You know what its really sad about this debt ceiling debate?

[jillan]

The Democrats are in control of 2/3 of the Legislative Process of Government.


And we still couldn't and wouldn't control the message :crazy:

[Blecht]

1. Couldn't?

Or wouldn't?

[jillan]

2. Yep - going to edit my OP right now.

[valerief]

3. I think wouldn't is correct. nt

[Blecht]

8. It is difficult to get a message out through the corporate media

Not many people get to hear Peter Defazio talk, for example.

However, it's possible if you're the President of the United States. The media show your speeches. You do not have to parrot right-wing talking points when you're at the podium.

[DJ13]

4. If one side truly believed in their message it becomes part of the debate

But....... if that same side actually believes in the message from the other side they'll stay quiet.

This entire phony crisis shows which message "our" side truly believes in.

[Kolesar]

6. Speak for yourself, DJ13 eom

[DJ13]

9. Did I say I was speaking for anyone else?

You might want to get that burr removed from your butt before it gets infected.

[Kolesar]

19. "our" side

burr butt

[DJ13]

20. Well obviously not "your" side

Corporate tools have no side.

[Kolesar]

24. Corporate tools

Really, Deej? Is that the best you have?

Maybe there's a pickup basketball game or some show on MTV you could be enjoying right now. Go have some fun. Clear your head

[DJ13]

25. You must be happy the way things are going

[Kolesar]

5. 1/2 eom

[Blue-Jay]

7. Someone either need a civics or a math lesson...

Do you need some help?

[Blecht]

10. Really nice snide comment there

It's obvious what she meant.

[Blue-Jay]

21. Yeah? What did she mean by this:

"The Democrats are in control of 2/3 of the Legislative Process of Government."

WTF is that supposed to mean?

The Democrats are a significant minority in the House, and BARELY a majority in the Senate. How does that equal 2/3? Is that new math?

What's the "obvious" meaning? Please, do go on.

[jillan]

29. Excuse the fuck out of me for making a typo.

[Blue-Jay]

30. What was the "typo"?

Did you mean that less than 1/2 of the legislature is controlled by the Democrats?

[WillowTree]

18. What's your problem?

The Senate, the House of Commons and the House of Lords makes three last time I looked.

Oh wait..........

[Blue-Jay]

23. I didn't take into account the High Chancellor of Awesomeness.

[Cool Logic]

11. "And we still couldn't and wouldn't control the message"

The time to have controlled the message was this past November...not yesterday.

[babylonsister]

12. Oye. Are you series? nt

[tnlefty]

13. That it never should have happened? My recovering republican

mother stated that same thing.

[napi21]

14. The problam, as usual, is that in the Senate, any ONE Senator can stop legislation..

The biggest problem right now is that the Pubs have fallen for the threat of the TPers. That relatively small group of nutballs have threatened the other Pubs with primarying them if they didn't go along with the TB agenda and at least for now, most of them are going along.

I'm waiting to see if they continue to threaten Boner for his agreement on the debt ceiling.

[KoKo]

15. Interesting observation...and does raise questions that need to be

"asked and answered." But, they won't be....still we need to think about this. Or, at least this DU'er is thinking about it. K&R

[Ready4Change]

16. It's the fault of the all powerful Librul Media.

Oh, wait...

[Little Star]

17. I think that they controlled the message just fine!!! and

they accomplished exactly what they wanted to. Nothing else makes any sense.

The leader led and the "New Dems" followed just as was planned. There are now more "New Dems" than there are "democratic policy Dems".

Makes me sick but our party no longer stands for what it use to stand for. Our party is now Republican lite imho.

[Donnachaidh]

22. leadership has been sorely lacking in this party for almost 3 years

Despite all the sound bites about *I got this* going around.

[unkachuck]

26. I think we could better understand....

....this confusing phenomena if DU had an Apology Forum....

....whenever Dem politics became illogical or disjointed we could click on the Apology Forum and the Party apologists and sympathizers could explain the contradictory events to rest of us....

[Major Hogwash]

27. It's because teachers should not join unions because unions lead to higher unemployment

If you think about it like a Tea Party person, it's the unions that caused the financial crisis that we are in today to begin with.

Union carpenters, union plumbers, and union electricians caused the houses to cost more to build, causing the housing crisis all by themselves, which lead to the financial crisis that almost brought down the totally innocent banking system, which is why they have to scuttle Social Security now.
To pay for the bonuses the bankers deserve for doing all of that hard work.

It's all the fault of 1 union teacher!!

[spanone]

28. what's really sad to me is that it didn't have to happen at all.

when the President was negotiating the bu$h* tax cuts he should have made raising the debt ceiling a part of the deal as many said.

he was naive in thinking that the republicons would 'do the right thing'....imho