Outsourcing America - List of American Corporations

[otohara]

who've sent our jobs overseas.
Gawd, almighty no wonder we're in such dire straits.

Who isn't on this list?

http://www.cnn.com/CNN/Programs/lou.dobbs.tonight/popups/exporting.america/content.html

[RKP5637]

1. Link's broken ... Update - working now. n/t

[FreakinDJ]

2. Sadly - encouraged by US Tax Code

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=114x88850

[RKP5637]

7. The supposed fixes are always cosmetic and theatrics for the masses, but never

substantive enough to eradicate the underlying cancer to job creation. We really need to rename the US to Bullshit Nation.

[FreakinDJ]

10. The more I read Clinton's Territorial Tax isn't any better

and now Norquist is promoting it as a means to further reduce Corporate Taxes.

I'm beginning to see a lot of logic in the EU approach of VAT, which Bill Clinton was promoting before he left office. A hybrid Territorial Corp Vat Tax designed at levels consistent with the current effective tax rate of 25% and closes the loopholes that promote outsourcing American Jobs

[RKP5637]

13. I would have no difficulty with a VAT if it closed the loopholes. n/t

[FreakinDJ]

15. It would have to treat "Point of Exit and Point of Entry" as 1 transaction

regardless of how many "paper corporations" traded the asset.

Declared value when it left China vs: Declared value when it entered America. Then merely tax the added value of the asset.

That alone would diminish the ability of Hedge Fund managers or countries from manipulating prices

[RKP5637]

17. Yep! n/t

[RKP5637]

3. This gets to my point I always harp on, job creation in the US is

a joke. A cruel hoax is being perpetuated on Americans thinking politicians are working to create jobs. Just what is it the masses do not understand.

[FreakinDJ]

6. both sides are passing legislation to outsource jobs

[RKP5637]

8. IMO anymore it's a losing battle in the US. I'm ready for a new side, but haven't

found it ...

[FreakinDJ]

14. a short term solution

would be the formation of a Labor voting block much like AARP

I sure if a viable group was formed with a little persuasion AFL-CIO, and many Labor Unions would contribute some start up funding. But to be effective it would have to represent ALL Working Class Americans regardless of Union Affiliation.

Some thing like "Job Insurance" - just thinking out loud

[RKP5637]

16. I think there would be a lot of people interested in a "Labor voting block." At one

time I thought we had that with the democratic party, but that notion seems to have defused. Yes, definitely, "But to be effective it would have to represent ALL Working Class Americans regardless of Union Affiliation."

[FreakinDJ]

19. Start off with becoming the "Go To Place for Unlawful Terminations"

and yes AFL-CIO would be highly supportive of that. They tested the concept with a website named "PurpleRain" but it wasn't conceived very well at all. The local Unions should first pool funding together and advertise locally for "Wrongful Termination Representation" with google adds and yellow pages advertising. Way Too Much of that going on right now.

To access the site, or services they would immediately be enrolled in mailing list, and voter registration where applicable.

[RKP5637]

20. That, is exactly what is needed, a common rally point, such as, "Wrongful Termination

Representation." It would become the 'glue' that holds the effort together and allows it to grow/morph.

[FreakinDJ]

21. also provides a means to educate about State/Federal Work Laws

which if you ever have witnessed it - Americans have a shameful Lack of Knowledge about Work Laws

When Pete Wilson tried to enact legislation to wipe out California's 8 Hour Mandatory 1 1/2 Overtime pay, most workers in California didn't even know the law existed. Education would go a very long way and Local Unions would benefit greatly from the effort too. I could also envision the group eventually offering "UnEmployment" insurance much like AFLAC or any other major insurance companies do already.

I BIG Problem - they would have to grade legislators and legislative proposals regardless of political affiliation, and a lot of "Party Feelings" would get hurt

[RKP5637]

23. Interesting, as it would have the potential to cut across political affiliations because

of a common cause, and hence be a voting block without wedge issues involved. The educational aspect is interesting as I've often been surprised by how many do not realize what workers rights they do enjoy in this country were brought about by union efforts. What I see missing in this country is a common cause a majority can relate to and really around, this could provide that ... and the organizing vehicle.

[one_voice]

4. Thanks for the link...

This is what people should be protesting...STOP sending our jobs away...

I posted the link on facebook.

[Tippy]

5. They want outsource...SO BE IT..... But we don't have to buy it.....

If we could target some companies and just quit buying from them, and if enough partcipate it might help....At least I know I would feel better, knowing they aren't getting my money.....

[RKP5637]

11. That would help, but too many Americans are too apathetic to seriously

participate IMO. Maybe when the real unemployment hits about 40% they will wake up.

[LWolf]

22. I don't buy much.

Not a conspicuous consumer. I buy work clothes when they become too worn to look professional; strictly utilitarian and minimal. I continue to wear the worn clothing until they are no longer appropriate for public, and then continue to wear it for chores, outside and in, until it becomes so thin it shreds.

I buy gas, pay to maintain my vehicle, pay utilities, for food, and for pet/livestock care and feeding. I pay to maintain my home if there is anything left over. I went to 4 movies in the last 12 months, and have not been away from home for any other recreational purposes outside of a few visits to the park.

I'm not a conspicuous consumer.

I was thinking about this the other day, after giving my dog a treat. You see, I'd bought a bag of chicken jerky for her. The bag had an American Flag on the front of the package, so I assumed it was made in America.

Until I read the fine print, when getting out to give her a treat some days later. Made in China.

I felt betrayed, and then noted that I would read the fine print FIRST next time. So, the subject has been on my mind. I started looking, while I was doing the dishes, and was shocked to note that every dish I washed said "Made in China." I just hadn't thought about it. I didn't buy them at Wal Mart. Most are 20 - 20 years old.

I'm not a conspicuous consumer, but I'm going to be a conspicuous label-checker from here on out.

[DefenseLawyer]

9. Can't blame them

With our trade and tax policies we have created the structure where, in the short term (which is all corporate executives ultimately care about) that is the most profitable thing to do. That's the problem with capitalism. If given the choice of 30% profits for 10 years followed by probable bankruptcy vs. 5% profit for a hundred years, management will always take the money now. Even though anyone can see that when wages get lower and lower they get to a point where the consumer economy breaks down, each corporation will still look at labor as just another cost that should be as low as possible to maximize profit this quarter.

[RKP5637]

12. +1, n/t

[white_wolf]

18. I got into an arguemtn with a RWer about this.

I said this:"Meanwhile the vaunted "job creators" are busy creating jobs in China, because we sign free trade agreements with them." Here is his response: wrongo again. it's because they don't have to pay UNSKILLED chinese workers $10-$15 an hour to do a job a chimpanzee could learn.

[tilsammans]

24. K & R!!! And tweeted! n/t