When this debt diversion is over can we get back to jailing the Murdochs.?

[pwb]

Also can we have our board back from you whining trolls. I have never seen so many here base their thinking on opinion editorials and talking heads blather.

We here are usually the people of heavy thinkers who wait and base our opinions on the facts. Over the last couple of weeks i could not believe this was the same site.

Myself I stopped watching any cable news over a year ago, including MSNBC, all they do lately is stir up stories to make money off their adds. They even stir up false stories about politics just to make money.

My news comes from PBS, Sometimes the broadcast news, and here on the computer, and I have been much happier since.

So now that Murdoch has diverted our attention can we get back to taking down this root of all evil in the world?. PEACE is near.

[Leopolds Ghost]

1. You seem to be calling out... just about everyone on the net, I guess.

Yeah, only whining trolls could possibly be interested in anything other than classic blogosphere shibboleth like the evils of Rupert Murdoch. As if people who get all their news from MSM or PBS for that matter can do anything about it... it's not like some of us weren't laughed at here on DU when we pointed out the evils of warrantless wiretapping and how the Dems were supporting it because they didn't want to be wiretapped themselves! Whereas the planned cuts to New Deal programs haven't happened yet and the Deal on the table hasn't been passed yet, thank God.

[pwb]

2. You fit the mold.

[Leopolds Ghost]

3. I see. The mold of people who care more about the future of social service programs than Murdoch n/t

[marions ghost]

7. You do NOT get the connection?...

Between the future of social service programs and Rupert Murdoch ???

:wow: Look at Murdoch & co. more closely.

[Leopolds Ghost]

11. I don't think you realize how our mass media works. All this happened in the 80s-90s.

Five Corporations bought up most of the MSM. Clinton's Telecom act sealed the fate of free press in this country. There is no more free press and Obama's white house doesn't even want to preserve newspapers or broadcast television as a separate viable medium.

[marions ghost]

14. Mass media follower since the early 90's

I saw it all & I know the historic trust in the press has been broken. The crescendo of media collusion (the obvious blackouts) we saw during Bush was certainly the kiss of death if not before. But how much of our trust even before that was an illusion? The press has always been a vehicle for propaganda, some more or less, depending on the sense of integrity--ie. a tone set by the publishers, translated through their chief editors. News Corp exemplifies all that is wrong with that system when there is no integrity, no scruples at the top. I think we can agree on that. But it's not a matter of what Obama has or hasn't done with it. The problem is the loss of integrity and trust, and the hijacking of the country by corrupt exploiters. I'm not sure you can legislate your way out of that black hole in a hurry.

So what are we pigs at the trough left with? These days you have to check 5 news sources before you really know what's going on. Most people don't have that kind of time and need a filter. So now we have our selective filters instead of a "one size fits all" press. I can't even talk about it in those quaint "The Press" terms. It is now many pipelines, many versions of the truth. Thank god we now have some opinionated voices in the media for progressives--Maddow, Olbermann, ODonnell, Hartmann, Goodman...etc and the online sources. As much as I hate Fox, I do understand why a certain element of the country clings to it just to begin to make some sense of the complexity of it all. Unfortunately Murdoch tapped into the audience at just the right time and gained much headway for his right wing political agenda.

Don't make it all about Obama. There are other forces at work and we cannot go backward to a "better" time. What I appreciate about this time is that the raw opinions of the people are directly accessible through message boards and blogs, call-ins, etc. We are netwroking and connecting as never before when the media was so passive.

Yes I see Murdoch as huge in bringing us the world we have today. Huge.

[Leopolds Ghost]

17. I first noticed it in how Newsweek & Washington Post articles began to be redacted in early 90s.

But the point is, I don't even see Murdoch's empire being challenged here in the US, since the government itself is defending the right of telecoms (which are also media giants) to wiretap their customers on behalf of the government. I think Fox is untouchable here on these shores because the US was already made aware (through MSM filter) of corporate spying and chose to laugh at it or ignore it as only happening to people who were the subject of scandal or criminality.

[marions ghost]

18. Agree

it's going to be much harder to get around the entrenched & protected collusion here, if it can be done at all.

