Anyone else thing it's going to be the Boehner plan?

[vi5]

I just get this feeling that at the last minute the GOP will get enough votes for the Boehner plan (likely by pulling in some Blue Dogs), then it will go to the Senate and because they don't want to be the ones who said no and let the default happen when the ball was in their court and it will be presented in the media that they could have prevented it by passing the Boehner bill, they will vote to pass it. And because Obama doesn't want the default on his headeither, he'll sign the Boehner plan.

I think right now we're all going on the assumption that the Senate won't pass it and even if they did Obama would veto it. But that is predicated ont he idea that because as it looks now it's not going to pass the house so we can all assume that in the abstract.

Maybe it's just my normal cynicism and pessimism but I just know that 2 things lead me to believe this 1) Democrats always go along to get along for what they perceive is the good of the country, even when that involves choosing the lesser of 2 evils (the Boehner plan over default) and 2) They are more concerned about the optics and the narrative than they are anything else. So it will be in their heads that this would be portrayed in the media that "The GOP voted to avoid default but Democrats/Obama refused!!!!

[no_hypocrisy]

1. I don't think the Senate will pass Boehner's bill.

[vi5]

3. So you think...

That if this bill gets to the Senate on Monday, and their choices are either pass this bad bill or let the default happen and send the economy into a tailspin that they will choose default? Or I should say that do you think that they won't be able to scare enough of the more conservative democrats to get the votes they need?

I'd like to think they were that disciplined, but I just don't think so.

Maybe I'm wrong. It's just a gut feeling anyway.

[no_hypocrisy]

7. No, the Senate won't vote to organically change this country by voting

for permanent wealth redistribution in order to avoid default.

If the conditions attached to Boehner's bill was to convert this country from a constitutional republic into a theocracy, the Senate would not vote for it to prevent economic chaos.

IMO, once the Senate votes against Boehner's bill, the ball is back in the court of the House. If the House wants a bill to pass in the Senate, then the Senate should be consulted as far as what it would accept.

On edit: here you go
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=433x724515

[trumad]

2. DOA in the Senate.

[Maru Kitteh]

4. No, it wont.

[ladyfutura]

5. In My Opinion

It's always the Democrats have a plan, the Republicans refuse, the Democrats compromise, but the outcome is something nobody likes. The Republicans then blame the Democrats and Obama, even though they ruined it in the first place.

[JAnthony]

6. NO! Stupid doesn't sell in the Dem Senate.

And his bill in the House is going to have a difficult time to get 218 !

Great analysis on Boehner, the House, and his bill.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26315908/vp/43920290#43920405

[OHdem10]

8. Yes, but Reid and Boehner will fiddle around the edges to

give Democrats cover.

When Reid caved and did not put taxes in his plan,
the Republicans had won.

We do not have a Democratic Party. We just try
to make Republican Policies a little more bearable.

When we have a full fledged Banana Republic the Democrats
on the Hill will have enabled the Republicans in taking
this country down.

[alcibiades_mystery]

9. Harry Reid made a rather massive public show of saying it's dead

I just don't see how he goes on teevee with Durbin, Schumer, Murray and others and says Not one Democratic Senator will vote for this, then turns that around into a vote.

There was one troubling development last yesterday that may prove you right, however: Mikulski was on MSNBC and when asked about the Boehner plan, didn't quelch it outright, but said something about significant amendments. That worried me. But I really don't see how Reid walks back his clear declarations, honestly.

[Lone_Star_Dem]

10. No way, no how.

It's DOA. There are not enough GOP willing to tie their careers to that albatross, let alone Dems in the Senate. It's dead, Jim.

[OHdem10]

11. Reid and Boehner wil "fix it".

[Liberalynn]

12. That's what a guest on Keith said last night.

That if the Boner plan makes it through the house, and Reid's plan passes the Senate somehow it will end up a reconciled bill which is a mix of the two plans. As in his words he said they have a lot of common ground.

YUCK!

All I can wish for at this point is SS and Medicare stay off the table with no binding commissions and that it lasts until next year, but I am not holding my breath.

I liked Lawrence O'Donnell's suggestion better that they just go back to a clean debt ceiling bill with a promise to argue out the deficit stuff later. But since they all ready rejected that plan once, I think he is dreaming.

The only thing positive I can see in this whole mess right now, is it highlighted the schisms and the utter craziness of the loon bat TP. On the other hand, IMHO, the majority of the U.S. public has very short memories and will forget all this by election time next year, and part of the percentage that remains is just as dense and loony as the TP's themselves.

[Lone_Star_Dem]

13. Boehner's current proposal? No, they won't.

Nothing they come up with which could pass with the Teabaggers in the House will pass the Senate. The fact remains if the GOP cannot get their Teabaggers under control, America is going to be screwed and so are all the politicians who let this happen. Boehner is quite possibly the worst Speaker of the House ever.

[alcibiades_mystery]

14. Boehner had to "fix it" rightward for his lunatic fringe

There's no amendments the Dems could add that would be acceptable to the GOP House. It's dead as dead can be.

[damntexdem]

15. I don't think it will be any plan.

Not unless it's the Amendment-14 Plan.

[AlinPA]

16. Your last sentence is correct. It's all about message now and the GOP with media help will

place all the blame on the President and the rest of the Democrats.

[RT Atlanta]

18. I agree with your assessment

and the last sentence. For those reasons, it could be Boner's plan that get's passed.

Wouldnt this mean the country is strapped over the barrel again in 6 mos?

[bullwinkle428]

17. Rep. Peter Welch (D-VT) just said that there could be a hybrid version

of the Reid and Boner bills cobbled together through reconciliation (in an interview on Stephanie Miller's show), so the "dead in the water" comments may be a bit premature.