them, but they know what they did and why they lost.

[WI_DEM]

26. Why can't we be Democratic Underground? what is wrong with criticing fellow democrats

if we feel they aren't supporting democratic principals? However, I do agree we shouldn't advocate supporting non-Democrats and if President Obama is renominated (as is likely) we shouldn't advocate his defeat.

[alfredo]

28. Quit taking negotiation posturing seriously. We won't know the details

Because Obama wasn't going to do anything to jeopardize the debt ceiling vote.

Obama is playing the long game. He understands that the tea party will be with us until the 2012 elections. He has to limit the damage, and expose them as the anti government insurgents they are. They have to be exposed. Obama needs to give them just enough rope so they can hang themselves. There is no way to keep them from making a mess. All we can do is limit the damage, and use their games against them in 2012.

[NorthCarolina]

29. How about "To The Right of Regan Underground"? nt

[GreenPartyVoter]

33. LOL That's a bit wordy, isn't it?

[NorthCarolina]

34. Yeah, maybe just "DLC Underground"....same thing but much shorter. nt

[MineralMan]

35. The owner and admins of this site would be the ones to

decide that. It's their site. There is an Ask the Administrators forum. Perhaps you can raise your question there. I doubt very much that they'll be interested.

On the other hand, you can start your own forum, with whatever name you wish, quite easily. Making it as active as DU? Not so easy. In fact, very, very difficult.

It's easy to criticize someone else's efforts. It's a lot more difficult to run a site like this one. Try it and you'll see.

[Renew Deal]

37. So dramatic

[ZombieHorde]

40. If there is going to be a name change, I would rather see Kick Ass Underground. nt

[fadedrose]

43. It's ALL of our lawmakers, both parties...

But they have one thing in common besides greed, they all like to blame the President. What's a nice guy like him doing with these hypocrites?

[Dappleganger]

44. It should be called the Democratic Democratic Underground Forum.

We have gone underground from our own party!

[ProfessorGAC]

54. A Solid Candidate For Worst Thread Ever

A pointless OP, just meant to traul for compliments from other rebels without a cause.
GAC

[BumRushDaShow]

55. Change it to PUMA Underground. n/t

[bluestate10]

59. Go to Firedog Lake. You will find plenty more that insist their way is the only way. nt

[Odin2005]

60. I will never vote for a ConservaDem again, EVER. I will only vote for REAL DEMS.

[cherokeeprogressive]

61. How about "Democracy Six Feet Under"?