[Skidmore]

10. The future of those social services depends on ridding the system

of the likes of Murdoch and the Koch brothers and their influence buying effects on policy. You can't have one without the other.

[Demit]

4. Which is the diversion, according to you? The 'debt diversion' or Murdoch diverting attention?

Perhaps you, as a much clearer thinker than all of us whining trolls, have a clear idea in your head what you are actually saying?

[marions ghost]

8. And what you are saying

is "nothing to see here, keep moving."

The Debt Diversion, a made for TV series brought to you by Fox. You can't separate the two "diversions." The Murdock MO has now been exposed. News Corp is neck deep in right wing doo-doo in this country as well.

Like aspens, it's all connected at the roots...

[Leopolds Ghost]

12. So you are saying that Obama's plan to create a debt commission with emergency powers is a mere ruse

To benefit Rupert Murdoch?

[marions ghost]

15. No nothing so literal or obvious

I am saying that you need to understand the influence of Murdoch & co. as a vital arm of the Koch government. You seem to want to downplay the importance of the Murdoch story, calling it some kind of "distraction." I am saying, the Murdoch story & how it plays out is critical to the future of this country, critical to everything I know you and I believe in.

[Leopolds Ghost]

16. You misunderstand, I don't view either one as a distraction. Both are incredibly important

Unfortunately, please don't underestimate the degree to which the other 4-6 corporations have taken over the US media, and share Murdoch's agenda. We're another Venezuela in that regard.

[Demit]

20. And what you are doing is putting words in my mouth.

The OP, in addition to flame-baiting all the supposed trolls on this board, made a conflicting couple of statements. I'm asking him or her to clarify. But it appears he or she was just a drive-by inflammatory poster, since he or she has not been back to his or her own thread.

Here, marions ghost, here's words from my own mouth: I don't call either the debt ceiling situation or the Murdoch revelations 'diversions', one to be thought of as more important or relevant than the other, as the OP seems to do. I call them both news events. If the OP's meaning was different, let him or her come back and ungarble his or her own post.

[KurtNYC]

5. Cable news loves stories that have very little development

because there is little research or journalism involved in them. Just wild guessing and irresponsible speculation. They got 5 months out of Sandra Levy because nothing happened in the investigation. The Debt deal is like 535 blind guys touching and describing an elephant. Few facts. Lots of scary rumors to keep both sides interested and outraged. But the distortions and agendas of our 24/7 infotainment media don't mean that the debt deal is not of the highest importance.

Cable news is really good for keeping one's blood pressure high but little else. I prefer coffee (and a variety of written sources for news). Cable news is entertainment programming -- a never-ending parade of outrage bait. Much of the internet is no better -- most of the titles of newsy YouTube vids are exaggerations or outright lies designed to get clicks. And many op-ed and bloggers play to hysteria with half truths.

The planets are aligning for the end of the Rupert Murdoch age. Perhaps the RW loses a big part of their echo chamber just before the 2012 elections. But a general improvement in the accuracy of media is no certainty.

[Leopolds Ghost]

6. Yeah, the future of US social safety net is infotainment for sure.

If you care so little about it, what do you think Murdoch cares about doing to you and your'n?

[KurtNYC]

9. Sarcasm is worthless

so I have no idea whether you really mean that "the future of US social safety net is infotainment" or not.

Sarcasm is the least efficient mode of communication because it tells the listener/reader only what you DO NOT believe to be true.

[Leopolds Ghost]

13. The premise of the OP seems to be that there is a moral majority of DUers who don't care about cuts

To entitlements or the future of the federal budget in terms of what is government even needed for, because fighting it out in British courts over our new lords and masters, the five media corporations that already own all the media, is far more important (in the sense that we may hopefully be down to four I guess, sort of like when rival corporations backed up Al Gore on the Microsoft antitrust effort that Obama and the Dems have failed to replicate against any other oligopoly here in the states, going so far as to proclaim antitrust efforts obsolete.)

[marions ghost]

19. To tell ya the truth

I can't figure out exactly what the OP is saying, except it's sarcastic.

OP seems to be trying to say "look the other way" about Murdoch. Pay attention to the budget fight.

I think DUers are capable of paying equal attention to both, esp since they're connected. :shrug:

I don't think u and I disagree.